New alcohol boating laws.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/perth/mcgowan-government-to-introduce-005-blood-alcohol-limit-for-skippers-ng-b881063331z

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Idiots will be idiots

Sun, 2019-01-06 10:52

Idiots will be idiots regardless of whether it is legal or not. Be interesting to see what they actually end up getting through though.  

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will be interesting

Sun, 2019-01-06 11:14

 And especially as to when you are actually "operating a vessel".

When at anchor?

Tied to a wharf?

When on a mooring?

When sterned up to the beach?
If any of the above, how would they ascertain who is the "operator" if noone puts their hand up?

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 Could be similar to motor

Sun, 2019-01-06 13:07

 Could be similar to motor vehicle laws Rob, in car with keys under the influence then gone. I guess they could establish who is the owner and charge them if onboard. I don't have an isssue with it, hopefully bring some of the clowns on the river under control. The big thing will be with the floating palaces at Rotto, on board for a few nights and have a couple of wines with no intention of going anywhere, the skipper can't have anything? Tricky laws but I guess it works over east.

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Phew. Lucky I’m not key start

Sun, 2019-01-06 14:28

Phew. Lucky I’m not key start then. 

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Can see an influx of

Sun, 2019-01-06 14:29

Can see an influx of borrowing a 16 year old with rst for overnighters at rotto.  

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I thought you were off the

Sun, 2019-01-06 22:34

I thought you were off the red cans?

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 You nailed it Andy . Swan

Mon, 2019-01-07 08:29

 You nailed it Andy . Swan River idiots are the main reason for this ,so now everyone in the state have to put up with more regulations . Wont worry me as i drive both boat and car so no way i can have a beer till i get home , another case of bringing in rules and regs for an idiot minority that do the wrong thing so everyone else has to cop it. Its probably a good thing for metro where its crowded and there are more idiots, will be hard to police though as others have said. 

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 i believe it should be the

Sun, 2019-01-06 14:23

 i believe it should be the same . boats can be as dangerous as cars in the wrong hands. 

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 Bet they blitz the trailer

Sun, 2019-01-06 18:35

 Bet they blitz the trailer boats on the  long weekends and don't touch the gin palaces at rotto just another money grab if someone is playing up pull them up but random checks on the water is bullshit. 

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 i dont think random checks

Sun, 2019-01-06 19:11

 i dont think random checks on the water is bullshit , i think its a good idea. plenty of boats on the water with plenty of booze flowing especially in places like rotto mandurah and rocko. if their stupid enough to drink and drive in anything they deserve to get done. 

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Are yachts covered by these new laws

Sun, 2019-01-06 20:01

Having had a close encounter with a 30ft + yacht out of control and with the skipper and crew absolutely off their face coming back from Garden Island it is a very frightening experience I can tell you.
I think it is a good move, drunks on the water are just as bad as being behind the wheel on shore.

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I think that it is fine to be

Sun, 2019-01-06 20:27

I think that it is fine to be checking boatys  just as dangerous really its making me think of those drunk airline pilot videos and how the hell they are alive. 

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i really dont see why people

Sun, 2019-01-06 21:58

i really dont see why people think to have a good time with friends fishing or just cruzing you need to drink alot i dont mind if people drink thats fine but when you have to many you still need to drive home as well...

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The people that it would

Sun, 2019-01-06 22:02

The people that it would affect the most are those that don’t have to drive home though.  

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to true

Sun, 2019-01-06 22:50

 when i was a young bloke living in k town me and the  decky( still my decky) would go crabing of the back beach  we wouldnt come home untill we had finished our carton of emu cans we had so many close calls it isnt funy booze and boats dont mix well  decky always reminds me of when we went to south west reef of dampier and i fell asleep and he had to drive the boat  and he had never diven 1 before and we had cyclone orson  chasing us  home

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I agree wotj Dodgy and am a

Mon, 2019-01-07 08:57

I agree wotj Dodgy and am a bit on the fence with this. I see the need for it, but unfortauntely the few who turn into idiots wreck it for everyone else.

 

I wonder if this should be done by 'zone' instead of total state? I see areas like Exmouth, Karratha, Kunnanarra and so on being heavily impacted by this. Lots of these locations dont require you to use a car when back on land. Swan River, Mandurah Estuary, waters around Perth 100% agree

 

How would Abrolhos fit into this, you go over there and stay the night, one person cant drink??

How does it get enforced? IE: im driving the boat all day, been h aving a few, see old mate water police coming my way, have the MRs onboard who doesnt drink much at all, and say she's in control??

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I don’t have a particular

Mon, 2019-01-07 10:33

I don’t have a particular problem with the introduction of legislation because currently there is a huge gulf in between being sober and the inability to control one’s vessel as per current legislation and it is that idiot minority that really do ruin for everyone else and a line has to be drawn I guess. I usually just take the 3 stubbies out with me to enjoy on the water as I have to still jump in my car and drive home anyway along with the majority of skippers.

 
Reading the article it appears that the proposed legislation will not include random breath testing so it looks as though the govt are looking to allow authorities to target and prosecute the idiot minority which is a good thing based on some of the pisswrecked skippers I saw down Mandurah this week and regularly see in the upper Swan. The big issue will be those mooring/anchoring overnight and hopefully it will be a common-sense approach like the ‘alcohol ban’ down at Mullaloo Beach whereby if you’re having a quiet beer with the family over a BBQ they leave you alone but if you rock up with eskies and smash cans all day and disturb the other park goers you get fined and moved on.
 
Notwithstanding that, the enforcement of the speed limits in the upper Swan is non-existent so far as I’ve seen so the likelihood of being target tested for alcohol would be close to zero if you’re not drawing attention to yourself by effectively driving a floating bar around or taking a swig right in front of the Water Coppers. Might be time to reposition the drink holders out of sight too.
 
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Yes.... the legislation

Mon, 2019-01-07 12:03

Yes.... the legislation already exists, they are just clearly defining a level of alcohol that is permissable and a practical means to test for it.

 

At the moment it states it is an offence to NAVIGATE a vessel while under the influence of alcohol or drugs. So a vessel that is anchored, moored, or tied up to a jetty is exempt.

 

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Won't have to go out on the

Mon, 2019-01-07 13:35

Won't have to go out on the water they will just clog up the ramps and check you as you pull up.
Should be interesting if they blitz the Fitzroy while we are trolling for barra....Just toss out the pick and tell em to fuck off

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 I dont have an issue with

Mon, 2019-01-07 14:32

 I dont have an issue with it, dont understand why everyone is happy to drive on the road under .05 but think they should be entitled to skipper a boat after a carton. 

Here in Qld its a .05 limit for the skipper at all times (including at anchor) unless youre tied up to a jetty, marina or proper mooring. Skipper is also responsible for any passengers alcohol consumption as well.

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That’s crap 

Mon, 2019-01-07 18:23

That’s crap 

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Mmmm

Mon, 2019-01-07 19:42

Money grab, same as there cray proposal, same as heaveys at ramp few weeks ago, same as rangers ,good weather no parking lets book everyone.seems to me boaties taking it up the a/hole .

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seen to rember

Mon, 2019-01-07 19:44

 a high profile wa female polition and her surgon hubby didn think it was bad when their  boozed up son smashed their boat into a beacon on the swan river and choped of a girls lower leg they fought it for years when she claimed compo , the girl won in the end and funily enough hubby was struck of the medical register for beeing usless at his job and falsifiying his qualifications  years later

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 Very true Peter, and she was

Mon, 2019-01-07 20:07

 Very true Peter, and she was a c$^^t. That entitled POS should have had the book thrown at him. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-23/boat-drink-driving-victim-calls-for-random-breath-testing-of-sk/6037166

 

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your so right

Tue, 2019-01-15 19:34

 your so right your son or mine would have ended up behind bars , helps if your parents  have money and you go to an elite private school , fuxxxxx entitled and spoilt dont describe him aparently he got a nice porsche for his 18th 

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In this incident

Fri, 2019-01-11 19:51

This cock was already breakng the current laws.

The propsed legislation won't prevent a repeat of this unless cops  are on the water 24/7

The incident referred to, above, occured after 11pm

I've written to my local member opposing the changes but then again I dont have to deal with pisswrecked trailer boaties at ramps or see any of the nonesense most of you blokes see.

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not a problem

Fri, 2019-01-11 13:21

 in my view.  I will have 2 or 3 stubbies while crabbing over 4 hours so it wont affect me but it is the blokes that get pissed and then act like hoons on the river or estuary and then putting the boat back on the trailer and driving home.   Probably better for coppers to sit off from a boat ramp after australia day and get the boozed up ones driving home.  Make them park up their car and boat on a verge overnight....

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Fri, 2019-01-11 16:02

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Need to take a look at this

Sat, 2019-01-12 12:16

Need to take a look at this from a practical perspective.

If this does come in I guess it begs the question that if you are on the open water and you have had a couple of beers and the water police come up to you and you blow over . . . .  . . What are you going to do ?

I am assuming you can’t take the boat any further so how are you supposed to get back to shore ? Can’t really call a taxi or swim ?

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 possibly escorted to nearest

Sat, 2019-01-12 14:30

 possibly escorted to nearest ramp , that would be the practical answer 

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Can’t see them taking boats

Sat, 2019-01-12 15:02

Can’t see them taking boats off general policing duties to escort Pissed Pete’s back to a ramp.

Besides, who would skipper Pete’s boat, surely if Pete had blown over they couldn’t allow him behind the wheel again. It defeats the whole purpose.

What if there’s a run of Pissed Pete’s, do they have enough police boats ? Be interesting to see what they come up with

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I was talking about this to a

Sun, 2019-01-13 07:17

I was talking about this to a friend of mine who is an ex wa copper and now in the water police in Victoria and he was saying they rarely breathalise someone unless he looks really pissed because they have to tow the boat in and leaves them with a whole lot of difficulties 

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I have no idea how this would work

Mon, 2019-01-14 08:19

Don't suspect RBT's on water.
But Crabbing on Saturday in Mandurah the "hoon" boaters speeding past holding can's and generally making fools of themselves dodging the 100's of pots would get targeted I suspect.
The average boater cruising about minding their own business I suspect will not be targeted for a breatho even if they had a few.
Now I do have a couple whilst crabbing but would probably be under 0.05% anyway. But parked on the Canal wall (yes I am Lucky) afterwards cleaning the boat I have sometimes had a couple extra which would put me over the limit. So when is the boat secured and no longer "In use" because I am still on it, Key is in and motor running whilst it is flushing and getting a wash.
Lots of gray areas to be ironed out.

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  Boating is a little less

Mon, 2019-01-14 15:48

  Boating is a little less intense than motoring and if there are any alcohol restrictions are put place they may kick in at the old 0.08 road limit of the 80s and early 90s.

 

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 I try my best to go out

Mon, 2019-01-14 16:32

 I try my best to go out crabbing,squiding and fishing when there's very little boat traffic e.g. weekdays to avoid ramp rage and might have a couple depending on what I'm doing bet my balls I get done when there's no one on the water.

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Ramp rage is awsume fun

Mon, 2019-01-14 16:49

Most of ramp rage is caused from people who have no idea . Always said skippers ticket means crap. At ramps it shows. Some people have no idea. In and out simple. Lights off when reversing boat or retrieving boat. So you don't blind people. Easy simple, does it happen. No

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Long Game

Mon, 2019-01-14 17:19

This is a long game by the McClown government. It's not about making waterways safer it's about raising revenue in future generations.

Once it's in, it's in. There will be no winding back. Sure they might introduce .08 then it will go to .05 then eventually zero.

They are currently saying they dont intend to conduct RBT on the water but once the legislation is there, trust me, they will eventually use it

I see comments on here like "wont bother me" or "wont affect me" but I assure you it will affect your kids or grandkids.

In the future, do we really want boaties being hassled for RBT just for going about their daily business? 

We all should be lobbying for the strengthening of penalties for those that break current laws regarding safe vessel navigation

 

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 Honestly how much revenue do

Mon, 2019-01-14 17:28

 Honestly how much revenue do you think they'll raise from this? Probably the dumbest comment on this thread. You get 'hassled ' out driving in your car for RBT so why not in a boat?

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I'll tell you why

Mon, 2019-01-14 20:58

1. We do not drive cars into international territory in Australia

2. The risk of head on /rear ender collisions, hitting a power pole/ tree etc while 10 mile out to sea is pretty low.

3. The risks are not same despite some of the consequences possibly being the same

And how much revenue will they raise? Not much in the short term but like I say, once the legislation is in place it will be strengthened and abused

Its a long game SK - not designed to affect the current generation of boaties

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 it will only bother the

Mon, 2019-01-14 17:35

 it will only bother the generations to come if they are out there drinking. yes most of us enjoy a drink but it has its place and thats not on the roads or water . 

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IMO there will be RBT on the water

Mon, 2019-01-14 17:35

You are a dreamer if you believe that R B T checks won't be conducted on the water and at ramps, what's the point if they don't conduct checks.
How will it be implemented, easy, you get pinged on a RBT stop, you get booked, don't have another licenced RBL holder on-board no problem.
We will tow you to the nearest ramp and then you sort yourself out how to get the boat home But you didn't launch from that ramp, your problem. A RIB and a decent size water police boat for towing is all that is needed to conduct RBT at a suitable location on the river or in the harbours/mariners

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Alchohol and boating

Mon, 2019-01-14 18:52

gotta be honest I’m some what blown away that some people believe that it’s their right to be in control of a vehicle/vessel under the influence of alchohol or drugs ! Can’t imagine how these people would feel if they or part of their family got taken out by another boater that was pissed or they caused injury or worse to another boater if they were pissed ! 

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 Got me scratching my head

Mon, 2019-01-14 18:55

 Got me scratching my head mate.

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Dead right MB. The rights of

Mon, 2019-01-14 20:57

Dead right MB. The rights of my family to enjoy the marine environment in safety exceeds the rights of someone to drive their boat with a skinful.

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All I am saying

Mon, 2019-01-14 21:06

is there are laws currently in place

Nobody is allowed to operate a vessel and put others at risk, buy operating with a "skinful" already

Our judiciary system is to weak to deal with these offenders appropriately so offenders continue to offend.

If we need to change the current sobriety test with a breath test, that is fine, but do we need to set specific limits?

For the record, I dont operate a vessel under the influence of anything except fishing envy but I can see whats coming if we let this through

Rather hand out harsher penalties for current law breakers

 

BTW, I also think the McClown government has much bigger community issues to address that cause much greater harm than changing existing navigation laws

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The problem is you can’t

Tue, 2019-01-15 05:19

The problem is you can’t convict someone for being under the influence if there isn’t a specific line that defines it.

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Have you noticed a

Tue, 2019-01-15 10:39

Have you noticed a correlation between the "throw the book at them and conficate their car for taking an undersized crab", "Just bloody revenue raising" and the "I demand the right to have a skin full and drive my boat" posters?

Facts are, Alcohol reduces your reaction time, impededs your decssion making, lowers you inhibition leading to increased risk taking. Perfect ingredients for a day out on the water.

It is illegal to operate a vessel under the influence. This is just quantifing what "under the influence" is and giving the police a means of measuring it.

 

Now I enjoy a drink in the water as much as anyone, but just like if I drive to the pub, or have a beer after work on a friday, I watch what I drink and keep to the limit if  I'm driving.