old fellers that drowned of penguin island
Submitted by petermac on Thu, 2017-03-30 19:47
i was down at bent st ramp this arvo , it hit home how easy it is to come unstuck on the water , the boat the old fellers were on was being recovered by the water police when you see that it hits home how every thing can go wrong so easily when your out there
lurch
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I still reckon that it should
I still reckon that it should be mandatory that life jackets be worn whilst on a boat regardless of waters.
D_d_001
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have some friends who
have some friends who (permanently) live on a 50' boat. (perth) don't think they would be too impressed.
sleeping would just get uncomfortable !!!
Ashen
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Life jackets
I reckon life jackets shouldn't be made compulsary. Yes, boats should have enough life jackets on board to cater for the number of people aboard. But it is up to the boaters to put it on when out and about on the ocean.
However, I do believe that it should be compulsary for young kids to wear life jackets as soon as they step onto a boat.
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If there was a practical way
If there was a practical way to make such a law then great, I'm all for it.
But where is the line to be drawn?
Do kids doing bombies offa boat need to wear pfd's?
What about kids sleeping aboard?
Whar about families on a cruise ship?
Sometimes we need to make our own decisions.
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Pretty simple stuff really.
Pretty simple stuff really. If the kids are in an open part of a boat that is moving then they wear a PFD.
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Rob H
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Try writing that up as a law.
Education is the key.
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Jackfrost80
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If they can write the use of
If they can write the use of child car restraints into law covering children from 0-7 years with a multitude of variances of restraint designs and vehicle configurations I'm sure compulsory use of life jackets would be a walk in the park.
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Umm seatbelts
Umm seatbelts
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Jackfrost80
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Spot on Andy. From the early
Spot on Andy. From the early 60 to the early/mid 70's there was a national public education push to encourage the voluntary use of seatbelts which was largely ineffective but once it was made law the road toll dropped by 15-20% across the states practically overnight.
I'm sure all the old stuck in their way types moaned about that legislation back then too
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Alan James
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Really
Once you provide precise definitions for:
I'm all ears.
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Kids: Children under 12 (for
Kids: Children under 12 (for arguements sake, could be older)
Open: The deck of a boat or a bow if applicable, I actually make my kids wear their jackets in the cuddy cab too
Part: Now you're being ridiculous
Boat: That's already defined in the RST legislation
Moving: Not stationary
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D_d_001
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interesting statistcs
Have a bit of a look into the national drowning report 2016 and interestingly enough the 10 year average for boat, ocean/harbour related drowning in people under the age of 18 is 0. and not a single death in under 18 year old 15/16 year. (fairly hard to improve on statistics like that, and probably a factor in a decision to not legislate child jacket wearing.) highest deaths was in the male 35-44 year old.
While of course a life jacket on a child can definitely save a life. Have to say :comparing seatbelt wearing (where hundreds of child deaths directly related to not wearing seatbelts to child drowning in boats (where the long term average is 0 deaths per year) seems a bit strange to me.
FWIW I definitely respect your right to make your kids wear jackets and also the fact that a lot of parent do insist their children wear jackets may have an impact on the long term statistics.
Jackfrost80
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Yeah ya right and I'd be
Yeah ya right and I'd be willing to bet that the voluntary compliance rate for children in that age bracket (especially under 12) would be 95-98% based on my observations however I was only answering the questions on how a law could be formed and not advocating for a law for only children to wear PFDs.
The 2015/16 RSLSWA annual report also states that there were 52 ocean related deaths in the previous year and 62% of them are attributed to boating which makes 32 people which was an increase of 30% on the 10 year average . At what point do we start to question the effectiveness of education?
I'll put my hand up and say I don't wear one when I am not solo or taking the kids out on my own.
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D_d_001
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No probs and reply was to
No probs and reply was to your post but really just debate to all I guess.
yeah for sure no way to know about percentage who voluntarily make their young ones wear jackets. possibly it is 95-98%. whatever is happening it seems to be working. (with kids) guess it's a bit like the old GW debates. how many extra people per year have boats and use them off shore with kids etc etc.
Read somewhere that a big percentage of boating deaths occur from being hit by props etc but don't have details on that one. (goes back to OP and another thread where skippers assessments were in question and specifically "backing up on MOB")
Guess my main point is:
Introducing legislation to try to save lives where none are lost in the first place seems like big waste of time.
Edit MOB = man overboard ....NOT money over b.....s :)
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maybe
Maybe we should never cross the road
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Maybe accept responsibility
Maybe accept responsibility for your own decisions. Man up and take it on the chin when you f#$^ up instead of looking for someone else to blame. Or create more unenforceable rules that overzealous officials can misinterpret . Why not they don't call WA the nanny state for nothing. You can't keep making knee jerk decisions everytime someone stuffs up or we might as well all live in a bubble. FFS there is a school down my way that is banning the kids from doing cartwheels in the playground what next.
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The simple solution to this
The simple solution to this one is don't go out in a 3m swell. Very sorry for the people involved but making stupid decisions to head out in seas like that is simply asking for trouble.
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Torbs75
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Well said sea-kem, feel
Well said sea-kem, feel sorry for all involved but to go out in that size swell was not the best idea. People need take accountability for their own actions and not make the government put more restrictions on every thing we do.
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They weren't to impressed with some of
The skippers ticket training/passing in the west this morning either
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Does anyone know what
Does anyone know what happened? the swell may have had nothing to do with it.
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Iceman
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Logging On
Not sure of the whole story but if they had logged on and given a return time and that return time passed a search would have commenced and they may have been found alive or a least told a family members when they would be back. Will never know the whole story.
The responsibility of wearing a life jacket comes down to the skipper. As a sea rescue group all our members are required to wear a life jacket before we leave the marina regardless of the weather.
There are many types of life jackets (manual and self inflating) that are quite comfortable to wear, I know because we can be out for up to 8 hours on a rescue or search.
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