left hand overheads?
Submitted by silly on Mon, 2011-03-07 22:30
Thinking i might buy myself a new overhead before heading up to exmouth. Currently using a 114 senator but will be doing a bit of trolling so looking for something with lever drag. Are there any left hand overhead reels which have lever drags? Something like a tyrnos 30/50 would be ideal in terms of price and size. Does anything like that exist?
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spanishmackeral
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Not sure if they make any
Not sure if they make any that big, any reason on the left hand wind?
spanishmackeral
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Not sure if they make any
Not sure if they make any that big, any reason on the left hand wind?
Leemo
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he is left handed? just a
he is left handed? just a thought.
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ahhahaahah great call
was thinking the exact same thing
winner winner chicken dinner
Andy Mac
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Lefties
I use an Okuma Soltera for bottom bouncing and a penn 320i with the level wind removed for trolling (both LHW). The soltera has a lever drag but the 320 is a star.
Avets make lever drag lefties I think.
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grantarctic1
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Left handed too
I am left handed too and have had a hard time finding larger o/h reels.
Years ago i had a Penn 45 GLI converted at a small cost .
There are a few brands that can be converted to left handed.
crasny1
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Correct me cause I might be wrong
But IMO what leemo said up there is wrong. The totally correct way to fish is to use your best and strongest arm on the rod. Me being a lefty means that I hold the broom in the left hand and wind right.
The true way for a right handed fisho (and you see this with some TV fishos) is to hold R and wind L.
Am I just totally confused, because this is what I do fly fishing, and I see heaps of flyers using right arm casting, then changing to R arm reeling! I cast L and reel right.
Neels
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cuthbad
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each to otheir own
Dont think there is a "totally correct way" to fish mate. While I can see the benefit of having the stonger arm on the rod, I can also see the benefit in having the dominant hand on the reel to coordinate faster reeling. I know when fighting a big fish I generally have both hands on the rod when dropping the knees and raising the rod, then the left elbow stays straight while the right hand moves to the reel and retrieves line when ther rod goes back down. I reckon this is how a lot of right handers will use big overhead reels in Aus?
crasny1
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I agree with you Cuthbad
Most people fish RHW because that is how they were taught, and it is also the easiest to get reels etc. And I am not saying that I happen to do it correctly, I was just given a RHW reel when I was 5 and off I went.
It just latter that I realised that because I was a lefty I was actually doing things correctly (text book wise), but even if I was the wrong way (now this is starting to sound convoluted) around I wouldnt change.
That pump and wind is also what I do on big fish as there is not enough power in one stick often. All I was saying was that Leemo stated "because he left maybe" is not technically correct, because he could be a righty fishing "correct", ie LHW.
neels
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cuthbad
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gotcha, see what your
gotcha, see what your saying.
I noticed when I visited Canada that the locals generally fish left hand wind. I can certainly see the benefit in this for bass etc. Like I said I can also see the benefit of dominant hand on the reel for harder fighting "pump and wind" fish.
As you said the "correct" method, depends where you have learnt as there are benefits to both styles.
Cheers,
Adam
crasny1
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Cheers mate
In some wierd way was just trying to say that some righties wind left, some lefties Left and all sorts inbetween, so you cant say someones left handed from the way you wind.
Subsequently proved right as he is a RH winding LH.
As a after thought some of the blokes I have been on fishing trips with certainly get up to a fair amount off centre wind at night especially!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Neels
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hlokk
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Theres no "correct" way
Theres no "correct" way because it relies on picking one justification somewhat arbitrarily over another opposite justification. Its like saying power is more important in a F1 car than cornering ability.
Basically you can say holding the rod in your right hand is more important as your right hand is stronger, or you can say that holding the reel in the right hand is more important because your right hand is more dexterous (can wind more precisely and faster).
Unless you've been lacking a girlfriend for a while, your right arm is not going to be significantly stronger than your left arm. Very rarely will you ever be fighting a fish that is going to push your strength to the max (you'd have to be fishing 100lb+ line at max drag pressure unless you're a real weakling), so you'll never be holding more weight than your 'weak' arm can hold, so I think the "right arm stronger" argument is pretty much moot. Now, your right arm may have a bit more endurance at holding onto a rod. However, most of the time, your left arm can hold on for the entire fight, and if it takes longer chances are you're going to be swapping arms giving it a rest anyways. I doubt peoples endurance on both arms is much different.
So then it comes down to the much more significant difference between your arms which is your dexterity. Your weaker arm might be able to hold 80% of what your stronger arm does, but I guarantee most people cant write 80% as well with their non-writing hand can they ;). So its a huge difference in dexterity. Winding a reel uses your wrist for the most part, while holding a rod uses your whole arm . Your movements of your arm are much closer left to right than your hands which are hugely different in ability (so you can still move the rod effectively with your non-dominant arm). So having your right hand being able to be good at fiddly, fast, accurate things, it's more suited for winding a reel (either fast for pickup, accurate for twitching or strong for cranking). So, you could argue that the "correct" way is to actually wind with your right hand. It actually makes more sense when you look at it. I.e. if you have the option of arm/hand at 80/100 vs 100/10, which is better? ;) Perhaps theres a reason most game reels are right hand wind when most people are right handers ;)
Really though, the correct way is whatever you're most comfortable with. Although there might be a justification one way or the other, it'll naturally feel better for some people to wind one way or the other, and whichever way that is for you, that's the correct way, not some justification can than be cancelled out by another one ;)
As for fly fishing, I cast with my right and wind with my right. The better arm is doing the more demanding job at each stage. Its not actually that hard to switch over as the fish is running and it actually makes sense as it gives me a chance to fiddle with the drag as the fish is taking that run. Otherwise I need to preset the drag which I dont like (it shocks the line once you actually start pulling drag) or you need to cross your hands over or swap your hands over to adjust the drag. So its actually a better flow winding with the right for me.
I'd say barra fishing would be an exception to the above (or bass fishing in the US, which is why you see more leftie baitcasters there) as you want to wind straight away without switching hands or casting with your less dexterous arm.
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fark me have I read some grub
fark me have I read some grub dust. What a pillow biting novel you've written there.
cuthbad
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haha i thought it was worth
haha i thought it was worth it, made some good points....
have had this debate with some canadians where i fish the "wrong way" and good to have some fresh ammo!
the only thing I would dissagree with (to play devils advocate) is that you cant always hold the rod in one hand for the whole fight. Landbased with 13 foot plus rod, high drag for a long fight, 2 hands become a necessity.
anyway, getting kinda off topic but still interesting to think about i reckon
hlokk
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Good to see you enjoyed it
Good to see you enjoyed it enough to read all of it to make a comment Daz
All in all, its all a bit of bulldust from both sides really. You can come up with reasons for both sides and debate which one is more valid. At the end of the day, its just personal preference. Just thought I would give some reasonings for the other side for those who can be bothered reading. Make up your own mind, just dont delude yourself into thinking you have the "the only possible right way" ;)
allrounder
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You have way to much time on your hands man.
Which is your strongest arm popeye.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
silly
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Yep crasny you're correct.
Yep crasny you're correct. I'm right handed but wind with my left hand as it's the only way that makes sense to me. I cast/jig/strike etc using my right (dominant) hand on the rod and wind with my left. I dont see why more overheads aren't in Left hand wind as most japanese and U.S fisho's use left hand wind on spinning reels? I have no idea why more fisho's use their right hand to wind here??
Have seen many people switching hands when they cast, set the hooks and even pull out snags with right hand on the rods then switch to wind with their right..
I guess it could do with the way they were taught how to fish.. Lucky for me i was taught to use my left hand so never had to change.
Anyways
I've already got a 114H Penn Senator which has been converted to Left hand wind. Its star drag which can be a bit of a pain when trolling so thats why i'm after an overhead with lever drag.
I do remember that TLD's came in LHW but dont know if they still exist or not. Like the looks of the trynos tho, if only they came in L.H.W
Have heard about accurates and avet but a bit sceptical about them. Have had first hand experience with problems with accurate's. havent personally dealt with Avet's tho. What are they like quality wise??
crasny1
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Not yet an overhead expert, but if you have the doh
Why not look at an Alutecnos. I am certain the come in LHW and is the top off the pops (IMO even better than Tiagras, but now I open a can off worms)
see link, it shows a LHW
http://www.alutecnos.it/page.php?sid=4e0ffd0ad9f0df6a8a33ae8a1d74fed0&pageid=PROPG004
My father has 2 Albacores and loved them when he retired for yrs in Kalbarri, claimed they slayed and gave me his TLDs 15 and 25, aswell as a Tica which I dont like.
Hope that helps but I think they might be a little $$$$, but will last years if looked after.
Neels
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crasny1
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Silly mate
Found a site, and they arent as bad as I thought.
http://www.campbellsprotackle.com/store/product.asp?ID=1748
there you go. Good fishing.
Neels
Oopps not LD but I am sure they will be able to help
Here it is:
http://www.campbellsprotackle.com/store/product.asp?ID=1916
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Nelly
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Can understand Lhw for
Can understand Lhw for working lures/plastics if your constantly casting so you dont have to swap hands...I fish Rhw and Like it,If you can't hold the rod with your left hand take a multi and start lifting some heavy weights.....
carnarvonite
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Me
I am right handed, cast over the left shoulder and wind with the right hand, there by not having to change hands on the rod after casting. But if as some of you have commented when seeing pics of son Jeff [Deepwater] turning the rod over and winding an eggbeater or overhead backwards with his left hand because his right hand is getting tired.
But then again I'd give my left hand to be ambidexterious !!
A friend from Holland commented that left handed reels are the main sellers over there because of the use of the dominant hand to control the rod.
HuggyB
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sounds like a lot of very soft "men"
whining about dominant hands, are my panties bunching up, can I get this bait smell off my t-shirt etc.
So you are trolling? Wear a gimble with a harness, reel with whatever bloody hand you like and put a can of beer in the empty hand - problem fixed. In the old days they used to beat left handed people til they learned to be right handed - maybe thats what is wrong with society these days....
Silly, how much do you you want to spend? I know Alutechnos do a big L/H trolling reel, but you'd be looking at $1100 or so I think from memory. My mate has one and its a nice reel, but we all tease him for being a backward mollydooker.
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