They closed Cockburn Sound for crabbing in 2005 for 2 years to allow for juviniles to grow here we are 17 years later and still haven't grown. I wonder what the percentage of fishermen that actually catch a Dhu each trip compared to those that don,t. That was a survey never done.
I am convinced that the 'research' carried out is monitoring social media and listening to a few high profile 'angler magazine' people that get to whisper in the ear of people that can influence change.
They need to have community consultation online so that it is recorded and everyone has the chance to have their say. Not some bullshit meeting held on a wednesday night no one will attend.
What about the fisheries facebook or an independant website, fisheries can answer all of the communities questions during a month long consulation period. At least we would have the opportunity to have a say.
I'd just like to see fisheries justify their statistical position on the recreational take. The rec sector needs to be accountable, but nobody will accept blind accountability without a fair and accurate appraisal of their actual impact.
A "community consultation" for 1 night at the local yacht club just doesn't cut it these days. There are too many stakeholders involved to keep it that narrow. Jim's idea of an extended online forum where Fisheries MUST be a participant is a winner. It's the only avenue to actual transparency.
Didn't the QUANGO Reckfish make a big noise about only agreeing to the reduction on the basis of it being for 12 months & the introduction of shark mitigation measures. Consult widely is absolute BS. It's well known that fishermen are not capable of organising themselves into a voice which must be heard. The toothless QUANGO Reckfish is absolutely useless. They provide wonderful advertisement for the opponents of fishing. You can go to any or all of their meetings but what's the use if they don't really have any real influence in what has already been decided.
There are some successful fishermen on this site so average how many Dhu,s would you bring in for the year. I am retired fish often and will kickit off at 6.
Maybe recucing take is the only tool Fisheries can think of, but I reckon many other facotrs beyond fishing pressure must be having a negative effect on stocks if they don't bounce back. Could be water quality, ocean productivity, habait loss and so on, but I can't accept that current fishing pressure is the be all and end all. Look at the Cockburn Sound crabs and so on
They can only push so much before we have to push back. Like I mentioned before, if I see them at the ramp it's "no speak engish" they can't do research if no one gives them info or frames. Then we know it's a crock o shit when they come back with "findings". They aren't getting a sniff of my esky and I'll sign a petition. On another note hopefully I'll be able to upgrade the ski without having to donate a kidney aswell.
If they want to do true research they should look at the numbers of fish people are losing to sharks . Reduce the numbers of sharks in our waters and the fish stocks will bounce back.
Omg Faulkner I bang on about this when I'm ever in a conversation about fishing.... Let's "fish for the future" and protect the stocks, don't worry about the fucking sharks up north taking 75% of the fish on our lines and most recs (not me) going through 40 fish to get there 5. They seem to be creeping further and further south now aswel. Absolute joke. Annoys me to the moon and back
It's not just up north that has probs with sharks. I'm talking in general as I have read on here about the amount of people having their fish taken by big sharks in metro waters. We copped the same when I was down home over Xmas . My son had a nice size fish on t he hook which we think was a dhuie as we only just saw it in the depths and then bang , taken by a huge Noah.
Demersal per person. Not a 5 month ban .( was on cards) So you go to your favourite ground. You drop get a double header . Black ass and pink day over lol. It’s just dumb . Not going to change a thing . Just more dead fish floating . 99 percent of the time I fish alone. Most the time I work close and work outwards . Go for kgs . Baldies . Get a feed then go for dhues . Boat limits work. Bag limits don’t . Going to fuck charter boats also. I’ve been around a while, save the crabs simple don’t take females 1 male can do many girls . Females always stay longer than males . There normally full of eggs internal .24 hour round the clock pros get them in traps .Let pros catch gummys in sound . Which also saves crabs and provides pros good income ( instead of pinks) . Win win . Where’s the guy from my previous post ( it won’t happen) . It’s coming going to have chain effect on fishing shops everyone . Anyway make the most of it why you can . April will be doomsday . I wonder if they will put out on April fools day . Now that would be funny . I am no scientist. But if what I heard is true it’s dumb . At least sharks will get to eat more
Gummy numbers in the Sound have increased exponentially and it is their feeding habits (eating crabs) that are keeping numbers down in the Sound. Looks like they, the gummies, are going to cop a hammering if these new limits come in. Got one the other day and it had six small blue swimmer crabs in its gut .....says it all
Shooters/hunters have been the target of ever increasing restrictions for some time. Now the same lobby groups are coming for our fishing rights. Death by a thousand cuts. Good luck trying to motivate people to get of their ass to stand up for anything. If you haven't worked out what their real motivation is you must be living in another world. Better get used to eating tofu and daffodils
Looks like I will be selling the Boat: Buy a Fishing Kayak- No Fishing Licence Fee required to Pay, No Boat Rego Fee to Pay, No Trailer Rego Fee to Pay, No Flares and Epirb to Pay, No Fuel to Pay, No Boat Outboard Servicing to Pay, No Boat Insurance to Pay.... and catch my 12 limit herring!
Changes to boost recovery of demersal scalefish stocks
McGowan Government backs recommendation to boost recovery of demersal scalefish stocks from Kalbarri to Augusta
Industry-led reference group recommended catch reductions to help stocks recover following new scientific assessment
Recreational and commercial sectors have an important role in recovery effort
Consultation with industry bodies and fishers on management options to follow
New measures will be developed to boost the recovery of West Coast demersal scalefish to ensure there are stocks of these prized fish for the future.
These measures follow the release of the latest scientific stock assessment of pink snapper and dhufish, two key demersal indicator species, issued in November 2021. This stock assessment found the West Coast Demersal Scalefish Resource (WCDSR) was not recovering fast enough to safeguard the sustainability of these prized fish.
The State Government has accepted the recommendation of an industry-led Harvest Strategy Reference Group to reduce the total catch for demersal species by 50 per cent to meet 2030 recovery targets.
The State Government has also accepted another recommendation of the Reference Group to investigate and prioritise additional measures to support recovery, reduce fish mortality and improve management and research of the resource.
This includes consideration of measures such as stock enhancement opportunities, targeted protection for spawning activity and recruitment pulses, increasing education of post-release mortality, investigation into shark depredation, and additional management, monitoring and compliance resources.
The Reference Group, comprising of Recfishwest, Marine Tourism WA, WA Fishing Industry Council (WAFIC) and the Department of Primary Industries and Regional Development (DPIRD), considered the latest scientific stock assessment of pink snapper and dhufish stocks against recovery targets.
Under the 2010-2030 recovery plan for the resource, demersal stocks have not recovered fast enough to safeguard the future sustainability of the valued fish. Current management arrangements have helped halt the decline in dhufish and pink snapper indicator species stocks, but more needs to be done to ensure recovery of stocks, particularly of older
breeding fish.
Consistent with the recommendation to halve total catch limits and the principles of the WCDSR Harvest Strategy 2021-25, the new total catch limit for demersal species will be 375 tonnes, reduced from 750 tonnes, with 240 tonnes allocated for the commercial sector and 135 tonnes for the recreational and charter sectors, in line with existing integrated fisheries management (IFM) allocations.
DPIRD will work closely with the fishing sectors to develop management options to meet the new catch limits and additional measures to reduce fish mortality. The State Government welcomes any proposals from the sector to assist with the implementation of the new total catch limits for demersal species to meet the 2030 recovery targets.
The proposed management options to support the recovery of demersal fish stocks are due to be released for wider public consultation in April.
More information on the stock assessment is available from DPIRD's website.
Comments attributed to Fisheries Minister Don Punch:
"The sustainable management of our West Coast Demersal Scalefish Resource is based on world class fisheries science and research.
"For the past 11 years, our commercial and recreational fishers have done their part to help these valuable fish stocks to recover, but it is clear we need to do more.
"I would like to acknowledge the work of Recfishwest, Marine Tourism WA, WA Fishing Industry Council and DPIRD for supporting a reduction in allowable take that will help boost the recovery back to sustainable levels.
"It is vitally important we continue to work together on new measures and management options that ensure we have these important fish for the future."
To-day is the last day of the Abbe season for this 2022 but after the mass kill of asbalone north of the new Ocean reef marina the caretakers of our fishing will probably reduce or ban takeing them next year.
There was no "mass kill" of abalone north of the marina. The only ones that died were inside the marina. This was entirely expected and accounted for in the setting of catch limits for this and future seasons.
Catch Per Unit Effort is one method. Basically, 1- 6 boats (Units) fish a dedicated "test" area for kilogram per hour. (Nice work if you can get it) Some Knowledge can be obtained from this procedure but IMO it's not an accurate method for counting all Demersal stocks, especially Dhufish and Pink snapper.
Since the demersal "reduction", I'm guessing ...20,000 new rec fishing license's? Fisheries will use a percentage of what (historically) those license #'s amount to.
Commercials are laughing, price of Demer$al$ will double at least and they can come back in at half time, half the ice, tackle, bait, etc.etc. needed for same result, may as well get a smaller boat.
It's done, signed and sealed, nothing anybody can do about it, they have made up their minds and now just trying to look like a responsible management group saying they will put it out for consultation and consideration, what a load of crap, the decision has been made.
Nothing said about 50% reduction in all costs associated with recreational and for that matter commercial fishing which is continuing to rise.
Tackle shops will close, people will stop fishing or some will run the gauntlet and take their chances, some of these rsearchers and Politicians (bullshit artists) need to be remindful that you don't bite the hand that feeds you, in this case the recreational fisherperson.
You could go on and on how boat sales and prices will crash etc etc etc, do we have a right to be angry? yes we do, can we do anything about it? no we can't.
with about the same amount of coastline. So assume that the proportion of people going fishing as a percentage of population is about the same.So 90% of Australia's fishing occurs on the east coast, with a lot more settlements up and down the coast. Most areas on the east coast are accessible by trailer boat. On the west coat we have much fewer settlements with greater distance between them (look at Shark Bay to Kalbarri, Mandurah to Bunbury) so by default we have all these relatively unfished areas as protection and breeding zones. Lets say draw a 25mile radius around each reasonable boat ramp, there is a lot of area untouched by recreational anglers in boats. This allows fish stocks to reach there maximum biomass in these areas and maintain it. So the question here is, where did they do their sampling on fish stocks from? The local boat ramp? Diving and counting fish? (I don't think so). Get them to fill out a census form? Perhaps their samples were done in highly populated areas, what about the rest of the coastline?
So we have 10% of the fishing pressure compared to the East coast, with a large area of virtually unfished territory, so look at the east coast bag limits:
So increased spawning protection ie close sound for longer or entirely just before they destroy the sound with harbour, close all demersal season longer and 50% catch reduction so 1 fish per trip what a joke.
At least stop all the salmom nets down south need something to catch.
If it ends up 1 per day, then in theory each fisher could take 365 demersals per year. I take well less than 10% of that, but when I chase pinks for the table it is usually for a special meal with friends and family, so I'm after couple. I' would be very unlikley to reach an annual pinky catch of 30 per year. A reduced season would be much better for me than reducing the bag limit to 1.
The research!! ( World class fisheries science) ( world's best practices) heard these a few times. They say this like we can actually trust them. Who would beleive this so called research is done bipartisan... or done to achieve the outcome thet wanted! What we all know is we are about to get the pineapple...we have been let down by rec-fish. A group by name alone that is supposed to represent the average fisher-personal, (our voice in the political environment) . WE HAVE ALL BEEN SOLD OUT. Fishing is a expensive freedom. We have all had to pay to stay in a recreation that was free not that long ago. We take the new licensing fees, we deal with the trip reductions, reduced bag limits, and they come back with let's cut them in half again! Sad to say it's probably not the end either. This needs a bit of push back at least.. rec-fish needs a rocket. The petishion should go to them.. represent us fairly or f--k off. I'll sign first.
But who do you believe this day and age ,
The Gov ?
The public servant ?
The tackle stores/internet sellers that just want to sell more stuff ?
Where is all the talk about Aquafarming and restocking and using our Lic fees ?
Are we Shaw that these Gov Dep't are giving use all the right/truthful info or
are they just protecting there Dep't jobs ?
No trust when it comes down to the $$$$.
Does the Boss/dissension makers/GOV give a shit when he/she is no longer the Boss/dissension maker/GOV ?
And then there's COVID Tax.
There's only one type of person that all this effects I think,
that is the person at the bottom of the life chain,
lives on wages and struggles to keep afloat and cant pass on any prices increases to someone else.
prefer to keep the 2 demersals but drop the lower size limit. Far too many 49cm dhuis hauled up quickly to avoid a shark and then dropped back to die. Most of us catch an undersize fish each trip. Better to keep that in the esky than floating upside down. There will still be some people upsizing but probably less if they have 2 x smaller demersals and not chucking a 49 overboard chasing a 51.
it would be awesome if there was some way to stop the whole upgrade thing/upsizing or holding out for a bigger fish. this in particular really bugs me and i reckon has a huge impact, but reality is there is probably no way they could ever actually stop it.... relies on people taking it upon themselves to do the right things, but there always goign to be a population of numbnuts out there who dont give a damn about anyone else.
i dnt catch all that may fish, pretty rare i come home wiht my full bag, but will be a bit frustrtating if i drive an hour, catch 1 fish then have to call it. personally i am gogin to try up my pelagics game, maybe do more squiding, herring fishing etc.
would love to start diving, and do more snorkelling, but im a bit of a chicken and the sharks are starting to really play on my minid lol!
The proposed introduction of 50% reduction means dhufish is .5 per angler with a boat limit of 1 fish. If fishing solo you will have to decide if you like the head or tail and release the rest
The cost of catching a fish will double when the reduction comes into play, the average fisher can't afford this, perhaps that is how they plan to stop recreational fishers.
Just talking to a mate about that yesterday, when you add up all the expenses it makes our love of fishing for a day more expensive than a high class ho.
I've just fired off an email to my local member, nothing will change but you've got to let them know you're pissed off.
Where quotas and pro licenses are at currently compared to years ago is irrelevant. The current tonnage taken is still too high for effective recovery of demersal stocks according to Fisheries.
People will still be able to get a feed of fresh fish the same way they do now. It might just be something other than dhus and pinkies. There's no shortage of alternatives.
Licence buy backs give fishermen a chance to get out at a point where the resource they've relied on for profits has been smashed to a point where it's no longer sustainable (as a species or as a business). Businesses in other sectors just go under, buybacks aren't a bad outcome in comparison.
People aren't entitled to operate a business that relies on a finite natural resource that's been decimated just because there's a history there. If a fishery can't be sustainable on one of the most pristine and isolated coasts in the world then there really is something wrong.
So you reckon that, in the greater metro area, a large enough amount of demersal fish get taken by sharks, for that to be the biggest issue facing our easily targeted demersal fish that are under ever increasing pressure from a higher number of fishers and these fishers having every gizmo and bit of information and technology available to them, that you could ever hope for?
Why is it so hard for fisheries to make public the information they use to determine their decisions? all we get is the generic "stocks arent recovering" bullshit. Wreckfish will obviously say 'these changes are for the better, but they will voice the community concerns and Rec fishers ( ie: wangler) are telling us that we need these changes to support the fishery. The stocks are recovering, but not fast enough.' insert abuse here.
I dont think we would suffer any worse if wreckfishbest disappeared. How can we! one bloody demersal! how can we do worse!
Wagyls post explains things pretty clearly. how can they justify these changes?
I just hope we can stand together to fight this in some way. 'In person' events dont work for us, we have busy lives. We need to do it online somehow so we can get the numbers and momentum to make us heard!
Hopefully something manifests cause it would be a shame to go down the same path we have gone down again and again.
They are so happy to take our licence money! We were promised it would never increase haha. I imagine a fee increase is also on the cards after this change
Agree with Jim that full disclosure of the data and analyses used would help understand the reasoning. It is not clear what the stock decline picture is acorss each of the key demesral species. The pink snapper is a key target species from east to west, yet seems to be managed differently in every state., as far as size and bag limits go. I reckon a comparison of data across the states would be very interesting, noting that in SA they are at the tail end of a 3 year total ban on snapper fishing, but nothing like that in Vic or NSW.
Might also be options to shift pressure from pros and recfishers asymetrically across the stocks. For snapper the majority of commercial catch used to come from genetically distinct stocks in the Gascoyne region around Shark Bay. In the West coast fishery the pro catch was less that that coming from Gascoyne and about 7 times the recreaitonal catch in the same region. Not sure these days, but about 10 years back there were around 50 pro vessels in the the West Coast region demersal fishery that fished some snapper, yet they landed a fair bit less than the dozen or so vessels that fished snapper in the Gascoyne (2010 data: 263 vs 140 tonne). So if things are much worse now, the West coast pros much be struggling as far as sanpper and it could be a very cost effective time for Fisheries to seek some voluntary licence buy backs. Removal of enough pro licences might equate to the entire recreational take in the West coast region, given the total West coast recreaitonal and charter take is probabaly less than 40 tonne.. Might also be time to find a few of the old "I fish & I vote" stickers.
Ultimatley just need to understand the total sustainable catch, then figure out who should have it. I don't really care if it is decided that it is better in the public interest to allocate all of it to the pros, but that will never happen and there will always be a split.The total sustainable catch will be much less than what has been taken annually to date, and is likely to fluctate like the cray fishery, but surely there is enough info to figure it out, given various Fisheires agencies worldwide seem happy to list various species as sustainable, recovering or overfished.
Not withstanding any of the multitude of different opinions on here, the sad thing is that almost no one pays any attention until it's too late then jump up and down that it's wrong.
Little Jonny has been warning of it for ages.
As Seakem said, even firing off a simple email is better than nothing.
But 99% of people expect that "someone else will sort out" then blame those people because they didn't or couldn't.
Sad but true.
Recfishwest-far from perfect, but if you haven't bothered to join and input your opinion then you have no place holding them accountable for what's happened either. just like a non voter complaining about the government they got.
I've already emailed my local Member about the new rules and the lack of transparency reagding the data and analyses used to justify them . Decided there was not point in doing anything with Recfishwest, as over the last couple of years when I have emailed them with a question about species bags limits and bans, I have never had a reply. Nothing. In contrast similar emails to WA Fisheries have always generated a reply, albeit a bit generic on the info provided. Ironically Fisheires usually suggested contacting Recfish in their reply. So I haven't been encuraged to go any further with Recfish, but mayb shoud try again.
But it isn't really the role of RFW to give individual advice on bag limits.
It is not hard to picture the scenario of people upset because their advice was misconstrued or incomplete and looking for some one to blame-better to get it from some where you can point back to.
Even Fisheries own guys don't understand them fully.
And the workload of researching and answering those questions would mean there is nothing left to do anything else.
No, not a member, because I never got replies to general email enquiries, They failed the swervice/responsiveness test in my view, so I didn't join. Same goes for businesses tht don't reply to emails and message, I go elsewhere. Not saying they don't do some good work, just not for me. If I'm after info or want to exprss my view I email my local politician and WA Fisheries directly.
Haven't bother to join? $1.3 million per year from compulsory State Govt fishing licences allocated to RFW says otherwise.
"Recfishwest is funded from recreational fishing licence fees and receives about $1.3 million each year to represent the interests of recreational fishers and provide professional and coordinated advice about recreational fishing to the Government."
Thanks for the link Fathom, I just skimmed the first few pages and from that I cant see how they can accurately compare pro's and rec.
I think rec fisho's need to log their catch. Not something i want to do but id rather do that than cop more shit. Snapper stocks at a severe level! what a joke.
When McF*ckwit has 53/59 seats because you all voted for him, what do you expect? Over the past 2 years or so, Uncle Gov has seen how easy it is to introduce whatever they want, whenever they want. Get used to it lads, this shit is only the beginning.
On another note, sharks arent the problem, us fishermen are - If you lose a fish to a shark, MOVE! Adapt to the change, just like the sharks have.
I agree with you in saying move to different spot but if you think shark numbers haven't risen in the last 10 years + then your off your head. I'd say both is a problem
which is full of estimates,guesses and insufficient data, particularly that relating to recreational catch. So I thought I would read the previous report, WA Fisheries Status report 2019/2020. (See link)
Below is a direct quote from this reports summary saying there were NO issues in 2019/2020, as far as I can see.
This year, 98% of our fish stocks were assessed as not being at risk or vulnerable through exploitation (fishing); this includes those classified as sustainable - adequate. Both the Shark Bay crab and Shark Bay scallop resources were classified as sustainable-adequate in 2017/18 as they were considered to have recovered after strong management actions to mitigate the impacts of the heat wave event1, 2. It also includes several resources that were classified as sustainable – recovering, indicating that management actions taken to date have resulted in these resources recovering at acceptable rates. These included Australian herring and southern garfish (supporting nearshore fisheries of the south and west coasts), Cockburn Sound crab stock, fishery resources supporting the West Coast Demersal Scalefish Fishery (WCDSF), dusky and sandbar shark stocks that support the Temperate Demersal Gillnet Demersal Longline Fishery (TDGDLF) and the Wilson Inlet cobbler stock of the South Coast nearshore and estuarine fisheries Only two resources were classified as inadequate – the West Coast whitebait stock and the snapper stock of the Gascoyne Demersal Scalefish Fishery – and both appear to be impacted by environmental changes (e.g. Heat wave events), at least in part.
So we have a getting together of like minded groups over a beer saying "Bugger, after our last report, we are in the shit. Lets justify our existence this year and say the fishery is in trouble. We can get pay rises, appear to be invaluable and boost the governments green credentials".
This simply shows how far wrong the same people can be - either the new report is wrong or the one they did last year is wrong - Which is it, and how is your credibility?
Or is the data you use so insufficient it can be interpreted any way you like ?
Always said never let the truth get in the way of the Stats. You can make stats give any finding you set out to achieve suspect that is exactly what this government department has done.
There is no science.its all crap hence why I stopped many years ago handing info to them . Also stopped my sons from doing the same . Also on this fact 2 sqm rule . No chance in a million years will anyone board my boat ( on water) Unless they show me photo I’d , ( drivers licence) show me they have double shots . Do they require booster shot .also proof who they are . Government requires this . So if officers try to board your vessel in these times ask for above . How many officers will give you there drivers licence . My bet zero . So no ID of proof no entry ( there high risk ) happening to all of us .why should rules change ? Wouldn’t dare ask police officer this . Different story . I respect them and there jobs .
There certainly are other alternatives to achieve the same outcome, such as month about demersal closures, or nominate 7 months that you want to fish.
At least then you can still launch the boat for a normal fishing trip at your choosing.
Similar idea could be used further such as increasing the daily limits by nominating less days that you want to fish.
A big argument of the anti rec (and anti rec pro) is that they "know someone who goes out every day and gets their bag limit" and extrapolate that across every fisherman.
This would cut that off at least, maybe shave down the "10% of fishermen catch 90% of the fish" truth or fiction?
sstevee
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Here's the actual
Here's the actual statement
https://www.fish.wa.gov.au/About-Us/Media-releases/Pages/Changes-to-boost-recovery-of-demersal-scalefish-stocks.aspx
Mick C
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Technical Reports
This is the one that is used to justify the position.
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/research_reports/frr316.pdf
This is the one that sets out how recreational catch is estimated.
https://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/research_reports/frr297.pdf
A lot of information to digest to determine any uncertainty on which the decision is based!!
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Markie
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Not wrong there little
Not wrong there little johnny. Lots of "catch and release"
sea-kem
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Upsize was all that came to
Upsize was all that came to mind, this is a big cluster fuck imo.
Just don't post any pics on the fishing forum here guys of your one Banger or we'll upset all the snowflakes.
Love the West!
Simo_
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So what's the actual change?
So what's the actual change?
Bring on April
sstevee
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50% reduction in demersal
50% reduction in demersal take. Both from commercial and rec sector. How that will be done to be announced in April
Tom M
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They closed Cockburn Sound
They closed Cockburn Sound for crabbing in 2005 for 2 years to allow for juviniles to grow here we are 17 years later and still haven't grown. I wonder what the percentage of fishermen that actually catch a Dhu each trip compared to those that don,t. That was a survey never done.
Tom M
sea-kem
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Add to that that it blows
Add to that that it blows it's arse off for most of the year and that the planest and stars need to align to get out for a fish.
Love the West!
selthy
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An economic strategy to slow
An economic strategy to slow the growth of used boat prices???
Seems like it will be up for consultation. Maybe we come together as a community group and lobby.
Tom M
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Maybe an petition to the
Maybe an petition to the Minister.
Tom M
Jim
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I am convinced the
I am convinced that the 'research' carried out is monitoring social media and listening to a few high profile 'angler magazine' people that get to whisper in the ear of people that can influence change.
Bend over
Jolly Roger
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Bam!
Somebody gets it. Well said Jim.
GOOD TIMES
Markie
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I'm sure lots of us do but
I'm sure lots of us do but its out of control atm
uncle
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Going to be race on
To get the one and only dbubanger, what a crock!!
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
Markie
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Community needs to fight
Community needs to fight back
Jim
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They need to have community
They need to have community consultation online so that it is recorded and everyone has the chance to have their say. Not some bullshit meeting held on a wednesday night no one will attend.
What about the fisheries facebook or an independant website, fisheries can answer all of the communities questions during a month long consulation period. At least we would have the opportunity to have a say.
Bend over
Jolly Roger
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For sure.
Yeah, that would be an interesting exercise.
I'd just like to see fisheries justify their statistical position on the recreational take. The rec sector needs to be accountable, but nobody will accept blind accountability without a fair and accurate appraisal of their actual impact.
A "community consultation" for 1 night at the local yacht club just doesn't cut it these days. There are too many stakeholders involved to keep it that narrow. Jim's idea of an extended online forum where Fisheries MUST be a participant is a winner. It's the only avenue to actual transparency.
GOOD TIMES
Simo_
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When's the 10kg trip limits
When's the 10kg trip limits finish and things go back to 20kg?
Bring on April
sealure
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Hi SimoDidn't the QUANGO
Hi Simo
Didn't the QUANGO Reckfish make a big noise about only agreeing to the reduction on the basis of it being for 12 months & the introduction of shark mitigation measures.
Consult widely is absolute BS.
It's well known that fishermen are not capable of organising themselves into a voice which must be heard.
The toothless QUANGO Reckfish is absolutely useless. They provide wonderful advertisement for the opponents of fishing. You can go to any or all of their meetings but what's the use if they don't really have any real influence in what has already been decided.
Simo_
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Seems like it will never
Seems like it will never end...
Bring on April
Simo_
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Seems like it will never
Seems like it will never end...
Bring on April
Tom M
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Date Joined: 22/09/15
There are some successful
There are some successful fishermen on this site so average how many Dhu,s would you bring in for the year. I am retired fish often and will kickit off at 6.
Tom M
Reefsta
Posts: 281
Date Joined: 03/08/19
Fishing pressure seems a simplistic explanation
Maybe recucing take is the only tool Fisheries can think of, but I reckon many other facotrs beyond fishing pressure must be having a negative effect on stocks if they don't bounce back. Could be water quality, ocean productivity, habait loss and so on, but I can't accept that current fishing pressure is the be all and end all. Look at the Cockburn Sound crabs and so on
Jackfrost80
Posts: 8049
Date Joined: 07/05/12
Where does it say 1 demersal
Where does it say 1 demersal per person? My money is on an extended ban for recs
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
rob90
Posts: 1522
Date Joined: 06/02/13
They can only push so much
They can only push so much before we have to push back. Like I mentioned before, if I see them at the ramp it's "no speak engish" they can't do research if no one gives them info or frames. Then we know it's a crock o shit when they come back with "findings". They aren't getting a sniff of my esky and I'll sign a petition. On another note hopefully I'll be able to upgrade the ski without having to donate a kidney aswell.
Hi my name is rob............. and I'm a........... fishaholic
Faulkner Family
Posts: 17862
Date Joined: 11/03/08
If they want to do true
If they want to do true research they should look at the numbers of fish people are losing to sharks . Reduce the numbers of sharks in our waters and the fish stocks will bounce back.
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
Curndog
Posts: 441
Date Joined: 21/11/16
OMG
Omg Faulkner I bang on about this when I'm ever in a conversation about fishing.... Let's "fish for the future" and protect the stocks, don't worry about the fucking sharks up north taking 75% of the fish on our lines and most recs (not me) going through 40 fish to get there 5. They seem to be creeping further and further south now aswel. Absolute joke. Annoys me to the moon and back
Faulkner Family
Posts: 17862
Date Joined: 11/03/08
It's not just up north that
It's not just up north that has probs with sharks. I'm talking in general as I have read on here about the amount of people having their fish taken by big sharks in metro waters. We copped the same when I was down home over Xmas . My son had a nice size fish on t he hook which we think was a dhuie as we only just saw it in the depths and then bang , taken by a huge Noah.
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
little johnny
Posts: 5329
Date Joined: 04/12/11
It’s going to be 1
Demersal per person. Not a 5 month ban .( was on cards) So you go to your favourite ground. You drop get a double header . Black ass and pink day over lol. It’s just dumb . Not going to change a thing . Just more dead fish floating . 99 percent of the time I fish alone. Most the time I work close and work outwards . Go for kgs . Baldies . Get a feed then go for dhues . Boat limits work. Bag limits don’t . Going to fuck charter boats also. I’ve been around a while, save the crabs simple don’t take females 1 male can do many girls . Females always stay longer than males . There normally full of eggs internal .24 hour round the clock pros get them in traps .Let pros catch gummys in sound . Which also saves crabs and provides pros good income ( instead of pinks) . Win win . Where’s the guy from my previous post ( it won’t happen) . It’s coming going to have chain effect on fishing shops everyone . Anyway make the most of it why you can . April will be doomsday . I wonder if they will put out on April fools day . Now that would be funny . I am no scientist. But if what I heard is true it’s dumb . At least sharks will get to eat more
sunshine
Posts: 2554
Date Joined: 03/03/09
Absolutely LJ
Gummy numbers in the Sound have increased exponentially and it is their feeding habits (eating crabs) that are keeping numbers down in the Sound. Looks like they, the gummies, are going to cop a hammering if these new limits come in. Got one the other day and it had six small blue swimmer crabs in its gut .....says it all
Gav475
Posts: 393
Date Joined: 16/11/11
Shooters
Shooters/hunters have been the target of ever increasing restrictions for some time. Now the same lobby groups are coming for our fishing rights. Death by a thousand cuts. Good luck trying to motivate people to get of their ass to stand up for anything. If you haven't worked out what their real motivation is you must be living in another world. Better get used to eating tofu and daffodils
uncle
Posts: 9351
Date Joined: 10/02/07
Maybe they want us
To catch sharks, going to be hard to have a good day now!
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
Moking
Posts: 1252
Date Joined: 30/05/12
Read it here:Changes to
Looks like I will be selling the Boat: Buy a Fishing Kayak- No Fishing Licence Fee required to Pay, No Boat Rego Fee to Pay, No Trailer Rego Fee to Pay, No Flares and Epirb to Pay, No Fuel to Pay, No Boat Outboard Servicing to Pay, No Boat Insurance to Pay.... and catch my 12 limit herring!
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My Dad taught me how to Fish-Thanks Dad.(RIP)
diver
Posts: 146
Date Joined: 25/09/08
Responsible care
To-day is the last day of the Abbe season for this 2022 but after the mass kill of asbalone north of the new Ocean reef marina the caretakers of our fishing will probably reduce or ban takeing them next year.
CD
Posts: 45
Date Joined: 06/12/16
There was no "mass kill" of
There was no "mass kill" of abalone north of the marina. The only ones that died were inside the marina. This was entirely expected and accounted for in the setting of catch limits for this and future seasons.
sea-kem
Posts: 14853
Date Joined: 30/11/09
So for my simple mind can
So for my simple mind can someone tell me how they calculate these tonnages? Is it based on how many rec and pro licences are held?
Love the West!
Fathom
Posts: 619
Date Joined: 18/04/08
CPUE
Catch Per Unit Effort is one method. Basically, 1- 6 boats (Units) fish a dedicated "test" area for kilogram per hour. (Nice work if you can get it) Some Knowledge can be obtained from this procedure but IMO it's not an accurate method for counting all Demersal stocks, especially Dhufish and Pink snapper.
A lot of the fisheries info they have collected is readily/easily available: http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/research_reports/frr316.pdf
Since the demersal "reduction", I'm guessing ...20,000 new rec fishing license's? Fisheries will use a percentage of what (historically) those license #'s amount to.
Commercials are laughing, price of Demer$al$ will double at least and they can come back in at half time, half the ice, tackle, bait, etc.etc. needed for same result, may as well get a smaller boat.
Swompa
Posts: 3783
Date Joined: 14/10/12
Just wish to throw it out
Just wish to throw it out there that I have 0 to contrubute to that tonnage
Skull
Posts: 630
Date Joined: 03/01/12
It's Done
It's done, signed and sealed, nothing anybody can do about it, they have made up their minds and now just trying to look like a responsible management group saying they will put it out for consultation and consideration, what a load of crap, the decision has been made.
Nothing said about 50% reduction in all costs associated with recreational and for that matter commercial fishing which is continuing to rise.
Tackle shops will close, people will stop fishing or some will run the gauntlet and take their chances, some of these rsearchers and Politicians (bullshit artists) need to be remindful that you don't bite the hand that feeds you, in this case the recreational fisherperson.
You could go on and on how boat sales and prices will crash etc etc etc, do we have a right to be angry? yes we do, can we do anything about it? no we can't.
Skull
wagyl
Posts: 218
Date Joined: 08/03/09
WA is about 10% of Australia's Population
with about the same amount of coastline. So assume that the proportion of people going fishing as a percentage of population is about the same.So 90% of Australia's fishing occurs on the east coast, with a lot more settlements up and down the coast. Most areas on the east coast are accessible by trailer boat. On the west coat we have much fewer settlements with greater distance between them (look at Shark Bay to Kalbarri, Mandurah to Bunbury) so by default we have all these relatively unfished areas as protection and breeding zones. Lets say draw a 25mile radius around each reasonable boat ramp, there is a lot of area untouched by recreational anglers in boats. This allows fish stocks to reach there maximum biomass in these areas and maintain it. So the question here is, where did they do their sampling on fish stocks from? The local boat ramp? Diving and counting fish? (I don't think so). Get them to fill out a census form? Perhaps their samples were done in highly populated areas, what about the rest of the coastline?
So we have 10% of the fishing pressure compared to the East coast, with a large area of virtually unfished territory, so look at the east coast bag limits:
www.qid.gov.au/recreation/activities/boating-fishing/rec-fishing/rules/limits-tidal
www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fishing/recreational/fishing-rules-and-regs/saltwater-bag-and-size-limits
www.vfa.vic.gov.au/recreational-fishing/recreational-fishing-guide/catch-limits-and-closed-seasons/types-of-fish/marine-and-estuarine-scale-fish/
So, Qld, 7 coral trout, 5 emperor
NSW 10 snapper over 30cm
VIC 10 Snapper with 3 no nore than 40cm
So, with about 9 times the fishing pressure on the East coast they have these bag limits, yet we are allowed 1 fish????
I have a lot of difficulty with this.
Tom M
Posts: 662
Date Joined: 22/09/15
Good summary.
Good summary.
Tom M
davewillo
Posts: 2254
Date Joined: 08/09/16
Yep that puts it in clear,
Yep that puts it in clear, simple terms.
PGFC member and lure tragic
Gmonster
Posts: 18
Date Joined: 21/04/12
....
So increased spawning protection ie close sound for longer or entirely just before they destroy the sound with harbour, close all demersal season longer and 50% catch reduction so 1 fish per trip what a joke.
At least stop all the salmom nets down south need something to catch.
I want a GT.
Gmonster
Posts: 18
Date Joined: 21/04/12
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I want a GT.
Reefsta
Posts: 281
Date Joined: 03/08/19
Annual bag?
If it ends up 1 per day, then in theory each fisher could take 365 demersals per year. I take well less than 10% of that, but when I chase pinks for the table it is usually for a special meal with friends and family, so I'm after couple. I' would be very unlikley to reach an annual pinky catch of 30 per year. A reduced season would be much better for me than reducing the bag limit to 1.
Livewire
Posts: 271
Date Joined: 25/11/16
The research!! ( World class
The research!! ( World class fisheries science) ( world's best practices) heard these a few times. They say this like we can actually trust them. Who would beleive this so called research is done bipartisan... or done to achieve the outcome thet wanted! What we all know is we are about to get the pineapple...we have been let down by rec-fish. A group by name alone that is supposed to represent the average fisher-personal, (our voice in the political environment) . WE HAVE ALL BEEN SOLD OUT. Fishing is a expensive freedom. We have all had to pay to stay in a recreation that was free not that long ago. We take the new licensing fees, we deal with the trip reductions, reduced bag limits, and they come back with let's cut them in half again! Sad to say it's probably not the end either. This needs a bit of push back at least.. rec-fish needs a rocket. The petishion should go to them.. represent us fairly or f--k off. I'll sign first.
scubafish
Posts: 949
Date Joined: 15/08/12
Sorry!
But who do you believe this day and age ,
The Gov ?
The public servant ?
The tackle stores/internet sellers that just want to sell more stuff ?
Where is all the talk about Aquafarming and restocking and using our Lic fees ?
Are we Shaw that these Gov Dep't are giving use all the right/truthful info or
are they just protecting there Dep't jobs ?
No trust when it comes down to the $$$$.
Does the Boss/dissension makers/GOV give a shit when he/she is no longer the Boss/dissension maker/GOV ?
And then there's COVID Tax.
There's only one type of person that all this effects I think,
that is the person at the bottom of the life chain,
lives on wages and struggles to keep afloat and cant pass on any prices increases to someone else.
My opinion Over.
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Oldbull
Posts: 175
Date Joined: 21/09/15
I would
prefer to keep the 2 demersals but drop the lower size limit. Far too many 49cm dhuis hauled up quickly to avoid a shark and then dropped back to die. Most of us catch an undersize fish each trip. Better to keep that in the esky than floating upside down. There will still be some people upsizing but probably less if they have 2 x smaller demersals and not chucking a 49 overboard chasing a 51.
Sea goat
Posts: 939
Date Joined: 26/03/17
it would be awesome if there
it would be awesome if there was some way to stop the whole upgrade thing/upsizing or holding out for a bigger fish. this in particular really bugs me and i reckon has a huge impact, but reality is there is probably no way they could ever actually stop it.... relies on people taking it upon themselves to do the right things, but there always goign to be a population of numbnuts out there who dont give a damn about anyone else.
i dnt catch all that may fish, pretty rare i come home wiht my full bag, but will be a bit frustrtating if i drive an hour, catch 1 fish then have to call it. personally i am gogin to try up my pelagics game, maybe do more squiding, herring fishing etc.
would love to start diving, and do more snorkelling, but im a bit of a chicken and the sharks are starting to really play on my minid lol!
Jim
Posts: 1321
Date Joined: 05/05/06
When you say full bag,
When you say full bag, that's a whole 2 fish. If it goes to one fish should be easier to get your bag.
Bend over
beau
Posts: 4104
Date Joined: 24/01/10
The proposed introduction of
The proposed introduction of 50% reduction means dhufish is .5 per angler with a boat limit of 1 fish. If fishing solo you will have to decide if you like the head or tail and release the rest
selthy
Posts: 286
Date Joined: 27/05/11
No need to worry, the sharks
No need to worry, the sharks will make that decision for you.
Skull
Posts: 630
Date Joined: 03/01/12
The Cost
The cost of catching a fish will double when the reduction comes into play, the average fisher can't afford this, perhaps that is how they plan to stop recreational fishers.
Skull
sea-kem
Posts: 14853
Date Joined: 30/11/09
Just talking to a mate about
Just talking to a mate about that yesterday, when you add up all the expenses it makes our love of fishing for a day more expensive than a high class ho.
I've just fired off an email to my local member, nothing will change but you've got to let them know you're pissed off.
Love the West!
dodgy
Posts: 4563
Date Joined: 01/02/10
No wonder shark bay was so
No wonder shark bay was so keen to bring in extra limits early. That area is going to get a whole lot more pressure when these changes come in.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Oldbull
Posts: 175
Date Joined: 21/09/15
and change the west coast bioregion
to finish at Geraldton. There is bugger all pressure on demersals north of Gero. The biomass is not in danger north of Gero.
Oldbull
Posts: 175
Date Joined: 21/09/15
and change the west coast bioregion
to finish at Geraldton. There is bugger all pressure on demersals north of Gero. The biomass is not in danger north of Gero.
Sea goat
Posts: 939
Date Joined: 26/03/17
on the upside, increases my
on the upside, increases my chances of "bagging out"! :)
Jolly Roger
Posts: 50
Date Joined: 14/01/22
Quota/license buy backs
Where quotas and pro licenses are at currently compared to years ago is irrelevant. The current tonnage taken is still too high for effective recovery of demersal stocks according to Fisheries.
People will still be able to get a feed of fresh fish the same way they do now. It might just be something other than dhus and pinkies. There's no shortage of alternatives.
Licence buy backs give fishermen a chance to get out at a point where the resource they've relied on for profits has been smashed to a point where it's no longer sustainable (as a species or as a business). Businesses in other sectors just go under, buybacks aren't a bad outcome in comparison.
People aren't entitled to operate a business that relies on a finite natural resource that's been decimated just because there's a history there. If a fishery can't be sustainable on one of the most pristine and isolated coasts in the world then there really is something wrong.
GOOD TIMES
black gen
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Date Joined: 13/04/11
Think you are on the wrong
Think you are on the wrong website champ
Jolly Roger
Posts: 50
Date Joined: 14/01/22
?
What's your solution to reducing the take without killing it for the majority of people who go fishing?
GOOD TIMES
black gen
Posts: 762
Date Joined: 13/04/11
Limits have already been
Limits have already been reduced enough
not every boat catches fish
plenty of blokes who catch fuck all
already a closed season
the problem is with sharks
its not people catching too much it's the amount of fish that get drilled by sharks while
trying to catch a feed
The greeny driven agenda can fuck off
kill the sharks fish stocks will replenish
easy solution
Brody
Posts: 1021
Date Joined: 06/02/07
So you reckon that, in the
So you reckon that, in the greater metro area, a large enough amount of demersal fish get taken by sharks, for that to be the biggest issue facing our easily targeted demersal fish that are under ever increasing pressure from a higher number of fishers and these fishers having every gizmo and bit of information and technology available to them, that you could ever hope for?
carnarvonite
Posts: 8627
Date Joined: 24/07/07
Copy and Paste
Copied and pasted from the Freo Shark fishing discussion on this site.
As I said on there, Greenpeace will welcome you with open arms
Jim
Posts: 1321
Date Joined: 05/05/06
Why is it so hard for
Why is it so hard for fisheries to make public the information they use to determine their decisions? all we get is the generic "stocks arent recovering" bullshit. Wreckfish will obviously say 'these changes are for the better, but they will voice the community concerns and Rec fishers ( ie: wangler) are telling us that we need these changes to support the fishery. The stocks are recovering, but not fast enough.' insert abuse here.
I dont think we would suffer any worse if wreckfishbest disappeared. How can we! one bloody demersal! how can we do worse!
Wagyls post explains things pretty clearly. how can they justify these changes?
I just hope we can stand together to fight this in some way. 'In person' events dont work for us, we have busy lives. We need to do it online somehow so we can get the numbers and momentum to make us heard!
Hopefully something manifests cause it would be a shame to go down the same path we have gone down again and again.
They are so happy to take our licence money! We were promised it would never increase haha. I imagine a fee increase is also on the cards after this change
Bend over
sealure
Posts: 106
Date Joined: 19/05/12
Is there anyone on this
Is there anyone on this forum with the time, energy and patience to pursue Fisheries with FOI request to obtain information on their decision making?
If that person would then post the result it would at least inform us.
Jolly Roger
Posts: 50
Date Joined: 14/01/22
Hasn't Recfishwest put in a
Hasn't Recfishwest put in a formal request or done their own independent analysis of the data Fisheries are basing policy on?
If not, why not?
GOOD TIMES
Reefsta
Posts: 281
Date Joined: 03/08/19
More info would help
Agree with Jim that full disclosure of the data and analyses used would help understand the reasoning. It is not clear what the stock decline picture is acorss each of the key demesral species. The pink snapper is a key target species from east to west, yet seems to be managed differently in every state., as far as size and bag limits go. I reckon a comparison of data across the states would be very interesting, noting that in SA they are at the tail end of a 3 year total ban on snapper fishing, but nothing like that in Vic or NSW.
Might also be options to shift pressure from pros and recfishers asymetrically across the stocks. For snapper the majority of commercial catch used to come from genetically distinct stocks in the Gascoyne region around Shark Bay. In the West coast fishery the pro catch was less that that coming from Gascoyne and about 7 times the recreaitonal catch in the same region. Not sure these days, but about 10 years back there were around 50 pro vessels in the the West Coast region demersal fishery that fished some snapper, yet they landed a fair bit less than the dozen or so vessels that fished snapper in the Gascoyne (2010 data: 263 vs 140 tonne). So if things are much worse now, the West coast pros much be struggling as far as sanpper and it could be a very cost effective time for Fisheries to seek some voluntary licence buy backs. Removal of enough pro licences might equate to the entire recreational take in the West coast region, given the total West coast recreaitonal and charter take is probabaly less than 40 tonne.. Might also be time to find a few of the old "I fish & I vote" stickers.
Jolly Roger
Posts: 50
Date Joined: 14/01/22
Yep, just buy them out.
Yep, just buy them out. Nothing to stop them buying back in if turns around.
Ammature catch data is a guess at best. Buying up pro licences/quotas is a guaranteed tonnage left in the system.
Seems like a no-brainer.
GOOD TIMES
Reefsta
Posts: 281
Date Joined: 03/08/19
where does it end
Ultimatley just need to understand the total sustainable catch, then figure out who should have it. I don't really care if it is decided that it is better in the public interest to allocate all of it to the pros, but that will never happen and there will always be a split.The total sustainable catch will be much less than what has been taken annually to date, and is likely to fluctate like the cray fishery, but surely there is enough info to figure it out, given various Fisheires agencies worldwide seem happy to list various species as sustainable, recovering or overfished.
Rob H
Posts: 5745
Date Joined: 18/01/12
Not withstanding any of the
Not withstanding any of the multitude of different opinions on here, the sad thing is that almost no one pays any attention until it's too late then jump up and down that it's wrong.
Little Jonny has been warning of it for ages.
As Seakem said, even firing off a simple email is better than nothing.
But 99% of people expect that "someone else will sort out" then blame those people because they didn't or couldn't.
Sad but true.
Recfishwest-far from perfect, but if you haven't bothered to join and input your opinion then you have no place holding them accountable for what's happened either.
just like a non voter complaining about the government they got.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Reefsta
Posts: 281
Date Joined: 03/08/19
Recfish not my preferred option
I've already emailed my local Member about the new rules and the lack of transparency reagding the data and analyses used to justify them . Decided there was not point in doing anything with Recfishwest, as over the last couple of years when I have emailed them with a question about species bags limits and bans, I have never had a reply. Nothing. In contrast similar emails to WA Fisheries have always generated a reply, albeit a bit generic on the info provided. Ironically Fisheires usually suggested contacting Recfish in their reply. So I haven't been encuraged to go any further with Recfish, but mayb shoud try again.
Rob H
Posts: 5745
Date Joined: 18/01/12
So you are a member at
So you are a member at least, that is something.
But it isn't really the role of RFW to give individual advice on bag limits.
It is not hard to picture the scenario of people upset because their advice was misconstrued or incomplete and looking for some one to blame-better to get it from some where you can point back to.
Even Fisheries own guys don't understand them fully.
And the workload of researching and answering those questions would mean there is nothing left to do anything else.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Reefsta
Posts: 281
Date Joined: 03/08/19
Not a member
No, not a member, because I never got replies to general email enquiries, They failed the swervice/responsiveness test in my view, so I didn't join. Same goes for businesses tht don't reply to emails and message, I go elsewhere. Not saying they don't do some good work, just not for me. If I'm after info or want to exprss my view I email my local politician and WA Fisheries directly.
Jim
Posts: 1321
Date Joined: 05/05/06
I see your point but it
I see your point but it doesnt change the way I think. I just cant give them money or another number. Its a business i cant support.
It doesnt mean we should feel guilty about having a say either.
Bend over
Jackfrost80
Posts: 8049
Date Joined: 07/05/12
Haven't bother to join?
Haven't bother to join? $1.3 million per year from compulsory State Govt fishing licences allocated to RFW says otherwise.
"Recfishwest is funded from recreational fishing licence fees and receives about $1.3 million each year to represent the interests of recreational fishers and provide professional and coordinated advice about recreational fishing to the Government."
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
Bryce Day
Posts: 812
Date Joined: 01/06/15
There could be a market for
There could be a market for installing deep fryers and bbqs on boats very soon....
and what about tackle shops they will go broke quicker than a professional roo shooter
Emission appare...
Posts: 30
Date Joined: 21/01/21
Totally disappointed with 1
Totally disappointed with 1 demersal per person, many other alternatives.
recfishwest have hands tied because they are partly funded by the government they have no leg to stand on
Emission apparel is happy to do some leg work but we are pushing shit up hill without help
sounds like decision is final and was on the agenda long before this
hard action only way to get attention
boycotts of license fees
petitions
and rallys is some of the ways this can happen....
but who's prepared to stand up and back it up
If you're serious get In touch with us and let's see what we can do as a community
lite now or never
Regards
Dan
Jim
Posts: 1321
Date Joined: 05/05/06
Thanks for the link Fathom,
Thanks for the link Fathom, I just skimmed the first few pages and from that I cant see how they can accurately compare pro's and rec.
I think rec fisho's need to log their catch. Not something i want to do but id rather do that than cop more shit. Snapper stocks at a severe level! what a joke.
Bend over
Fathom
Posts: 619
Date Joined: 18/04/08
Link
Here: http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/research_reports/frr316.pdf
Lastchance
Posts: 1272
Date Joined: 02/02/09
When McF*ckwit has 53/59
When McF*ckwit has 53/59 seats because you all voted for him, what do you expect? Over the past 2 years or so, Uncle Gov has seen how easy it is to introduce whatever they want, whenever they want. Get used to it lads, this shit is only the beginning.
On another note, sharks arent the problem, us fishermen are - If you lose a fish to a shark, MOVE! Adapt to the change, just like the sharks have.
Curndog
Posts: 441
Date Joined: 21/11/16
I agree with you in saying
I agree with you in saying move to different spot but if you think shark numbers haven't risen in the last 10 years + then your off your head. I'd say both is a problem
Markie
Posts: 2140
Date Joined: 06/08/10
Mcfookwit indeed. I know i
Mcfookwit indeed. I know i didn't vote for the mcnuggets.
Simo_
Posts: 1843
Date Joined: 13/11/06
So if you question any of
So if you question any of this will you be labeled anti-science? Seems these days you can't question anything...
Bring on April
sea-kem
Posts: 14853
Date Joined: 30/11/09
Ha ha I see what you did
Ha ha I see what you did there, problem is some science is proven. This is just estimates and averages imo
Love the West!
wagyl
Posts: 218
Date Joined: 08/03/09
So, Just attempted to read the relevant report,
https://www.fish.wa.gov.au/About-Us/Media-releases/Pages/Changes-to-boost-recovery-of-demersal-scalefish-stocks.aspx
which is full of estimates,guesses and insufficient data, particularly that relating to recreational catch. So I thought I would read the previous report, WA Fisheries Status report 2019/2020. (See link)
Below is a direct quote from this reports summary saying there were NO issues in 2019/2020, as far as I can see.
https://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/sofar/status_reports_of_the_fisheries_and_aquatic_resources_2019-20.pdf
This year, 98% of our fish stocks were assessed as not being at risk or vulnerable through exploitation (fishing); this includes those classified as sustainable - adequate. Both the Shark Bay crab and Shark Bay scallop resources were classified as sustainable-adequate in 2017/18 as they were considered to have recovered after strong management actions to mitigate the impacts of the heat wave event1, 2. It also includes several resources that were classified as sustainable – recovering, indicating that management actions taken to date have resulted in these resources recovering at acceptable rates. These included Australian herring and southern garfish (supporting nearshore fisheries of the south and west coasts), Cockburn Sound crab stock, fishery resources supporting the West Coast Demersal Scalefish Fishery (WCDSF), dusky and sandbar shark stocks that support the Temperate Demersal Gillnet Demersal Longline Fishery (TDGDLF) and the Wilson Inlet cobbler stock of the South Coast nearshore and estuarine fisheries Only two resources were classified as inadequate – the West Coast whitebait stock and the snapper stock of the Gascoyne Demersal Scalefish Fishery – and both appear to be impacted by environmental changes (e.g. Heat wave events), at least in part.
So we have a getting together of like minded groups over a beer saying "Bugger, after our last report, we are in the shit. Lets justify our existence this year and say the fishery is in trouble. We can get pay rises, appear to be invaluable and boost the governments green credentials".
This simply shows how far wrong the same people can be - either the new report is wrong or the one they did last year is wrong - Which is it, and how is your credibility?
Or is the data you use so insufficient it can be interpreted any way you like ?
Tom M
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Always said never let the
Always said never let the truth get in the way of the Stats. You can make stats give any finding you set out to achieve suspect that is exactly what this government department has done.
Tom M
little johnny
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It’s all estimates
There is no science.its all crap hence why I stopped many years ago handing info to them . Also stopped my sons from doing the same . Also on this fact 2 sqm rule . No chance in a million years will anyone board my boat ( on water) Unless they show me photo I’d , ( drivers licence) show me they have double shots . Do they require booster shot .also proof who they are . Government requires this . So if officers try to board your vessel in these times ask for above . How many officers will give you there drivers licence . My bet zero . So no ID of proof no entry ( there high risk ) happening to all of us .why should rules change ? Wouldn’t dare ask police officer this . Different story . I respect them and there jobs .
Tom M
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Makes sense
Makes sense
Tom M
Rob H
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Date Joined: 18/01/12
There certainly are other
There certainly are other alternatives to achieve the same outcome, such as month about demersal closures, or nominate 7 months that you want to fish.
At least then you can still launch the boat for a normal fishing trip at your choosing.
Similar idea could be used further such as increasing the daily limits by nominating less days that you want to fish.
A big argument of the anti rec (and anti rec pro) is that they "know someone who goes out every day and gets their bag limit" and extrapolate that across every fisherman.
This would cut that off at least, maybe shave down the "10% of fishermen catch 90% of the fish" truth or fiction?
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.