Solas propellers from USA iboat, I think very cheap
Submitted by Magneto on Wed, 2012-06-13 16:02
Hi All , if u are thinking of an S/S propeller. After a recommendation from a forum site for iboat USA, I purchased the Solas RBX-126 - High Performance Rubber Hub
Solas Rubex HR4 Blade Stainless 13" dia. X 19" pitch SR for the amount $405.80 here was 655.00 from Solas agent here in Perth. Just 7 days for it to be at the door and after checking the delivery invoice for only $335.80, double checked the paying agent and that was all that was paid to iboat. The weather is to foul to give it a run but I expect a better performance than the old aluminum which will how be the spare. I considered it a very good deal and hence this report for anybody thinking of doing the same.
Happy boating P/S it went on a Suzuki DF140 4 stroke that included shipping ...
Hi All , if u are thinking of an S/S propeller. After a recommendation from a forum site for iboat USA, I purchased the Solas RBX-126 - High Performance Rubber HubSolas Rubex HR4 Blade Stainless 13" dia. X 19" pitch SR for the amount $405.80 here was 655.00 from Solas agent here in Perth. Just 7 days for it to be at the door and after checking the delivery invoice for only $335.80, double checked the paying agent and that was all that was paid to iboat. The weather is to foul to give it a run but I expect a better performance than the old aluminum which will how be the spare. I considered it a very good deal and hence this report for anybody thinking of doing the same.
Happy boating P/S it went on a Suzuki DF140 4 stroke
that included shipping ... 
katsy85
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The only benifit from buying
The only benifit from buying from solas perth is that he will let you swap and change props to find one that best suits your boat/motor. But yes very cheap
till
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Please let us know how you
Please let us know how you went with that prop and what boat you have it on.
Luke R
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Magneto. Its because of
Magneto. Its because of people like you that local Australian business's are closing there doors.
pakulacockroach
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Fair go
The bloke just saved around 50% or $250. That is a couple of days wages to a lot of people. I for one would be happy to be able to save that amount of money.
Times have changed. Loyalty is not what it used to be.
You never know, with the $250 he saved he might just go & spend it at a local business ( perhaps yours ).
brenz
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agree with luke .... magnetto
agree with luke .... magnetto at the end of the day is a 250 dollar saving that great when you need a warrenty or after market service? And when all the local businesses are closed down because of this and the only mechanics still operating are backyard mechanics what are you going to do then? send you boat to the u.s to get a service???? no you will be whinging because you will be paying through the nose for a service becauyse thats what they will have to charge to stay afloat........
Buz
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At the end of the day
At the end of the day everything has a way of leveling itself out. For now it is cheaper to buy stuff from US/overseas. So if the local sellers cant even come close to the prices available online then bad luck.
I personnaly think there has never been a store that has been opened forever. Stores open, stores close. If you are a store owner and people arent buying your stuff because they can get it cheaper elsewhere, maybe you should start looking a where you can save on buying goods to then pass on the saving to consumers, or like many farmers have try and diversify what it is you sell to expand your clientel. I think tackle HQ is a good example of diversification, of how All Boat Business diversified what they offered instead of just boats and now probably are better for it.
But like i said even if all the local tackle store close and the likes of BCF's are only available there will come the time when our dollar becomes weak again and then people will start looking to buy loacl again, and even if there isnt any tackle stores open, ones will open up. Thats business if there is a niche for it it will be filled. So for all the business owners out there that have a whinge when people buy online have a good look at how you run your business, alot of the time it isnt just lowers prices people are looking for alot of people want good old customer service It seems sometime that you have two levels of customer service in alot of Tackle Stores in perth, either the big chains dont give a hoot or have no idea customer sevice, or the high end you must have the most expensive gear with all the bling and the right braid and do the right knots customer service. You need to diversify what you sell to attract a bigger clientele, like tackle HQ has done run tutorials, or info nights, competitions, anything to start attracting people, you wouldnt go shark fishing withnout burley would you(or maybe you would????).
And to " Its because of people like you that local Australian business's are closing there doors"
The big reason shops are closing isnt because people are buying cheaper gear overseas, its because alot of people arent buying anything at all. Just look at ALL the national retail figures over the last few years for all forms of retail all retail is suffering. As costs of living rise for everything rent, mortgage, electricity water, gas, insurance, etc, people are become alot more tighter on what the spend their money on.
Unfortunantly for most people fishing is just a hobby where they cant afford to pour large amount of money into. For me i know because of the stong dollar i am actually devoting most of my disposable income to holidaying overseas in places that would have been too expensive for me to do before. Fishing is now not that high a prioirty on my spend list. In saying that i just bought a new Emcast 4500 hahaha.
Again it just all my opinion only having worked in retail myelf for 5 years, previous to my current job, so i am no expert.
Rod P
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My question is how did you
My question is how did you decide on that particular prop? Did you first pick Michael's brain to get the info needed then order online?
That's my big issue. People are happy to use local knowledge to get the info they need then expect to pay nothing for that expertise.
At the end of the line i guess buy online if your happy to help prop other country's economy over ours. It is really that simple.
Buz
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Agree with you Rod P on the
Agree with you Rod P on the matter of getting advice here but then shopping online. Is a bit cheeky but i think we have all done it sometime in our lives.
To tell you the truth though we all prop up the economies of other countries even if we do buy local. There is no fishing gear (other than Alvey?) made in Australia. So really we are still forking the money to the countries original manufacturer. Just the middle man and then the retailer doesnt get a cut.
I dont have a problem proping up other conturies economies. We ALL do it first hand when we go for holidays overseas. I mean look at Bali! Its economy basically all comes from tourism. All those Aussies going over there spending there money that goes into the Indo economy. The truth is in a world of globalisation of economies nearly every countries economy is tied to the others, so really whether you spend here or spend there it all comes back to you in the end, whether it be we get their tourists over here spending their money, or they buy from our online sites or even if it means your super which has invested in International shares goes up, because the country invested in has its economy boom.
They key to any economy is for there to be people spending somewhere!!! Thats the bigger problem facing economies and retailers here and overseas. Of course you spend local then said store can employ local, so giving someone else a job. But in the end people are going to do what job they want or where the money is. And at the moment here in W.A it seems everyone wants a piece of the mining pie. Its all a big knock on effect, if all the good retail salesmen leave and go work in the mines then all you get are substandard salesmen left to try and keep the sales just as good. I mean ask ANY retailer around Perth how hard it is to find a GOOD, knowledgable, reliable, punctual salesman that can deliever what they want!!!! Nigh impossible!!!!
till
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I think buzz has a point
I think buzz has a point there.
If it isn't made here, or even in the USA in many cases, so origin isn't relevant.
If the local guy isn't providing some value for the customer's money, then why not buy elsewhere?
katsy85
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The end of the day price will
The end of the day price will always win with the majority of people, but in my opinion when shopping for props, expert help will win me over, too many sizes and angles for me to make a certain purchase over the internet.
Vinesh87
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I would love to support Aus
I would love to support Aus shops and i certainly try if the price is right or if they will at least try, Sometimes i definatly pay for the service and help but if they dont care then i won't
Everyone knows i bought my boat for the US if i bought it here i would have had to wait another 2 years for enough money for the same boat.
Hope your buy works out !!
bunyiphunter
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Welcome to capitalism
Welcome to capitalism comrades!
or Darwinism - adapt or die
Rob H
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a few good points there
but Id have to ask why the Australian agent, who you would think buys wholesale and freights in bulk is selling it for pretty much 100% more than purchased retail and freighted from the otherside of the world?
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Browndog
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Agree with Rob
I agree with Rob, sure we all like to support the local guys, and will pay a premium to do so and for knowledge and advice,, but there is a limit. Most people would understand a 20% premium to cover the additional costs of a shopfront vs an online store, or maybe even more if the retailer has what you need in stock, but when the price difference is large there really is no argument.
I like to support Aussie retailers, but purchase some car parts online from the US, approximately 50% cheaper, and arrives at my door in Perth faster than the retailers based in the Eastern states? How can they justify charging more for road freight from Brisbane than air freight ex USA, for the same item? Let alone the massive price difference on identical parts.
End of the day I will support local when I can, but I won't be "bent over" or pay excessive markups unnecessarily.
And to have a retailer get up me because I chose not to pay the inflated price? Well I know where I wouldn't be spending my money! Perhaps saying something like "Come and have a chat with us next time, we might not be cheaper but I can show you how we offer better value by..." would send more customers your way?
Just my 2c.
wangler
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Sometimes we just have to by outside of Oz
Priced up a part here for my outboard, US price was $485 delivered, so, I thought if I can get it here I am willing to pay AU$600, walk in pay collect and walk out. It was going to cost AU$1000 and 3 weeks to arrive....
Unfortunately, under those circumstances I had no choice but to shop online and have the part delivered in 7days @ US$485
happy boating....
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dodgy
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How about when your local
How about when your local tackle shop is reselling reels they have bought from overseas for less than they can get them through Australian agents?
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Rod P
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I totally understand buying
I totally understand buying on line. In Fact to be honest i feel it a shame but will often find i end up on line as i get little to no service locally. BUT i will say i always give feedback to business. Positive or negative as i feel that's the best way for them to change.
The biggest and hardest part is the problem will be that eventually we will have little to no local industry. By that i mean at the moment you ordered that prop on line as it was cheaper, but lets say you needed it today, you could/have the option to walk in and buy it of the shelf and be boating this afternoon. But if we continue to shop online all the time the day will come when you need that prop in a hurry but will simply have to wait.
sea-kem
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Totally agree with Buz's
Totally agree with Buz's commnets above. Businessess here need to reinvent themselves in order to survive. I was taking my boat to a certain boat store on Waneroo rd when a mate of mine recommended another business in Como who charged $250 less for exactly the same service, impellor replacement etc with a great friendly service. That's what it's all about. It's a global market now. our dollar is strong the yanks is stuffed for now but mark my words they will rebound so get in while you can.
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pale ale
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Try buying items in
Try buying items in Karratha!!! If the "One armed bandit" can get it in for you, you then pay his "Bandit Tax" on top of the "Pilbara Tax" on top of Rangas endless list of taxes :(
I needed a new seal for my hydraulic steering. I looked everywhere online, and no business in Australia would sell to the public. You had to order through registered business. Anyway, I knew what the price was to buy this seal kit, and was standing next to the "Bandit" when he ordered it for me. Prick lied to me, after adding $100 to the on line price saying that he was making a loss due to postage. Bullshit!!!
Then when it finally arrived, he had wacked another $50 onto the price he quoted me on the day it was ordered.
I told the young sheila behind the counter, politely, to F off, go and check the price with your boss. I got it for the quoted price, but was still ripped off.
I'm gonna buy from USA next time and save $200
fishy fingers
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what hydraulic steering
I just ordered a seal kit for my hydrive from aussie fliud power in bibra lake no problems ordering through them
pale ale
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Seastar for 200 suzuki
Seastar for 200 suzuki
Magneto
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Changing prop
It's not Rocket science when U just want a S/S prop with the same pitch as I already have.... if u intend to try and change the fuel useage or ur top speed then go local and have the option of swapping the prop as many times as U like but don't try and tell me I need expert help and regarding some of the shop owners who have made comment, I know u have overheads regarding stocking and running ur shop and when I am making an income of $3000 a week Ill come and shop there but until then I feel like I am getting ripped off at many places, I don't work in the Mining Industry so why should I pay inflated prices......so jam that up side ways if u know what i mean...
Magneto
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Buz the voice of reason
I am with u all the way..... by the way all Solas props are made in Tiawan no matter where u buy them from and I just looked up u r shop Luke R and low and behold I have purchased stuff from u, gone home and thought that was a bit expensive I wonder what it would have cost on ebay australia and it's not a guess to what I found is it.. because of those sorts of things I now think ahead to what I may need for example fuel filters, went down to price local at Hillarys tackle, had to come from the East coast at $75 per filter. Got online to Boat Bits on the east coast 2 filters at the door for $75, the fat guy down there when giving me the quote didn't like me being at the side of the computer when coming up with a price and asked me to move to the counter front so I knew something was up straight way so Luke after buying from u r store and seeing ebay prices u had ripped me off and that will be the last time u will see me there. In saying that the chandlery and accessories are reasonable priced as I do purchase from them.. I think Buz has said it all about businesses come and go... cheers see ya on the water
fishy fingers
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the fat guy down there when
the fat guy down there when giving me the quote didn't like me being at the side of the computer when coming up with a price and asked me to move to the counter front
And so he should....it's no buisness of yours what he pays for it only what he charges you if you dont like it go else where. anybody who owns a buisness will charge as much as he can for a given product and who can blame him
only someone who dosent own a buisness would say they are being ripped off it's simple supply and demand if people are willling to pay for it then it's their choice if not then so be it. What a buisness man marks up is his choice to make
katsy85
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Charge as much as they can?,
Charge as much as they can?, no worries... So they won't have a problem when the customer can save as much as he can, from imports or Internet?
grayzeee
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checkmate!
checkmate!
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
fishy fingers
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Exactly
no one runs a buisness just to make people happy they're in it to make money and thats what they will do
if I could sell for $2000 what I do for $700 then I would...who wouldnt? but if i do try to charge that i would soon be out of buisness because thats the market, if you run a buisness you would understand the costs involved and I dont have to have a buissnes premises so my costs are low compared to some
katsy85
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From what I have read on this
From what I have read on this post and previous, there are people whinging or taking a stab at people for not supporting local, if the business looks after itself, so will the customer.
I ll ask the question has anyone been into a takle shop ( proper 1 not bcf) and actually spoke with the guys in there, recently I went into takleworld mand and bought a fair few rods and reels, they matched Internet prices and the service was great, I think I spent over 4 hrs in there. What Im saying is money talks, everyone looks after themselfs, but have a crack at local and ask if they can match the price, you'll be Suprised!
End of the day people don't want to be ripped off blind, most people understand the costs of storefront and don't mind paying a BIT extra, not heaps.
Rod P
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My question is how did you
My question is how did you decide on that particular prop? Did you first pick Michael's brain to get the info needed then order online?
That's my big issue. People are happy to use local knowledge to get the info they need then expect to pay nothing for that expertise.
This was my comment and you didn't answer that for me?
Also i then went on to add this disclaimer.
At the end of the line i guess buy online if your happy to help prop other country's economy over ours. It is really that simple.
For me i prefer to support local business. I actually will support smaller outlets and pay more for the privilege of being closer or nicer people. But that's me and i agree not everyone is the same. I tend to shop online when i find i can't get customer service locally. For that i have no tolerance. But then again i won't complain about jobs going offshore and local wages eventually having to fall to compensate for the international competition.
dodgy
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His first sentance says it
His first sentance says it was chosen on advice from a US forum....
Edit: sorry, second sentance.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Magneto
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if I could sell for $2000 what I do for $700 then I would...
Fishy Fingers, that's what is wrong with the world today utter greed and contempt for everyone except u r self, the business practise of yesterday was to work out a % markup say 30 - 40 on top of what it cost u and that is OK because we all know that to stock and run a shop has costs attached to it but it is the percentage markup that offends people today because it is often 100 - 150 % over the stock purchase price maybe more on certain items and by being fair about it at 30 -40 % markup u got repeat business year in and year out but the thought today is make as much as u can as quick as u can with the intention of selling in ? years and f*** everybody after that... no repeat business or long term future in mind there... that is how the Financally crisis came about, u have the same mind set. Regarding chosing my new S/S prop it is as I said the forums and iboat has a great site interface to help out as well and for those interested the 4 blades is very smooth across the board the revs where up about 200 - 250 RPM It will be great to better tow a tube or 4 guys with all their gear fishing getting out of the hole .
Doing 5000 RPM into a 13 knot breeze = 27 Knots don't remember if that GPS or speedo
Thanks everybody for their two bobs worth, I enjoyed the reading.... remember 30 - 40 % markup not 150 - 200 % and think about u r son taking over the business instead of wanting to be a millionaire overnight.
Cheers
fishy fingers
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you could'nt be more wrong
first up I never said anything against buying online infact I do it myself but in respect to being greedy what a load of crap! puting 30 or 40% markup on items is not about being fair to the consumer it's about making a profit and being competetitve with other traders, like I said earlier I doubt you would turn down a 100% pay rise would you
why is it that people owning a buisness are being greedy when adding a big markup but with the rest of you it's ok to be paid as much as your boss will pay you and where the hell do you get off accusing me or anybody else of being in it to make as much as we can now and fuck the future, I've been in my buisness for over 30 years and going nowhere and theres plenty like me so you realy dont have any idea what your talking about and while I'm here what about holiday pay we dont get that so instead of a trip to exie costing me around $1500 for a week
it cost me about $3500 and what about sick pay....no sickies for me when the weathers perfect for a fish
I repeat ......you have no idea.
sea-kem
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The finacial crisis came
The finacial crisis came about from American banks lending to people who couldn't repay their loans and who were allowed to just leave the keys and walk away. The Greek crisis is all about corruption not business practice. I am in business too and it's a balancing act. Some clients are willing to pay whatever to get the end product and some are touchy on price so you allow for that. What's the point of overpricing something so you get no repeat business?? I've said this before the only benefit of being in small business is your freedom. The tax man gets the rest. As fishy said no holiday pay,sickies etc I go to work when I'm sick just to keep the ball rolling it's silly but ya gotta do it.
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grayzeee
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If businesses don't learn to
If businesses don't learn to change and adapt to the global market that we have , then their doors will have to close.
Not rocket science.
Just look at the price of Aussie built boats compared to USA. Why would you? (Don't try and kid yourselves Aussie know how to build the best boat)
"if I could sell for $2000 what I do for $700 then I would...who wouldnt?"
everyone would , but If you're in a business , don't cry foul when people shop around to get it cheaper. you'd be digging your own grave.
I agree Magneto
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
bsir
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Online shopping
I have no problems with people buying stuff online.
It aint for me, I prefer to use a local shop, but basically that is about making it easy for me (go to the shop, buy it and I have it there and then).
What does upset me is people using local knowledge from local buisnesses, and then buying online from other suppliers who have not provided either their time or service in helping the buyer to make a decision.
If you buy online, do your own research and run the risk that it might not be exactly as you want, or shop local, lay hands on the product and have local support.
In this case it sounds like Magneto did his own research, shopped around, made his own decision and got something he was happy with. personally I wouldnt have the knowledge to do this on something like a prop and also like to fiddle so would like to try 2 or 3 props before purchasing. This would come at a premium cost of buying local, but thats the service I would pay for.
As for this post, thanks for the info magneto, good to know there are options and although this got off track with the buy local / online debate it is still good to read others opinions.
Willlo
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Have you had a chance to try
Have you had a chance to try it out Magneto ? I agree with you mate havent entirely given up on local tackle stores yet but after going into one the other day and being told by a 19yr old girl behind the counter (was asking about servicing of my Saltiga reels) that they probably had sand in them wtf never been near a beach with them. She argued the point and wouldnt call the manager for me, i just walked out. Point is unless you can talk to a senior sales rep you may as well buy online, cause junior staff no F all . Must be frustrating for the owners of the store not being able to pay a wage high enough to keep staff with a bit of knowledge, but thats life if you pay peanuts then you get monkeys.With internet today and if your keen enough you can research most products and make a decision all on your own without milking info from local suppliers.
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Rod P
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Grayzee Aussie boat builders
Grayzee Aussie boat builders can't compete with price on American boats for one reason. Economies of scale. Online Business is the way of the future eventually because Australian business simply cant compete with the shear quantities that are sold somewhere like the USA.
That and the boats simply arn't designed to last more than 10 to 15 years but thats another point.
Honestly all small business will mostly go the same way. You will simply end up eventually having little choice were you shop as we will have all sent the little guys out of business.
So a local agent for props might sell maybe 2000props a year? (i'm guessing as i don't 100% know but with 20 plus years boating retail experience i think its a good guess) the guy you dealt with in USA might sell 10000 or even 20000 a year. That is simple economies of scale. As for local business having huge mark up. Some might i have no doubt but I'd bet you that a local solas prop reseller would even have 40% mark up.
grayzeee
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Well ,that's it.
Well ,that's it. Unfortunately the cost of things / mark up here has risen to such a degree that it's cheaper to ship a boat over from halfway round the world. Madness isn't it.
Perth , now worlds 19th most expensive city and going up.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Magneto
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No holiday pay or sickies
Fishy Fingers, I apoligise if u think I have offended u or anyone else for that matter, regarding holiday and sickie pay I don't get them either and when I want to fish during the week it cost me big time but I am over the money thing and I will always give the local guy a chance to give me a better deal of course it will never be as good as some internet sales but I believe it's a good thing when they are willing to try to make a deal but alot businesses just arent interested in even considering to make a deal Nike running shoe $180 here $90 online said to the guy I use two pairs a year give me a reasonable deal and I ll keep coming back told me to F*** off and buy them online, not interested! so I did from Amazon.
for those interested the 4 blades is very smooth across the board the revs where up about 200 - 250 RPM It will be great to better tow a tube or 4 guys with all their gear fishing getting out of the hole .
Doing 5000 RPM into a 13 knot breeze = 27 Knots don't remember if that GPS or speedo(3 adults and fishing gear onboard)
Looking for a splash cover for the DF140 steamer suit material type they want as much as the S/S prop for a motor cover??????????
fishy fingers
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I take offence
at your suggestions that a buisness man is being greedy if he marks up more than you think is fair in reality I think the average markup these days is an average of 20 to 30% and as little as 5% on some items
I dont blame anyone for buying online if they can save money it's only like a buisness owner making what he can, you want to save it he wants to make it. and grayzee that is exactly why I dont sell a $700 product for $2000 at the end of the day if you dont like someones price go somewhere else but dont insult buisness owners by calling him greedy.
Dundee bill
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Welcome to the real world of
Welcome to the real world of internet purchasing, why would you pay $200.00 local when you get the same item for $75.00 on line, its a no brainer, by the way that is just an example of life as it is today. Just a thought how many of us have bought items on ebay rather than buy local ?? quite a few I would say. Example, I just purchased a pair of trainers on line for $34.00 including postage, cost in the shops $160.00 and that was from an australian on line business. I would love to go and buy local every time I but due to over inflated costs and poor service within some of our retail outlets I will buy on line and think nothing of it .Embrace it, on line shopping is here to stay so get used to it.
holth
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Dont blame you Magneto, some
Dont blame you Magneto, some of the saving are huge. If you want advise, thats what forums like this are for.
On line of late for me, Needed to buy 10 stainless steel spigots for frameless glass pool fencing. local mob wanted $130 each, found a guy on ebay selling the exact same product for $59 each , and this is from Melbourne not overseas. Was a great deal delivered to my door in 5 days. local mob can get stuffed.
grayzeee
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fishy fingers , let me see if
fishy fingers , let me see if I understand you correctly
You don't blame anyone for shopping online with the prices available, and thats your justification for hiking the prices.
"puting 30 or 40% markup on items is not about being fair to the consumer it's about making a profit "
mmmmmm how's that gonna end?
What most "consumers" here have said, is the markup here is ridiculous, and if it were more reasonable, people would be far more inclined to shop locally.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
fishy fingers
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No
what I mean is the level of mark up isnt to satisfy consumers it's to make a profit for the seller I'm not trying to say shop local instead of online I'm saying it's up to a buisness to sell for what he wants if people dont buy his product then so be it but it's in his best interest to keep it as low as possible. no one is being ripped off, if they think it's too expensive at a given shop then thats ok
shop somewhere else
I wonder how many people would accuse ryan from oceanside of ripping them off because he marks up his goods he wont tell you how much profit he makes on a product and nor should he but people shop there for the service. put it this way if the internet dissapeared tomorrow shops would hike their prices as they wouldnt have to compete with online stores and they would do that because they are in the buisness of making money not charity
Rod P
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My only issue is that when
My only issue is that when there are no local shops. We will have to buy online and then people will complain that they will have to wait for everything. The other issue i have is people buy online but then whinge when they lose there jobs as a flow on effect from having local retail business failing.
Think Rural Australia. They have lost there local retailers as they couldn't compete with city retailers. We will simply be the same but on a international degree that's all.
And yes you can ship a boat from USA cheaper than you can bring it over from the East. WHo on here is in the shipping/trucking game? Tell me your not making 300% on us poor West Australians? We all now thats not the case.
Rick
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Not even Close
Rod,I have been in Transport for over 20 years, and believe me, we could only wish the margins where that high.
With what you have to pay for good operators, purchase a 350k truck, that is worth bugger all after 5 years on the road You would be very surprised just how low the margins are. No where near the mark-up of the average retailer
I have purchased plenty of stuff on-line, Some because you just cant get it here, some because it is so bloody cheap. On the other side of the coin, have also spent plenty in local tackle stores on good quality gear.
Cheers
Rick
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crasny1
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I have to admit I am more local than internet
Especially for fishing gear, I am a bit off a "I want it now, go get it" type, and wouldnt want to wait for something I want and need for fishing. But because off this I get a good deal from the Local Tackle shop, and for high end products I barter with an internet price and so far the cost hasnt been vastly different, and I get it now and can use it as soon as I am on the water. Sorry Pale Ale, I think Adam (Adventure Sport's Karratha) doesnt like you, probably because you told a staffy to F-off. I have had no issues with him matching prices to a certain degree that I am happy to pay.
As for others - Classic example. I like and wear a particular boat shoe. Timberland to be precise. 1 Pair in Perth $240 (shiite but they last ages). Looked on the web $75US each delivered. Bought 3 pairs for less than 1 here, because when I did it the Ozzy$ was 108 to the US. Now who wouldnt do that, and Timberland here has gone bust, you can now only get them from the East, but even though they get them direct from Timberland International its still $240????
Economy off scale sure, but not 300%. If they were $100 here I would think about shopping local.
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pale ale
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Hey, Neels.Just heard that
Hey, Neels.
Just heard that Adventure Sports is closing down????
Could be a big takeover???
pricey10
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What the f#
What the f#
Karratha. WA
pale ale
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The owner may be in trouble
The owner may be in trouble for "being a dodgy Bandit"
pricey10
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Mmmmm... Thats a shame, I
Mmmmm... Thats a shame, I liked the bandit
Karratha. WA
pale ale
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Yeah, I liked him too. Just
Yeah, I liked him too. Just got pissed off when he blatantly lied to my face, then tried to rip me off again.
Hopefully it all works out and his staff dont lose their jobs
Rod P
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An article in weekends paper
An article in weekends paper talking about money laundering or something so i was told.
pale ale
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Maybe a BCF style franchise
Maybe a BCF style franchise will take over? There would be millions worth of stock in that place.
Lastchance
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I wonder how they will
I wonder how they will handcuff him?
crasny1
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Oooh Low blow
Neels
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crasny1
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Yeh mate
Heard that. I dont know if its permanent or temporary.
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SABRE
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I believe that some clothing
I believe that some clothing stores are now charging a fee if people come in and want to tyr on clothes. This stops people trying them on for size and then going home and buying them online. I think if you purchase the clothes then they waive this fee. Now that is the way of the future and business adapting to online sales.
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Rod P
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Rick i know only too well how
Rick i know only too well how much money is made in Australian Transport industry. It is just my point that the Australian business can not compete with the might of the US.
You can bring a boat to WA from the USA cheaper than you can from NSW. That is crazy.
Andy_b
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well fark it then lets buy a
well fark it then lets buy a house from the usa and save a bit and why we are at it buy some land to and have that shipped over also.
Craig J
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Lets have a sit and think
As long as we all want our 50K to 100K or more salarys we will always be expensive in Australia. Its a no brainer everyone is at fault here not just the resaler he is the one paying you your wages you demand.
Lets all take a 50% pay cut get rid of supper and workers comp and then we could likely reduce all produce by 60%. Our generation has done this to Australia I do feel sorry for our kids. Yes we are better off now you say, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Ryan C
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transport
I too have been in the Transport and Crane Hire business for 20 years in various roles (now operations Manager) in a sizable Perth based company and as stated by Rick, often the margins in Transport are remarkably poor and it is getting worse, we run around 40 trucks(and 24 cranes) of various sizes and it is not all gravy i can assure you. cheers
Rod P
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Most business are the same
Most business are the same Ryan. The days of big profits are gone but consumers seem to think that local retailers are taking the piss and selling at ridiculous margins. My point is that simply isn't the truth anymore (for most business) sadly.
hlokk
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But it is the case for a lot
But it is the case for a lot of importers/middlemen ;)
There are quite a few different types of shops that still will only sell something if they can get a 100% markup. Obviously this varies a lot between businesses and between different items. Higher priced things (high end reels, cars, boats) dont have anywhere near the markup for cheaper items. While some people may be confused about how wide this is, they are still aware that it does actually happen sometimes.
If I can buy an item retail from the US from a brick and mortar store that has an online arm and ship it over here with priority airmail shipping for perhaps 30-50% off the price here, then someone is making a lot here. Its examples like this that give rise to the consumer perception that some (some!) retail chains are ripping them off. Note that it may not be the actual retailer thats taking the cream, but to the consumer, the process is definitely adding a lot and the retailer is the face of that. The consumer doesnt care about all the details inbetween so ultimately its up to the retailer to ensure that their sources arent ripping them off. The customers control is choice of retailer, not any of the other points in the chain. If a retailer is loosing customers and wants to keep them, then they need to look at the step in the chain up from them, just as the retailer does.
Rod P
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Name me a type of business
Name me a type of business that is making 100% mark up? on product. And don't say a boat bung at $3 dollars. Name me a product that sells for around $100 mark, that you know of that has 100% mark on?
Buz
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Pretty much any form of
Pretty much any form of clothing or footware. I buy all my clothing(mainly because its cheaper) and footware online, and no i dont go try them on in a store before i buy, i know what size i am and have been for a while.
Got myself a new set of Merrell Hiking boots for upcoming NZ trip. Retail in Oz $499.00. Got them delievered to my door for US$169.00
But like Hlokk was saying most Business may not be hiking the price up 100% but if you can find a cheaper price online by more than 50% someone somewhere in the chain is hiking it up substantially but even if it isnt the retailer doing it they unfortunantly cop the blame is the point i think he was trying to make.
I mean if i can get my boots for the price i did, why wouldnt a retail store just buy them the same place i did then mark it up only 100% instead of the price difference i see of nearly 200%?
hlokk
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I specifically mentioned that
I specifically mentioned that markups would be lower on higher priced items. For businesses that have some items at 100% markup, the vast majority of this will be goods under $50. However, customers are aware that 100% markups happen and that may influence their thinking, even if they extend it where it doesnt apply, to products that have much smaller markups. I am aware that as you move up the price scale the markups decrease and I mentioned this.
Using data from the ABS http://www.smh.com.au/business/markup-tables-20110524-1f1ga.html
Clothes and shoes: 142% (clearly a lot of these items are $100+ RRP. Some may be 200-300% markup)
Manufactured goods: 97%
Electronic goods: 82% (some higher end items will not have anywhere close to this though)
Furntiture: 72% (obviously $100's or $1000's for some)
Average: 65%
Pretty much half the stuff at Harvey Norman, haha. The expensive tv cables can have a markup of over 100% and can be over $100.
Some cosmetics, Jewellery, Telescopes, Non-standard tyres, Anything wedding related, anything funeral related, probably most automotive parts.
Obviously the list for <$10 items is a fair bit bigger understandably (popcorn can be over 1000% markup :P).
Apart from maybe clothing shops, markups will not be high for all things they sell.
Ironically, the average markup consumers assume is less than reality.
This is of course ignoring the "Australia markup" where what we can buy something for at retail here may cost half the price overseas also retail.
pale ale
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Probably most crap that women
Probably most crap that women buy on impulse would be severely marked up.... They dont understand the value of money
hlokk
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Difference between men and
Difference between men and women:
A man will buy a $1 item for $2 that he needs.
A woman will buy a $2 item for $1 that she doesnt need.
:p
Rod P
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I'm fairly sure you will find
I'm fairly sure you will find that list refers to total mark up from Supplier to retailer. Not Retailer mark up. I have know alot of people in all this industries and they would all disagree with those park up numbers.
Rob H
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there are heaps of examples
there are heaps of examples here, but maybe need to go back to the original post, and decide if around 100% markup on the US retail price is excessive or not?
I'll throw it out there that you'd have 2 chances to get it right, and a spare prop to flog afterward if wrong?
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Rod P
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Maybe the real question Rob
Maybe the real question Rob for me is what is local industry worth?
I'm happy I've been understood and i appreciate everyone is different. I have no issue with buying overseas and don't judge, just wanted both sides of the argument to be understood, which i believe has been done.
Magneto
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Thanks everyone for their comment
That said > They certainly don't miss a chance to try and sink their teeth in when a opportunty cums knocking and regarding the term of ripped off is how I feel when someone has had a lend of me. Thanks for the comment, enjoyed the reading
PJAY
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internet buying......
interesting read guys.......but unfortunately the way technology is heading there is a reality that within the very near future all shopping may be done on line? Current businesses need to adapt to change and they may very well be just a shop front for advice and an internet provider for the goods. just about every product you buy now has a review somewhere on the internet......just saying...
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Magneto
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Internet reviews
Pjay, I am big on internet reviews there is not much I purchase that I haven't read a review on it. Cheers