reel choice?

hey guys.

 

recently had to retire my go to spinning rod as tip got smashed, and too old /damaged to warrant replacing.

im looking for a new setup for casting lures etc when out deep, partcularly at the fads, or when coming across bust ups etc.

dont like to go too heavy as like the fight/feel.

mainly be targetting: dollies, tailor, small tuna if im lucky. and would hopefully like something with enough strenght to be in with a chance in case i ever manage to fluke a YTK!

been ages since ive had to buy a spinning rod, so unsure where to look.

looking to sppol with maybe 20-30lb briad.

im not particuallry adept at overhead, so looking at nomral spining style.

not looking for anything ridiculous, but happy to spend up anywhere up to around the $300 mark for the rod, and simlar or maybe 350 -400 for the reel.

 

 

also looking for a good desiganted trolling rod and reel setup. , hopefully for maccs, tuna etc. as likely be doing more of this if the new bans come in!.

 

if anyone has any suggestions of what has worked for them, or currently looks good, i would love to hear your opinions.

 

thanks heaps guys!

Goat.

 


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Trolling advice

Sat, 2022-11-19 21:14

... mention Covid-19 vaccines and you will get an instant bite (my apologies to all for that poor taste joke).

On a more serious note, if looking for one dedicated trolling outfit, I would consider some of the following;
- Look to set yourself up with something close to 50lb line (I upgraded my 30lb trolling to 50lb).
- Mono vs Braid: many people have now successfully adopted braid for trolling. Both Mono & Braid have their advantages, I would go mono if overhead and braid (50lb) if spinning. Braid because you get the strength, extra line and most importantly, a thinner diameter to help keep lures down. Mono is more forgiving (offers stretch in line), but then I can use my trolling spinning outfit (with braid) as a backup bottom bouncing/jigging rod if need be.
- By going 50lb you are then better equipped to troll larger high speed weighted skirted lures, deep divers, etc... that will push the limits of lighter outfits.
- Rod guides are very important for trolling. Far too many trolling rods get snapped near the tip when a lure breaks the surface and the line whips a laso back over the rod, so ensure you have guides (eg. rollers, roller top guide or turbo like guides) that will let the line slip back off (important for overhead rods, not so much for spinning rods).
- Overhead reels have louder ratchet/clickers so you can better hear when fish strike or weed starts taking drag.
- I would not bother paying extra for a 2 speed option overhead ... you will rarely if ever use the low speed ratio.
- Overhead reels provide more line capacity and strong drag but modern spinning reels now provide enough drag plus braid offers more line capacity and are a little more comfortable to fish with.
- Overhead reels offer some specialised trolling hookup tricks that are harder to do with spinning gear (eg. a quick free spool after a non hookup strike or being able to precisely adjust preset drag pressures).

I swap between a dedicated roller overhead (6") with a Tiagra 30W loaded with 50lb mono and a spinning outfit Shimano Heavy Duty Terez (40lb-100lb) 6"9' with a BG6500 loaded with 50lb Tasline braid. Both have caught large pelagics. I prefer the Tiagra for long trolling high speed or where billfish and bigger pelagics are in play (see my current profile pic of Dirk Hartog Wahoo caught on dedicated Wahoo weighted high speed skirt rig) and I prefer the spinning outfit when trolling slower (<8knots) for Mackies when I'll be watching the setup more intently.

Before shopping, definately have a good think about what type of lures and speeds you are likely to be trolling ... don't go too light if you want options.

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 Definitely..

Sat, 2022-11-19 21:16

 Definitely..

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Spinning gear

Sat, 2022-11-19 16:37

 My choice would be one of the gold series Ugly Stik range around 7-8 foot.

As you stated you are not too keen on an overhead so eggbeater it is, any of the main brands mid size reels will suit what you need.

Line size, for tailor, herring and salmon I use 30lb braid and the same with mono, its very rare to break off  when you have a straiht run and no obstacles, gives you a good capacity and the thinner diameter allows you to cast furthwr that with the heavier lines.

Always fascinates me when you see these blokes casting for salmon and boasting they are using 60-80 lb braid on 6kg fish, no skill needed there

 

My rod is an 8 foot ugly with an Abu 6500ca5, 30lb braid, can cast a metal slice as far as I can hurl a mulie and a 4oz sinker on my 12 Butterworth 8 wrap beach rod, the rig is over 30 years old and still works the magic.

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Setup

Sat, 2022-11-19 20:20

 For casting reels would suggest Shimano Saragosa 5000XG or Daiwa Saltist MQ 5000D-H 

Would suggest some nice pe 2/2.5/3 braid, well worth investing in good stuff.

For rods would suggest daiwa demon blood S702-2/3 - good alrounder 7foot

or demon blood S83-2/4 - bit heavier and bit longer for better casting

or same models in daiwa saltist hyper.

also look for shimano grappler type c in:

70L- pe 2.5 nice light stick that casts well 

73ML - pe3 shorter medium stick but still casts well (7'3")

77M - pe3  7'7" pe3 rod that casts very well

 

but in general look for roughly a 5000(ideally) (4000-6000) reel, in high or extra high speed,

spool up with pe 2-3

rod in the pe 2/3.4 range

in a length that suits around 7-8foot

7foot is good for general, good for casting as well as floatlinging and plastics,

8 foot is good for distance, and can be used LB.

I have the 5000 saragosa on the S83 demon blood with pe2.5

casts amazing and plenty of power

got my mahi as shown in previous report with no probs

 

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 On the money with the Demon

Sat, 2022-11-19 21:14

 On the money with the Demon Blood's Josh, I have 3 in my armoury and they are unbreakable. 

 

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Great advice above. I

Sun, 2022-11-20 06:09

Great advice above. I completely agree.

trolling wise you don't need to go huge in my opinion. A shimano speedmaster or talica (if the budget gets there) in a size 12 will hold more than enough 40 to 50lbs braid and have plenty of drag to stop most things. Pair it with a demon blood as well. Much lighter than anything else so you can feel the fish.

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 I fully agree with CD on the

Mon, 2022-11-21 11:29

 I fully agree with CD on the Speedmaster or Talica. I was in Exmouth and the Mackerel Islands recently and we had those on board and also Tiagras. The size and weight of the Speedmaster and Talicas make them so nice to fish with. On the spinning reel, I bought a saltwater Stradic SW 6000XG for that trip and it was bloody awesome! About $400 at BCF. I cast with it to pelagics, bottom-bounced up to 70m, trolled Laser Pros for mackies and it never missed a beat. We were with a well-known reel service guy and he bascially said stick with Shimano these days. Better support and easier to find parts.

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Great advice above. I

Sun, 2022-11-20 06:10

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 Yep plus 1 on the demon

Sun, 2022-11-20 10:55

 Yep plus 1 on the demon bloods coupled to Saragossa. Also saltist hyper with finnor offshore reels,bit clunky/ heavy but I reckon one of the best drags out there tough as fuck and cheap too ! I see the new DB's are red now

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SOME AWESOME INFORMATIN GUYS

Mon, 2022-11-21 13:53

SOME AWESOME INFORMATIN GUYS .

really appreciate the responses, and the time takn.

th e demon bloodsdoo look good. i have one for bottom bouncing, and it has hndled some mega floggings from sharks.  reckon i will look into one of these.

will let you lnow how i go!

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Lighter option

Mon, 2022-11-21 14:33

 Love my Saragosas and the advice above is spot on. The Saragosa 5000XG and 6000HG seem almost identical, but the 6000 has a deeper spool for holding more line. Both cast the same with full spools and have max drag of 10kg.

If you are mainly flicking lures at smaller pelagics & tailor, and want something easy to use all day, the Shimano Vanford 5000XG is also a good option as it is much lighter than the Saragosas. Nice to cast, max 11kg drag. Line capacity very similar to the Saragosa 5000XG.

All of these are great reels for the same sort of price. I feel the Saragosas might take knocks and last a bit better than the Vanford, but if I was throwing small lures all day I'd favour the lighter Vanford. If I want a good all rounder then maybe two spools for the Saragosa, fitting 30lb on one and 50lb the other.

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 I like Saragosa's but have

Mon, 2022-11-21 16:06

 I like Saragosa's but have not used a Vanford. Comparing the Saragosa and the saltwater Stradic, the Stradic has similar specs but 12kg drag and is a bit lighter and a bit more expensive. I agree that the Saragosa are probably more robust and that's why quite a few charter operators have them.

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so just picked up a demon

Thu, 2022-11-24 11:39

so just picked up a demon blood 8'3, pe 2-4, paired with a seragosa 5000xg with pe 2 (veriva casting braid). super stoked.

ended up gogin the 8'3 2-4 as already have a tcurve 7'3  so this will fill a new niche.  and prob better casting if shore bsed. went the seragosa as unfortunately despite best intetntions my stuff gets knocked aorund a bit, so figured my last a bit better. thoguh did have a look at the vanfords and they are soooo light!

 

btw, blue water tackle in jondalup havinga black friday sale, managed to gtet the setup at a very good price cmpared to everywhere else i had looked. very helpful too.

 

thanks heaps for all the advice! hopefully can hook something decent on it soon, and put it thorugh its paces!

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 That should be a nicely

Thu, 2022-11-24 12:27

 That should be a nicely weighted outfit Seagoat 

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 Sounds perfect for what you

Thu, 2022-11-24 13:24

 Sounds perfect for what you want mate. The Saragosa will be the right choice I think as they are pretty solid reels. The newer model is even better than the old one too.

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 I put a gomexus knob on my

Thu, 2022-11-24 16:55

 I put a gomexus knob on my 6000 saragosa love it. Want to put one on my 10000 now 

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 What is it you like about

Fri, 2022-11-25 10:32

 What is it you like about the Gomexus knob? Might look to put one on my SW Stradic.

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 I just way prefer the feel

Fri, 2022-11-25 13:20

 I just way prefer the feel of the round ball knob, i put 1 on a stella years ago loved it since then pretty cheap on eBay and its only undoing a screw and swapping out. I don't mind the stock knob but way prefer the other and they look mint.

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 Thanks mate. I'll grab one

Mon, 2022-11-28 10:54

 Thanks mate. I'll grab one and see for myself!

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 Highly reccomend the

Thu, 2022-11-24 17:51

 Highly reccomend the saragosa's, i've got a 6000 and 10000, very happy with them, the 6k is perfect for 30lb braid. They are well sealed reels too and will last.

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 Shimano have great backup

Fri, 2022-11-25 11:00

 Shimano have great backup parts service if you do your own reel servicing.

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 I must be one of the unlucky

Fri, 2022-11-25 14:19

 I must be one of the unlucky ones I have two gosas and have had issues with both of them a few times now  , don't think I'd buy another one again , but good luck with your purchase mate 

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 Sorry to hear mate, what

Sat, 2022-11-26 06:44

 Sorry to hear mate, what were the issues would you mind me asking? Did they sort it ouit on warranty?

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 Sorry to hear mate, what

Sat, 2022-11-26 06:44

 Sorry to hear mate, what were the issues would you mind me asking? Did they sort it ouit on warranty?