New alcohol boating laws.
Submitted by Dale on Sun, 2019-01-06 10:33
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dodgy
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Idiots will be idiots
Idiots will be idiots regardless of whether it is legal or not. Be interesting to see what they actually end up getting through though.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Rob H
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will be interesting
And especially as to when you are actually "operating a vessel".
When at anchor?
Tied to a wharf?
When on a mooring?
When sterned up to the beach?
If any of the above, how would they ascertain who is the "operator" if noone puts their hand up?
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sea-kem
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Could be similar to motor
Could be similar to motor vehicle laws Rob, in car with keys under the influence then gone. I guess they could establish who is the owner and charge them if onboard. I don't have an isssue with it, hopefully bring some of the clowns on the river under control. The big thing will be with the floating palaces at Rotto, on board for a few nights and have a couple of wines with no intention of going anywhere, the skipper can't have anything? Tricky laws but I guess it works over east.
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dodgy
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Phew. Lucky I’m not key start
Phew. Lucky I’m not key start then.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
dodgy
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Can see an influx of
Can see an influx of borrowing a 16 year old with rst for overnighters at rotto.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Jackfrost80
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I thought you were off the
I thought you were off the red cans?
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
dodgy
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Substituted for bintangs this
Substituted for bintangs this week.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Willlo
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You nailed it Andy . Swan
You nailed it Andy . Swan River idiots are the main reason for this ,so now everyone in the state have to put up with more regulations . Wont worry me as i drive both boat and car so no way i can have a beer till i get home , another case of bringing in rules and regs for an idiot minority that do the wrong thing so everyone else has to cop it. Its probably a good thing for metro where its crowded and there are more idiots, will be hard to police though as others have said.
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Faulkner Family
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i believe it should be the
i believe it should be the same . boats can be as dangerous as cars in the wrong hands.
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stricko
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Bet they blitz the trailer
Bet they blitz the trailer boats on the long weekends and don't touch the gin palaces at rotto just another money grab if someone is playing up pull them up but random checks on the water is bullshit.
Faulkner Family
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i dont think random checks
i dont think random checks on the water is bullshit , i think its a good idea. plenty of boats on the water with plenty of booze flowing especially in places like rotto mandurah and rocko. if their stupid enough to drink and drive in anything they deserve to get done.
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meglodon
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Are yachts covered by these new laws
Having had a close encounter with a 30ft + yacht out of control and with the skipper and crew absolutely off their face coming back from Garden Island it is a very frightening experience I can tell you.
I think it is a good move, drunks on the water are just as bad as being behind the wheel on shore.
still trying
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I think that it is fine to be
I think that it is fine to be checking boatys just as dangerous really its making me think of those drunk airline pilot videos and how the hell they are alive.
rather be fishing
NightWolf
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i really dont see why people
i really dont see why people think to have a good time with friends fishing or just cruzing you need to drink alot i dont mind if people drink thats fine but when you have to many you still need to drive home as well...
dodgy
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The people that it would
The people that it would affect the most are those that don’t have to drive home though.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
petermac
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to true
when i was a young bloke living in k town me and the decky( still my decky) would go crabing of the back beach we wouldnt come home untill we had finished our carton of emu cans we had so many close calls it isnt funy booze and boats dont mix well decky always reminds me of when we went to south west reef of dampier and i fell asleep and he had to drive the boat and he had never diven 1 before and we had cyclone orson chasing us home
Bodie
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I agree wotj Dodgy and am a
I agree wotj Dodgy and am a bit on the fence with this. I see the need for it, but unfortauntely the few who turn into idiots wreck it for everyone else.
I wonder if this should be done by 'zone' instead of total state? I see areas like Exmouth, Karratha, Kunnanarra and so on being heavily impacted by this. Lots of these locations dont require you to use a car when back on land. Swan River, Mandurah Estuary, waters around Perth 100% agree
How would Abrolhos fit into this, you go over there and stay the night, one person cant drink??
How does it get enforced? IE: im driving the boat all day, been h aving a few, see old mate water police coming my way, have the MRs onboard who doesnt drink much at all, and say she's in control??
Jackfrost80
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I don’t have a particular
I don’t have a particular problem with the introduction of legislation because currently there is a huge gulf in between being sober and the inability to control one’s vessel as per current legislation and it is that idiot minority that really do ruin for everyone else and a line has to be drawn I guess. I usually just take the 3 stubbies out with me to enjoy on the water as I have to still jump in my car and drive home anyway along with the majority of skippers.
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Starbug
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Yes.... the legislation
Yes.... the legislation already exists, they are just clearly defining a level of alcohol that is permissable and a practical means to test for it.
At the moment it states it is an offence to NAVIGATE a vessel while under the influence of alcohol or drugs. So a vessel that is anchored, moored, or tied up to a jetty is exempt.
Billcollector
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Won't have to go out on the
Won't have to go out on the water they will just clog up the ramps and check you as you pull up.
Should be interesting if they blitz the Fitzroy while we are trolling for barra....Just toss out the pick and tell em to fuck off
Travgrundy91
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I dont have an issue with
I dont have an issue with it, dont understand why everyone is happy to drive on the road under .05 but think they should be entitled to skipper a boat after a carton.
Here in Qld its a .05 limit for the skipper at all times (including at anchor) unless youre tied up to a jetty, marina or proper mooring. Skipper is also responsible for any passengers alcohol consumption as well.
Bryce Day
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That’s crap
That’s crap
little johnny
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Mmmm
Money grab, same as there cray proposal, same as heaveys at ramp few weeks ago, same as rangers ,good weather no parking lets book everyone.seems to me boaties taking it up the a/hole .
petermac
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seen to rember
a high profile wa female polition and her surgon hubby didn think it was bad when their boozed up son smashed their boat into a beacon on the swan river and choped of a girls lower leg they fought it for years when she claimed compo , the girl won in the end and funily enough hubby was struck of the medical register for beeing usless at his job and falsifiying his qualifications years later
sea-kem
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Very true Peter, and she was
Very true Peter, and she was a c$^^t. That entitled POS should have had the book thrown at him.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-23/boat-drink-driving-victim-calls-for-random-breath-testing-of-sk/6037166
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petermac
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your so right
your so right your son or mine would have ended up behind bars , helps if your parents have money and you go to an elite private school , fuxxxxx entitled and spoilt dont describe him aparently he got a nice porsche for his 18th
IncognitOh
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In this incident
This cock was already breakng the current laws.
The propsed legislation won't prevent a repeat of this unless cops are on the water 24/7
The incident referred to, above, occured after 11pm
I've written to my local member opposing the changes but then again I dont have to deal with pisswrecked trailer boaties at ramps or see any of the nonesense most of you blokes see.
Oldbull
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not a problem
in my view. I will have 2 or 3 stubbies while crabbing over 4 hours so it wont affect me but it is the blokes that get pissed and then act like hoons on the river or estuary and then putting the boat back on the trailer and driving home. Probably better for coppers to sit off from a boat ramp after australia day and get the boozed up ones driving home. Make them park up their car and boat on a verge overnight....
uncle
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Won't worry
Me.
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Need to take a look at this
Need to take a look at this from a practical perspective.
If this does come in I guess it begs the question that if you are on the open water and you have had a couple of beers and the water police come up to you and you blow over . . . . . . What are you going to do ?
I am assuming you can’t take the boat any further so how are you supposed to get back to shore ? Can’t really call a taxi or swim ?
Faulkner Family
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possibly escorted to nearest
possibly escorted to nearest ramp , that would be the practical answer
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Cruise Control
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Can’t see them taking boats
Can’t see them taking boats off general policing duties to escort Pissed Pete’s back to a ramp.
Besides, who would skipper Pete’s boat, surely if Pete had blown over they couldn’t allow him behind the wheel again. It defeats the whole purpose.
What if there’s a run of Pissed Pete’s, do they have enough police boats ? Be interesting to see what they come up with
Pitty
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I was talking about this to a
I was talking about this to a friend of mine who is an ex wa copper and now in the water police in Victoria and he was saying they rarely breathalise someone unless he looks really pissed because they have to tow the boat in and leaves them with a whole lot of difficulties
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crasny1
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I have no idea how this would work
Don't suspect RBT's on water.
But Crabbing on Saturday in Mandurah the "hoon" boaters speeding past holding can's and generally making fools of themselves dodging the 100's of pots would get targeted I suspect.
The average boater cruising about minding their own business I suspect will not be targeted for a breatho even if they had a few.
Now I do have a couple whilst crabbing but would probably be under 0.05% anyway. But parked on the Canal wall (yes I am Lucky) afterwards cleaning the boat I have sometimes had a couple extra which would put me over the limit. So when is the boat secured and no longer "In use" because I am still on it, Key is in and motor running whilst it is flushing and getting a wash.
Lots of gray areas to be ironed out.
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Manfish
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Boating is a little less
Boating is a little less intense than motoring and if there are any alcohol restrictions are put place they may kick in at the old 0.08 road limit of the 80s and early 90s.
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I try my best to go out
I try my best to go out crabbing,squiding and fishing when there's very little boat traffic e.g. weekdays to avoid ramp rage and might have a couple depending on what I'm doing bet my balls I get done when there's no one on the water.
little johnny
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Ramp rage is awsume fun
Most of ramp rage is caused from people who have no idea . Always said skippers ticket means crap. At ramps it shows. Some people have no idea. In and out simple. Lights off when reversing boat or retrieving boat. So you don't blind people. Easy simple, does it happen. No
IncognitOh
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Long Game
This is a long game by the McClown government. It's not about making waterways safer it's about raising revenue in future generations.
Once it's in, it's in. There will be no winding back. Sure they might introduce .08 then it will go to .05 then eventually zero.
They are currently saying they dont intend to conduct RBT on the water but once the legislation is there, trust me, they will eventually use it
I see comments on here like "wont bother me" or "wont affect me" but I assure you it will affect your kids or grandkids.
In the future, do we really want boaties being hassled for RBT just for going about their daily business?
We all should be lobbying for the strengthening of penalties for those that break current laws regarding safe vessel navigation
sea-kem
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Honestly how much revenue do
Honestly how much revenue do you think they'll raise from this? Probably the dumbest comment on this thread. You get 'hassled ' out driving in your car for RBT so why not in a boat?
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IncognitOh
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I'll tell you why
1. We do not drive cars into international territory in Australia
2. The risk of head on /rear ender collisions, hitting a power pole/ tree etc while 10 mile out to sea is pretty low.
3. The risks are not same despite some of the consequences possibly being the same
And how much revenue will they raise? Not much in the short term but like I say, once the legislation is in place it will be strengthened and abused
Its a long game SK - not designed to affect the current generation of boaties
Faulkner Family
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it will only bother the
it will only bother the generations to come if they are out there drinking. yes most of us enjoy a drink but it has its place and thats not on the roads or water .
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meglodon
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IMO there will be RBT on the water
You are a dreamer if you believe that R B T checks won't be conducted on the water and at ramps, what's the point if they don't conduct checks.
How will it be implemented, easy, you get pinged on a RBT stop, you get booked, don't have another licenced RBL holder on-board no problem.
We will tow you to the nearest ramp and then you sort yourself out how to get the boat home But you didn't launch from that ramp, your problem. A RIB and a decent size water police boat for towing is all that is needed to conduct RBT at a suitable location on the river or in the harbours/mariners
Marineboy
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Alchohol and boating
gotta be honest I’m some what blown away that some people believe that it’s their right to be in control of a vehicle/vessel under the influence of alchohol or drugs ! Can’t imagine how these people would feel if they or part of their family got taken out by another boater that was pissed or they caused injury or worse to another boater if they were pissed !
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sea-kem
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Got me scratching my head
Got me scratching my head mate.
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Jackfrost80
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Dead right MB. The rights of
Dead right MB. The rights of my family to enjoy the marine environment in safety exceeds the rights of someone to drive their boat with a skinful.
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IncognitOh
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All I am saying
is there are laws currently in place
Nobody is allowed to operate a vessel and put others at risk, buy operating with a "skinful" already
Our judiciary system is to weak to deal with these offenders appropriately so offenders continue to offend.
If we need to change the current sobriety test with a breath test, that is fine, but do we need to set specific limits?
For the record, I dont operate a vessel under the influence of anything except fishing envy but I can see whats coming if we let this through
Rather hand out harsher penalties for current law breakers
BTW, I also think the McClown government has much bigger community issues to address that cause much greater harm than changing existing navigation laws
dodgy
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The problem is you can’t
The problem is you can’t convict someone for being under the influence if there isn’t a specific line that defines it.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Starbug
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Have you noticed a
Have you noticed a correlation between the "throw the book at them and conficate their car for taking an undersized crab", "Just bloody revenue raising" and the "I demand the right to have a skin full and drive my boat" posters?
Facts are, Alcohol reduces your reaction time, impededs your decssion making, lowers you inhibition leading to increased risk taking. Perfect ingredients for a day out on the water.
It is illegal to operate a vessel under the influence. This is just quantifing what "under the influence" is and giving the police a means of measuring it.
Now I enjoy a drink in the water as much as anyone, but just like if I drive to the pub, or have a beer after work on a friday, I watch what I drink and keep to the limit if I'm driving.