Alfred if you seriously want to bottom bounce in deep water your best bet would be an Alvey deck winch. Run 150lb braid and use kilo's of lead to keep baits on the bottom.

Apart from that a rod that can take the weight of the lead youll be using and an overhead with a fast gear ratio will help. Maybe a stand up 24kg rod and a Tyrnos 30 would do the trick.

Hi alfred,
I have fished close to the 200m mark a handful of times before, and it is exciting stuff when you sort of have an inkling at what you're aiming for. Otherwise, it can become a waste of time and effort (not to mention fuel, time, etc). a lot of watery desert in between.

I was quite comfortable using 80lb braid, with size 24+ sinker, depending on drift of course. I remember a day it was so bloody calm it was 200m straight down, line was perpendicular. Those aren't common now are they ;)

Of course, I would prefer jigging, but as always the fish sometimes have different ideas. FRESH squid would be the best bait.

I would not recommend a fast gear ratio at all, unless that is made up by a VERY high cranking power. but usually the trade off is high gear ratio = low cranking power. These are big sinkers, and possibly big fish, from BIG depths. Personally, I use an Accurate Boss Magnum 665N, which does make quite breezy. Hear the torsas make easy work out of it too. You wouldn't want a big dangly fibreglass rod thats for sure, perhaps a pretty stiff, light, yet sensitive, but with grunt, graphite one: jigwrex comes to mind. I use a Jigging Master 400g.

I would not use the Tynros (thats just me) as the cranking power is seriously lacking with that high speed, and the frickin thing is just a heavy brick.... i want to be fighting the fish, or at the very least the sinker, not the damn reel. no 'shooting down' intended Tim, i have bought and sold and lost money on a Tyrnos a long time ago. some people still like em =)

then again if you have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and baits your way to go, an investment in an electric reel might not sound so far off. just get used to having a battery at your legs and a cable hooked up. a few come to mind; daiwa's seaborg, miya epoch... but this is more of a case of 'i have seen' rather than 'i have used'. most lectric reels break the grander mark in terms of dosh.

about all i know.... which is not much, sorry.

Mav chould help you out better. I hear hes been pushign 300m with his captain.

Pump iron to drop iron!

lol......I can get you a Shimano Electric reel and you still be able to use it in shallower water manually.....you'll be surprise how fast these reels can winch up 3lb of lead...

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'head smacking-ly' fast i presume ;)

right between the eyes.

Pump iron to drop iron!

Thanks for the info folks.

Jigwrex PE8 ok?

is it an overhead? stick with overhead for cranking power.

i think i went over my head there with equipment, sorry. not the most affordable stuff... not sure, but saltist possibly ok reel.... again ask mav. I don't like star drag reels except for the Ocea Jigger ;) (no reason, just a fussy bugger).

fishing 200m, unless jigging, with a spinning reel is about as pleasant as wrestling alligators. even with the Van Staal range of reels. ok maybe with Van Staal from alligator to... a big bear? First time might be fun, but the few times after that... mmm

take me out, i'll show you how to wrestle them alligators ;)

Pump iron to drop iron!.................. aaaaand wrestle alligators.

Have an old TLD 20 2 speed with 50lb braid and a Calstar 706 or was that 760 cut a few inches from the tip and the rest from the butt to 6ft. Like it very much. Just afraid that it may be too light for the heavy weights. Will stick to overheads for that kinda depth!

Tim 150lb braid? What if you get stuck? Is it really necessary? Was thinking 80 or 100lbs.

Kasey no problem. The idea of the Tyrnos was more as a budget reel as I dont think Alfred is planning on doing this very often and you could spend alot of money for not much use. I dont have a Tyrnos myself but have gone out deep with people who have them and cranking 24oz sinkers has not been a problem for them.

Have looked into electric reels and deck winches for probably the last 6 months for this as I have started going out to the mid 200's as often as I can lately.

I looked at the electrics to use as a down rigger for the lead and use a release clip wich allows me to hookup and only have to wind the fish up. Using the electric to bring the sinker and fish up doesnt interest me. Im out there to fish not press a button.

The deck winches alfred are designed to pretty much just crank fish from the bottom and are the most common unit used by the guys I know fish out there regularly. Alvey recommend heavy braid type line for them but 80 or 100 is still heavy. You just tie your sinker on with lighter trace so it breaks and you dont loose braid.

24oz sinkers are really also the minimum you would be using and it is not unlikely that you could have to start doing things like tying on 2 32oz sinkers just to keep the bottom.

All comes down to if you want to give it a go or fish that depth regularly. If your only going to do it a couple of times you can fish it with your standard bottom bouncing gear imo otherwise as you say Kasey there is alot of expensive gear out there that should be checked out.

Also got to remember that you also have to spend money on a new sounder out there as your normal sounders just wont get the bottom let alone tell you if any fish down there. (Hence my other post re sounder choice - $3800 and up for a sounder to give me a bottom picture out there).

Like everything else with fishing Alfred collect all the info you can decide what suits your situation and go from there.

32oz of wieght times 2! Shit thats nearlly 2kg! (1800gms) I fished around the 200 metre mark in broome quite regulary when i was there and everyone nows what the current is like up there and i only ever had a 25oz on and that was a bit of an overkill. Not saying that your not wrong, i beleive ya! Ill be stuffed winding up that kind of wieght! Shit id have to sit down and have a breather.lol. 2kg stuff that let alone a 20kg cod as well!lol. What you recon alfred, still keen?lol. How often do you head out tim and whats usally your catch? Cod, sharks, pinkies etc?

Keep it tight, reeeeeeel tight!

The Calstar 760 should serve you well, along with the TLD. Just chuck it in low gear when you're getting tired; sure it might take a while but its not too hard work at least. Know your limits.

A sinker size around 20-26 should be sufficient, depending on weather and line thickness.

Pump iron to drop iron!

Go the TLD50 TWO SPEED hold alot of line big handle ya can crank the fish write up.

I use an alvey, haven't had any problems with it, and pulled a few up from the deep on it.

The TLD 20 has about 700m of 50lb braid on it, so that will be enough. Will use that first. Where can you get 25/26oz weights?

What is the best setting for the NAVMAN 6500 in 200m. I am stuck with that for now as it is still new. sob,sob!

i used my tyrnos 30 in 200m metres of water on the weekend alfred and it struggled! it did the job but there was alot of pressure on the reel
the cheapest and strongest reel of that job would be the okuma T50W..or if you wanted to spend a bit more like dan said a TLD 50 2sp or something like a avet ex model or even a 50w tiagra.
i use 50lb braid and it did fine..just make sure that on your last bit of your rig (to the sinker) have 60lb-80lb mono so if you hook the wreck or woteva u can break it off..and use 150-200lb mono for your dropper loops

cheers
sam

You blokes gotta be keen fishing 200m +. I heard of a guy who used to bottom bash out at the fads using a cored brick as a sinker (attached with light line to his rig). This by the way was before braid came on the scene and there was only two fads being put out. Once he felt some solid weight he just got stuck in with the brick hopefully breaking off. Crazy stuff, then and now! Mind you the fads were only fished by very few crew those days, you can imagine some of the dolly sessions. Never bothered bottom bashing them back then myself, to busy up top.;)

John

Best weight by far are sections of re-bar, start off with a bit about 1/2" dia and 2ft long, use a peice of string as a tie point (on one end) and tie this onto you hook rig with 5-8lb mono (I use 6lb), when you get a fish it'll snap off the bar and your away.

Use circle hooks, heavy leader and squid and tuna cocktails as bait, and if you want tie on a light stick (sharkies love these).

In the Straits of Gibralter, where there's a screaming current, the tuna guys use 8"x 8" blocks of concrete and 20-30lb break-offs, with a big livebait the giant Bluefin just bust it off easy.

However if you want to get blown away check-out the Lowrance site on deep dropping/sounding - some guys on there got towed miles by something???

Hold tight and wear a butt pad.

having jigged at depth of more then 200m, probably 250m max.. i would think that having lighter lines might helps alot, you'll be surprised that at times you could touch bottom with PE 5 lines & 300g jig but struggle to touch bottom using PE 10 with 450g jig.. and IMHO, that really means alot as far as deep water jigging goes..

Just my 2 cents
Mark

IMO i have only ever used 30 to 50 pound line a havent had a problem. That was in the past though and id lean towards 50 to 80 pound now. The only thing i could recomend is having good knots and quality leader material. 100 to 150 pound penn x10 has never let me down yet, until you reach the unstopables which at times you cant help. As long as it works for you keep it cranking. Good quality tackle is aslo a must though but thats my opinion. Cheers.

Keep it tight, reeeeeeel tight!

Thanks guys.

I am hoping for a decent day next week to head out to the Derwent and try some deep water bottom bouncing. I have the TLD with PE5 and another reel with PE8 line, so I will bring both and see how it goes.

Any rig recommendations? Planning on having the weights on 30-40lb mono and main line of 100lb.

Hook sizes?

Bait?

I use snelled 6/0's or 9/0 circles attached to dropper loops of 2 made out of 100lb leader. Swivells are the go if line twist accures but i like the princible of less knots the less faults can occur. Sinker is attached to 40 pound leader. Bait has to be durable, so something like herring/tailor fillets on 1 hook and a whole small squid or occie on the other so they stay on while you drop to the bottom. Add a few glow beads to get attention as well and always remember to:Keep it tight, reeeeeeel tight!