new 200hp 4 stroke - which one?
Submitted by scuttlebutt on Tue, 2019-01-15 18:14
Startng to toy with the idea of a new motor for my 625 Cruise Craft. Currently has a 200 Opti but would go 4 stroke on a new one. Any thoughts on Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda or Merc?
Faulkner Family
Posts: 18026
Date Joined: 11/03/08
first thing compare the
first thing compare the weight of each to get an idea which ones might suit your boat the best .
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
suzi q
Posts: 51
Date Joined: 16/02/17
Yamaha all the way - have a
Yamaha all the way - have a 200 Yamaha and it’s never missed a beat. Great fuel economy too.
squalis
Posts: 112
Date Joined: 23/11/14
200 hp
The latest Merc 200 four stroke is the best by far, leanest on fuel ,quietest of the bunch, best corrosion resistance and biggest parts inventory in aus. You dont have to waiy for months ex japan as the opposition. Best warranty in the business. No i am not a merc dealer but have 46 years of recreational fishing and 35 years of commrecial use of outboards and have used them all.
Scotte
Posts: 1145
Date Joined: 07/12/06
The Honda have a 7 year
The Honda have a 7 year warranty which is up there too
squidvicious1
Posts: 824
Date Joined: 22/07/10
I'd go the merc, by the
I'd go the merc, by the yankee sites they are having to wait long periods for some of the favourite sizes. V6 with the weight of a 4 cyl.
Or the 200R -V8 mmmmm
Jackalchub
Posts: 599
Date Joined: 10/03/12
The new Mercs are pretty
The new Mercs are pretty cool.. that’s coming from a guy with a 300 yam. love the yam though
Scotte
Posts: 1145
Date Joined: 07/12/06
Cant go too far wrong with
Cant go too far wrong with all 4 of them.
Weight is probably the bit you want to get right the most.
sunshine
Posts: 2600
Date Joined: 03/03/09
Yammy for me
Have a 225 on a seaquest 6.8 and regularly get a nautical mile to a litre......I still cannot believe how good the economy is nor how quiet.
sea-kem
Posts: 14970
Date Joined: 30/11/09
Talk to your boat mech and
Talk to your boat mech and get his opinion too, how easy to service, parts (cost) and availability, also how much info is displayed when the service program is plugged in. I found out recently that Suzuki lack a lot of incindent information. Example being that the motor had been overheating and the program only tells you that the alarm had gone off a number of times. Other outboards log the time and duration of the incident so you can better pinpoint problems. But yeah pretty all brands have lifted their game including Merc. You will not know your world with a 4 stroke on the back insanely good.
Love the West!
Silver Fox
Posts: 1111
Date Joined: 19/06/14
Stick with the Merc
Hows about a Verado 400 r ?
My wife understands why I clean my rods n reels in the shower....
Stevo81
Posts: 1278
Date Joined: 16/04/12
I’d be looking hard at the
I’d be looking hard at the new Merc 200s too. As above lighter than the yammy & Suzuki 4cylinder 200s but a v6
•••••••• Electrical Contractor NOR ••••••••
Darren253
Posts: 570
Date Joined: 23/07/16
Merc V8
I'm a massive fan of my 3ltr Merc 150. It has the grunt of a 175 in either of the Japanise competitors. So much down low torque. At the time it was also $3k cheaper than the cloesest Yammi model.
I would go the Merc V8 in a heartbeat... I would be tempted to find out the price adder for DTS.
SeperateKnob
Posts: 668
Date Joined: 28/11/16
If you want decent resale and
If you want decent resale and reliability go Yam/Honda/Suz
merdel12
Posts: 306
Date Joined: 19/07/12
I have only heard good
I have only heard good things about the new mercs aswell but in this day and age all the big brands are pretty bullet proof
scuttlebutt
Posts: 447
Date Joined: 24/03/06
Yeah been reading up on the
Yeah been reading up on the new Mercs, I know they haven't been out long but can't find a bad word about them
Mulie
Posts: 546
Date Joined: 20/02/11
I've always been impressed
I've always been impressed by the hours and fuel usage people say they achieve with the Honda, especially under 4500 rpm. But these new Merc motors have been getting people excited.
The link below shows a test in 2009 where the 225 Honda gets 1.9 km per litre at 20 knots on a Haines 650. You'd think it would be even better with the updates.
http://www.hondampe.com.au/docs/marine/fuel-consumption-reports/Fuel%20Consumption%20Data%20Sheet%20-%20Haines%20Hunter%20650%20Horizon%20-%20BF225.pdf
Mulie
Iceman
Posts: 747
Date Joined: 17/03/09
Suzuki
Most sea rescue groups arenow running Suzuki engines due to reliability and service.
Stay away from Yamaha. Support form Yamaha has been crap and parts almost impossible to get in WA if not Australia.
Smartline Personal Mortgage Advisers - Level 1, 11 Hobsons Gate Currambine
0448122208
Lastchance
Posts: 1273
Date Joined: 02/02/09
Stay away from yamaha? Are
Stay away from yamaha? Are you serious?
bolts
Posts: 150
Date Joined: 20/07/05
Mercury
The new generation Mercurys I believe are a game changer in the 4 stroke market. There high displacement low weight simple design has taken the industry by storm. Take a look around at the ramps these days and they are very popular.
I re powered my rig with a 115 pro xs ct about 14 months ago, now done about 150
hours and it has been faultless.
the bottom end torque in these outboards are awesome and the weight of there outboards no other manufacturer can match.
i searched long and hard to find any negative feedback on the new Mercs before making my dessecision
And I simply couldn't find anything and still can not.
Not only do they look shit hot, they really perform.
cheers
bolts
scuttlebutt
Posts: 447
Date Joined: 24/03/06
The Honda is too heavy -
The Honda is too heavy - 277kg compared to 215kg for the new Merc.
I like the idea of a big v6 with smoothness and plenty of torque so at the moment the Merc is in front for me. Lightweight, 6 year full warranty (as long as its serviced at an auth merc dealer).
The only question is over long-term reliability and resale as they haven't been out long but everything else gets ticks in the right boxes.
Next will be figuring out how much I can sell the Opti for. 2007 with 850hrs. Any ideas? would prefer to sell it rather than get nothing on a trade.
Stevo81
Posts: 1278
Date Joined: 16/04/12
Yeah the Honda’s are Great
Yeah the Honda’s are Great reliable economical outboards but older technology and man are they heavy!
•••••••• Electrical Contractor NOR ••••••••
MyDisco2
Posts: 102
Date Joined: 28/06/17
Honda New Models
While I agree about weight on the Honda 200hp being heavy at around 280kg (same weight /engine as the 250hp Honda) the brand new refreshed lineup for 2019 in 200-250hp models looks nothing like old technology with BLAST and all the other goodies. Don’t have one (currently Suzuki) but definitely if was considering a 250hp they would be right up there.
I honestly think these days it depends on size and weight of whichever hp you are chasing at the time. Every outboard company has winning and losing engines depending on the slot size and what the competition has. For example 115hp? Would probably have to be Mercury Pro XS for Power/weight, but up to 130-140hp then Suzuki probably wins that slot with power/weight of DF140.
Cheers,
Disco.
ranmar850
Posts: 2702
Date Joined: 12/08/12
You might have a lot more hours on the Opti
by the time a new V-8 or V-6 merc is actually delivered. Have you talked to any dealers about delivery time?
ranmar850
Posts: 2702
Date Joined: 12/08/12
If I had to bet my life on an outboard
it would be Honda. Problem is, in some HP ratings, they are very heavy. This doesn't apply across the range, just some ratings. Excellent name for reliability.
ChopChop
Posts: 67
Date Joined: 17/01/15
Fuel economy
How do the merc fair with fuel? I had heard they were thirsty compared to others.
squalis
Posts: 112
Date Joined: 23/11/14
200hp Merc
Independent testing has the Merc 6cyl as the clear winner in fuel consumption. Combined with the highest torque at both ends, lightest and quetiest, its the leader in the 200 hp stable. The design of the Merc is much simpler and Merc dealers claim greater reliability. The internet is full of satisfied owners who vouch for this. Combine this with lowest purchase price, biggest dealer network and parts inventory in Australia, second longest warranty period and best corrosion resitance and you have the full range of leadership criteria. While the competition is also very good, parts availability in Aus on the japanese brands are not as extensive. The Japanese have a better resale value at the moment but as the Merc builds its reputation this may well change.
crano
Posts: 702
Date Joined: 04/11/09
Lastchance
I needed parts for a yammy last year. Waited over a month for them.
Lastchance
Posts: 1273
Date Joined: 02/02/09
Yeah right, thats not ideal.
Yeah right, thats not ideal.
squalis
Posts: 112
Date Joined: 23/11/14
200hp Merc
Crano you did well. I know of yammy parts taking 3 months to get here. I also had issues with Yamaha not honouring warranty claims , thats why i switched to Mercury. Merc are excellent in stepping up . I had an engine out of warranty by 3 months, it dropped a con rod which went thru the cylinder wall and they repaired the motor for free as they accepted it was an assembly problem back at the factory. They were keen to keep their reputation .
scuttlebutt
Posts: 447
Date Joined: 24/03/06
delivery time 3 to 4 months.
Have got quotes from a couple of dealers over here (Cairns) and delivery time looking at 3 to 4 months. Evidently they're selling like hotcakes. Delivery time doesn't bother me as there's nothing wrong with the Opti other than age. Even Suzuki delivery time is approx 2 months.
scuttlebutt
Posts: 447
Date Joined: 24/03/06
Have now narrowed it down to
Have now narrowed it down to Merc or Suzuki.
Having got quotes for both Mercury and Suzuki the DTS model of each once fitted come in roughly the same, around $27.5k. That's for the 4 cyl Suzuki.
The non DTS model Suzuki is about 2k cheaper fitted. Not as much difference with the Merc.
The Merc is a V6 but 20kg lighter, has 20% more torque and a 6 year warranty vs a 5 year. Suzuki has a great reputation for reliability and the 3.4 Merc is only new on the market. Decisions....
SeperateKnob
Posts: 668
Date Joined: 28/11/16
I would choose Suzuki over
I would choose Suzuki over merc due to reputation and proven reliability. Might not have all the latest and greatest bells and whistles but prefer the resale and peace of mind
sea-kem
Posts: 14970
Date Joined: 30/11/09
Yep been running my DF90 for
Yep been running my DF90 for over 13 years and it's never missed a beat. Couple of small issues at the moment but nothing to make you cry.
Love the West!
SeperateKnob
Posts: 668
Date Joined: 28/11/16
That’s pretty good. How many
That’s pretty good. How many hours have you racked up?
sea-kem
Posts: 14970
Date Joined: 30/11/09
450hrs approx to be honest
450hrs approx to be honest not really sure if that's an average amount or not.
Love the West!
gruntre69
Posts: 533
Date Joined: 15/10/16
I like what I see from Merc
I like what I see from Merc
Marine trimmer NOR (available for clears, tops, carpet, upholstery, custom equipment covers)
stevo58
Posts: 32
Date Joined: 07/01/16
Hey Scuddlebutt, just
Hey Scuddlebutt, just wondering how you got on with you repowe and what you landed with as I'm about to follow suit. Tossing up between the Suzuki vs the Merc ( 200hp ) on basically same boat ( 625 Explorer Cruise craft).
Rob H
Posts: 5796
Date Joined: 18/01/12
Ive got a pair of the Merc
Ive got a pair of the Merc 200, up to 30hrs now.
Pretty good so far!
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
scuttlebutt
Posts: 447
Date Joined: 24/03/06
still havent done it
Hey mate for one reason or another I've still got the old Opti. I ended up ordering a Suzuki but the shop couldnt obtain it due to supply issues and it all got too hard. And the old Opti still runs great so I'm in no rush. I think the Mercs have proven themselves by now so I think I'll go Merc when the time comes.
scuttlebutt
Posts: 447
Date Joined: 24/03/06
still havent done it
Hey mate for one reason or another I've still got the old Opti. I ended up ordering a Suzuki but the shop couldnt obtain it due to supply issues and it all got too hard. And the old Opti still runs great so I'm in no rush. I think the Mercs have proven themselves by now so I think I'll go Merc when the time comes.
stevo58
Posts: 32
Date Joined: 07/01/16
Thanks for the feedback Rob I
Thanks for the feedback Rob I followed your build and saw you went that option so glad to hear so far so good with the Mercs
squalis
Posts: 112
Date Joined: 23/11/14
200 hp
I have just purchased a new merc 200hp 4 stroke they have plenty of stock, took 1 week delivery to Perth. What an awesome beast. Low noise level and very frugal on petrol. No regrets.
Happy Hooker
Posts: 305
Date Joined: 12/11/08
Hey Sqalis
Where did you get it from / installed ? Am toying with changing my 2006 150 2 stroke merc on 6.4 trailcraft. Has low hrs and runs perfectly but between fuel usage and oil costs ( and noise) might be the time to do the change , but need to do the maths as wife wants new kitchen
squalis
Posts: 112
Date Joined: 23/11/14
happy hooker
Happy Hooker I purchased my motor using a good freind Lee Paxman who works for Hitech marine in Wangarra. He got me the best price and installed the motor privately for a good price. Top people to deal with.
straith
Posts: 421
Date Joined: 25/11/13
what prices are we talking in comparison?
Seems like the old horror days are over of competing brands when Yamaha made their mark on the industry.
What are the actual dollar comparisons between the big brands now??
Are we talking 5k or just a cpl???
Im happy to run my 150 Yammy into dust when you see the new prices since covid fkd everything up by 30 % but ofcourse I keep looking
wagyl
Posts: 219
Date Joined: 08/03/09
I have had a 225hp
V8 Pro XS from Merc now for 4 years, done 600 hours and no problems yet, touch wood. Only issue I have is for the extended warranty servicing must be done at an authorised Merc Dealer. So I was quoted at time of purchase a 100 hour service was about $6-700, it has actually been about $1100-1200 each time. It takes them about 2 hours to do, but they charge for 4 hours as that is "the standard Merc Price from Mercury". I should get them to spend the extra 2 hours polishing the bottom of the boat. The motor to date has been great, about 1 to 1.1 Nm per litre at 23 knots on an 8 metre centre console.
Bodgy 79
Posts: 286
Date Joined: 04/08/22
Yamaha
Was told last week Yamaha have released the there new range this year and quietly slipped in a 4.7% price increase underneath all the hype.
My eldest boy is an apprentice at a merc dealership and pulled a V10 400hp out of the box for display the other day and fuckn wow!! (As I'm a diesel mechanic a admire such an awesome bit of machinery) it will retail for around $58 k
My new bout is being fitted out with 200 merc as we speak,chosen because of the lager capacity block and a V6 engine can be so well balanced
wagyl
Posts: 219
Date Joined: 08/03/09
Sorry, made a mistake,
Fuel economy on 225 Merc was 1 to 1.1 litres per Nm
squidvicious1
Posts: 824
Date Joined: 22/07/10
as wagyl said you have to
as wagyl said you have to get the merc serviced by a merc dealer to qualify for the full warranty. any other can be done by a private mechanic,cheaper.