new 200hp 4 stroke - which one?

 

Startng to toy with the idea of a new motor for my 625 Cruise Craft.  Currently has a 200 Opti but would go 4 stroke on a new one.  Any thoughts on Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda or Merc?  


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 first thing compare the

Tue, 2019-01-15 19:13

 first thing compare the weight of each to get an idea which ones might suit your boat the best . 

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Yamaha all the way - have a

Tue, 2019-01-15 19:26

Yamaha all the way - have a 200 Yamaha and it’s never missed a beat. Great fuel economy too.  

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200 hp

Tue, 2019-01-15 19:36

 The latest Merc 200 four stroke is the best by far, leanest on fuel ,quietest of the bunch, best corrosion resistance and biggest parts inventory in aus. You dont have to waiy for months  ex japan as the opposition. Best warranty in the business. No i am not a merc dealer but have 46 years  of recreational fishing and 35 years of commrecial use of outboards and have used them all.

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 The Honda  have a 7 year

Tue, 2019-01-15 20:51

 The Honda  have a 7 year warranty which is up there too

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I'd go the merc, by the

Tue, 2019-01-15 19:46

I'd go the merc, by the yankee sites they are having to wait long periods for some of the favourite sizes. V6 with the weight of a 4 cyl. 

Or the 200R -V8 mmmmm

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The new Mercs are pretty

Tue, 2019-01-15 19:59

The new Mercs are pretty cool.. that’s coming from a guy with a 300 yam. love the yam though 

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 Cant go too far wrong with

Tue, 2019-01-15 20:48

 Cant go too far wrong with all 4 of them.

Weight is probably the bit you want to get right the most.

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Yammy for me

Tue, 2019-01-15 20:56

Have a 225 on a seaquest 6.8 and regularly get a nautical mile to a litre......I still cannot believe how good the economy is nor how quiet. 

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 Talk to your boat mech and

Tue, 2019-01-15 21:04

 Talk to your boat mech and get his opinion too, how easy to service, parts (cost) and availability, also how much info is displayed when the service program is plugged in. I found out recently that Suzuki lack a lot of incindent information. Example being that the motor had been overheating and the program only tells you that the alarm had gone off a number of times. Other outboards log the time and duration of the incident so you can better pinpoint problems. But yeah pretty all brands have lifted their game including Merc. You will not know your world with a 4 stroke on the back insanely good.

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Stick with the Merc

Tue, 2019-01-15 21:25

Hows about a Verado 400 r ?  

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I’d be looking hard at the

Wed, 2019-01-16 06:48

I’d be looking hard at the new Merc 200s too. As above lighter than the yammy & Suzuki 4cylinder 200s but a v6

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Merc V8

Wed, 2019-01-16 09:16

I'm a massive fan of my 3ltr Merc 150. It has the grunt of a 175 in either of the Japanise competitors. So much down low torque. At the time it was also $3k cheaper than the cloesest Yammi model.

I would go the Merc V8 in a heartbeat... I would be tempted to find out the price adder for DTS.

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If you want decent resale and

Wed, 2019-01-16 14:22

If you want decent resale and reliability go Yam/Honda/Suz

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 I have only heard good

Wed, 2019-01-16 19:56

 I have only heard good things about the new mercs aswell but in this day and age all the big brands are pretty bullet proof

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 Yeah been reading up on the

Wed, 2019-01-16 21:07

 Yeah been reading up on the new Mercs, I  know they haven't been out long but can't find a bad word about them 

 

 

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 I've always been impressed

Thu, 2019-01-17 11:59

 I've always been impressed by the hours and fuel usage people say they achieve with the Honda, especially under 4500 rpm. But these new Merc motors have been getting people excited. 

The link below shows a test in 2009 where the 225 Honda gets 1.9 km per litre at 20 knots on a Haines 650. You'd think it would be even better with the updates.

http://www.hondampe.com.au/docs/marine/fuel-consumption-reports/Fuel%20Consumption%20Data%20Sheet%20-%20Haines%20Hunter%20650%20Horizon%20-%20BF225.pdf

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Suzuki

Thu, 2019-01-17 07:29

Most sea rescue groups arenow running Suzuki engines due to reliability and service.

Stay away from Yamaha. Support form Yamaha has been crap and parts almost impossible to get in WA if not Australia.

 

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Stay away from yamaha? Are

Fri, 2019-01-18 19:07

Stay away from yamaha? Are you serious?

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Mercury

Thu, 2019-01-17 08:08

 The new generation Mercurys I believe are a game changer in the 4 stroke market. There high displacement low weight simple design has taken the industry by storm. Take a look around at the ramps these days and they are very popular.

I re powered my rig with a 115 pro xs ct about 14 months ago, now done about 150

hours and it has been faultless.

the bottom end torque in these outboards are awesome and the weight of there outboards no other manufacturer can match.

i searched long and hard to find any negative feedback on the new Mercs before making my dessecision

And I simply couldn't find anything and still can not.

Not only do they look shit hot, they really perform.

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 The Honda is too heavy -

Fri, 2019-01-18 10:10

 The Honda is too heavy - 277kg compared to 215kg for the new Merc.  

I like the idea of a big v6 with smoothness and plenty of torque so at the moment the Merc is in front for me.  Lightweight, 6 year full warranty (as long as its serviced at an auth merc dealer).  

The only question is over long-term reliability and resale as they haven't been out long but everything else gets ticks in the right boxes.

Next will be figuring out how much I can sell the Opti for.  2007 with 850hrs.  Any ideas?  would prefer to sell it rather than get nothing on a trade.

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Yeah the Honda’s are Great

Fri, 2019-01-18 18:28

Yeah the Honda’s are Great reliable economical outboards but older technology and man are they heavy!

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Honda New Models

Sat, 2019-01-19 12:48

While I agree about weight on the Honda 200hp being heavy at around 280kg (same weight /engine as the 250hp Honda) the brand new refreshed lineup for 2019 in  200-250hp models looks nothing like old technology with BLAST and all the other goodies. Don’t have one (currently Suzuki) but definitely if was considering a 250hp they would be right up there.

 

I honestly think these days it depends on size and weight of whichever hp you are chasing at the time. Every outboard company has winning and losing engines depending on the slot size and what the competition has. For example 115hp? Would probably have to be Mercury Pro XS for Power/weight, but up to 130-140hp then Suzuki probably wins that slot with power/weight of DF140.

 

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You might have a lot more hours on the Opti

Fri, 2019-01-18 19:58

 by the time a new V-8 or V-6 merc is actually delivered. Have you talked to any dealers about delivery time?

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If I had to bet my life on an outboard

Fri, 2019-01-18 19:57

 it would be Honda. Problem is, in some HP ratings, they are very heavy. This doesn't apply across the range, just some ratings. Excellent name for reliability. 

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Fuel economy

Sat, 2019-01-19 05:57

How do the merc fair with fuel? I had heard they were thirsty compared to others. 

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200hp Merc

Sat, 2019-01-19 15:03

 Independent testing has the Merc 6cyl as the clear winner in fuel consumption. Combined with the highest torque at both ends, lightest and quetiest, its the leader in the 200 hp stable. The design of the Merc is much simpler and Merc dealers claim greater reliability. The internet is full of satisfied owners who vouch for this. Combine this with lowest purchase price, biggest dealer network and parts inventory in Australia, second longest warranty period and best corrosion resitance and you have the full range of leadership criteria. While the competition is also very good, parts availability in Aus on the japanese brands are not as extensive. The Japanese have a better resale value at the moment but as the Merc builds its reputation this may well change.

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Lastchance

Sat, 2019-01-19 17:14

 I needed parts for a yammy last year. Waited over a month for them.

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Yeah right, thats not ideal.

Sat, 2019-01-19 18:42

Yeah right, thats not ideal.

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200hp Merc

Sat, 2019-01-19 17:45

 Crano you did well. I know of yammy parts taking 3 months to get here. I also had issues with Yamaha not honouring warranty claims , thats why i switched  to Mercury.  Merc are excellent in stepping up . I had an engine out of warranty by 3 months, it dropped a con rod which went thru the cylinder wall and they repaired the motor for free as they accepted it was an assembly problem back at the factory. They were keen to keep their reputation .  

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delivery time 3 to 4 months.

Sun, 2019-01-20 08:13

 

Have got quotes from a couple of dealers over here (Cairns) and delivery time looking at 3 to 4 months.  Evidently they're selling like hotcakes.  Delivery time doesn't bother me as there's nothing wrong with the Opti other than age.  Even Suzuki delivery time is approx 2 months.  

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Have now narrowed it down to

Mon, 2019-01-21 10:53

Have now narrowed it down to Merc or Suzuki. 

Having got quotes for both Mercury and Suzuki the DTS model of each once fitted come in roughly the same, around $27.5k.  That's for the 4 cyl Suzuki.  

 

The non DTS model Suzuki is about 2k cheaper fitted.  Not as much difference with the Merc.  

 

The Merc is a V6 but 20kg lighter, has 20% more torque and a 6 year warranty vs a 5 year.  Suzuki has a great reputation for reliability and the 3.4 Merc is only new on the market.  Decisions.... 

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I would choose Suzuki over

Wed, 2019-01-23 21:54

I would choose Suzuki over merc due to reputation and proven reliability. Might not have all the latest and greatest bells and whistles but prefer the resale and peace of mind  

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 Yep been running my DF90 for

Wed, 2019-01-23 22:16

 Yep been running my DF90 for over 13 years and it's never missed a beat. Couple of small issues at the moment but nothing to make you cry. 

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That’s pretty good. How many

Thu, 2019-01-24 21:32

That’s pretty good. How many hours have you racked up? 

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 450hrs approx to be honest

Thu, 2019-01-24 21:38

 450hrs approx to be honest not really sure if that's an average amount or not. 

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 I like what I see from Merc

Thu, 2019-01-24 21:30

 I like what I see from Merc

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