My days at work playing with a welder
Submitted by Faulkner Family on Mon, 2010-09-13 20:35
I know its not fishing related but my boss asked me to do a bit of tacking on a project with the mig welder. when i told him i have never used one only watched, he told me to get some scrap and learn. So that is what i have done, not that good but i am getting there
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That fishing one is pretty
That fishing one is pretty good!
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dagree
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Not bad for a practise
Not bad for a practise session Russ.... Very arty!!!!
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hope to get my own mig
hope to get my own mig welder soon so i can start doing more of it now that i cant work full time.looking at one of those gasless ones, heard they are ok for light stuff but nothing too heavy
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dagree
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MIG Welder
Thinking about getting one for home also.... Definately looking at the gasless aswell. Great for around the home but as you said not for the heavy stuff.
Plus it saves having to buy the gas
. Getting our guys at work one each so might borrow one and see what they are like before getting it.
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David (AKA Grumps)
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let me know what they are
let me know what they are like. the bloke that does the welding at work got one and said they are good on the lightish stuff but he is going to get a better unit as he does more heavy stuff .would be good to get another point of view on them
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dagree
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Will do
Russ I have been advised to stay away from the no name brands that are sold at Bunnings and get a CIG or Lincoln brand. Supposed to be good up to 6mm thick steel so would do me for around the home.
Gasless splatter alot more requiring more cleanup.... Just depends on how much you are going to use it and what you want to spend. Gas MIGS can be used as gasless so another option could be borrow a gas one and try it both ways.
Cost of cylinder rental is about $40/year and $30 to refill from memory.
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fluxcore
mig stands for Metal Inert Gas, and was designed to be used with gas (any inert gas, but usually argon). using a gasless (fluxcore) mig is a waste of time, unless you are going to spend the $$$$$$$$$$ and get a good one, but if you are doing that, you may as well get a gas one anyway.
the smaller (140 amp) cigweld ones are ok for the home handyman (nontheless, for over a grand, you can buy a GOOD quality compact arc welder), but not as a fluxcore. getting a small cylinder of gas, will greatly improve the quality and ease of welding with these small machines, and cleanup and spatter is reduced by 95%.
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I sell them at work
u can get a good lincoln 180 mig for around a grand a lot of panel shops and mobile welders use these and they are a good reliable unit if used correctly
flux core is ok but as scotto said u get a lot neater / less spatter from solid wire with gas
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My 19yo son wanted a
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did you do any work at work
did you do any work at work russ?
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yeah i do when needed and
yeah i do when needed and with work i can do. as i am on workers comp and can only lift 5 kg and only work 3 days at 4 hours p/day (not my choice) there isnt too much i can do
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dagree
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Was just thinking the same
Where do I get a job like that
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trust me, its no picnic with
trust me, its no picnic with a bad back. i would give just about anything to be able to get back to normal and do a good hard days work.
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dagree
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Have an idea what you are
Have an idea what you are going through Russ... Did a lower disk 5 years ago (Sciatica... spellcheck). Took 9 months to heel and it wasn't compo so had to fork out the dollars myself
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jack_action
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mig
everyone I have spoken too says if they had their time again they would go with gas.
i got a lincoln sp 170 - portable good as.
do 6mm no problem, 10mm with multiple passes
i agree with dagree's comments, spend a couple more $$$, you'll be happier in long run.
Justin
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i will only be doing this
i will only be doing this sort of stuff with light steel, prob around the 3 or 4 mm max. nothing fancy needed
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we got a mig that can be use
we got a mig that can be use gasless and gas used gasless for a while now use gas and never lookd back did our whole boat trailer with it
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One thing to keep in mind,
One thing to keep in mind, if you are using the gasless welders make sure you are wearing a P2 mask. I know that everything is bad for you but gasless fluxcore is very carcinogenic.
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Top work Russ. I might see you down the local markets on a Sunday by the time I get back.
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yeah you never know . when
yeah you never know . when are you due back to the real world
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gas gives a better weld.
gas gives a better weld. Gassless gives a bit of splatter. works out to be about the same price. 4.5kg gasless wire costs bout $100. 4.5kg gas wire costs bout $35, then theres the gas.
Migs will do 6mm easy in 1 pass. so not that light guage.
fishfish
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gasless migs !!
Just my opinioin but please do not get a gasless mig they suck monkeys balls !!!!!
The fumes and smoke they put off is amazing and you cant see shit when trying to weld !!!! plus the spatter !!!
As also mentioned the wire is not cheap, but I will add that the bottle rental and filling charges keep going up. For home use expect to pay about $120 a year rental and about the same to refill. This obviously depends on bottle size and what discount/ where you work for rental/refill ..
Cheers fishfish...
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It all depends on what your
It all depends on what your wanting to weld
Light guage sheetmetal or duragal tube, ill take the gasless any day... so portable and easy to use and you can weld outside in a 40knot wind (try doing that with mig )
i have had my little gasless for over ten years and its paid for itself many times over and although the wire is expensive it can sit there for two years without being used and im not paying anything for gas bottle hire...
i also have a 350 amp mig welder that barely gets used these days...lets face it how often do you need to weld 10-12mm plate around the house...
ill find some pics of the camper trailer i built a few years back with ALL the 2mm sheetmetal welded with gasless (chassis was welded with the 350amp machine) and show the quality that can be achieved with a gasless given a little practice..
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cool as bro
cool as bro
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at last , someone that says
at last , someone that says they are good. im only after a hobbie welder not a work one. i have an arch welder to do the heavy stuff. thanks for all the info.
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russ i was a boiler maker
russ
i was a boiler maker for 15years and have tried all types of welders.
go for the gasless but get the one that can take gas as well, best of both worlds.
you can rent a bottle when needed, hell if it was a bigger type job you can use my bottle if needed.
the gas is deffinatly alot cleaner but if you are welding galv the gasless is better.
the co2 is a lot cheaper gas than the mig shield universal, just a bit more splatter.
as a test next time...try some thin metal 1-2mm and try a vertical up weld, that'l test you.
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thanks Ron. i will keep that
thanks Ron. i will keep that in mind when i go looking.What brands do i look fo and what sort of price. not looking for something too expencive tho
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fisho-ron
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been out of the game for a
been out of the game for a long time now russ, but i have always had the cig welders withe the benard had guns, but i am sure there sre some quality cheap welders around thes days.
just get the biggest you can afford!,, like boats, you will always want bigger once you got it
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Sherbs and I wouldn't mind a two way beach rod holders Russ
Thanks mate
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luke t
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two way rod holders
Ive Been thinking of knocking up a few for myself out of ally .. seen a couple with a can holder incorporated into it aswell ...
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Got to have the can holder luke
A seat wouldn't be bad either
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Another thing Russ, if you
Another thing Russ, if you go down the gas path you can use it for any ally or stainless work if you need to do small repairs and the like. Not too sure if you can weld ally with a gasless unit. Food for thought anyway
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