Spot Pingers
Submitted by jarradb on Thu, 2013-02-21 16:35
was out on a mark today and after the 2nd time over it got a small pinkie and while releasing it with release weight had this wa*#er come up behind us, Ping my spot and fish it so we couldn't get on it so we moved on.
Peoplelike this should be shot! I've done the hard hrs getting my marks and when people are to lazy to do it them self they need to lean some respect or have some one like myself teach them when we see them back at the ramp but lucky we didn't come back across them. Thought i would post a pic so if u see this wa*#er you know what t to expect! !
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Photo
photo was taken with a phone too with out any zoom!
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wheres the photo, cant find
wheres the photo, cant find it?
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If you
read the whole thread you will see it's been taken down
oz74
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Name and shameLove it.looks
Name and shame
Love it.
looks within casting distance of a 20oz sinker
Where were you fishing out from?
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Orange Flouro???
was there a Workplace Health and Safety officer on board???
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Nice boat
Nice boat
Muppet
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you
r joking ????
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Two rocks
was ot from two rocks when we passed the mark on our way back 3hrs later he was still there so that spots stuffed now. What got to me the most was i dropped a big dhuie just after we saw its coulors on my last drop before this so hopefully we shut it down and he got nothing!
iana
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Water Rage
I wonder how long its going to be before we see a case of "water Rage", you know, a boading and punch up. Interesting body language, both turned away from you. Sorry your trip was messed up.
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Water rage
i wanted to jump over and teach them respect but Manny deckie talk me out of it. Lucky for them anyway!
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just a thought
I dont want to detract from the issue of 'pingers'. They are wankers for sure.
But maybe, just maybe this bloke already had the spot marked ? Surely someone wouldnt be that brazen ? would they ?
But even if he did maybe the best thing for him to have done was go fish somewhere else and leave you alone.
Thats what I would have done.
Terry
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I woulod have told him to
I woulod have told him to piss off if he sat right on my drift. Even if he did have it marked, fish somewhere and have some respect for fellow fishers space.
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artygunner
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I've seen that boat around a
I've seen that boat around a bit I am sure of it. I can't beleive that they did that - height of rudeness! You were the bigger man though so well done. I'm not sure I would have done the same.... could see a few sinkers thrown.
Did you manage to get anything else on your day out?
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And I hate to tell you, if
And I hate to tell you, if he was there for 3 hours I doubt that it was 'shut down'. Shithouse..
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Poor form
Poor form no doubt, but as was said previously, how do you know he pinged "your" spot? If you had already drifted off it to release your fish and he went straight onto it, sounds like he may have already had it marked? Either way, I reckon it's a bit rude to fish in your back pocket. On the flipside, perhaps some friendly conversation and education could have sorted things out?
I'm not sure why everyone's immediate redneck reaction is to throw sinkers, yell abuse, board them & assault them or assault them back at the ramp? FFS it's just a fishing spot? Even if he did ping you and show zero respect with what he did, move on and fish somewhere else, it's supposed to be relaxing and enjoyable?
My opinion only, I'll now withdraw to a safe distance so any flying sinkers miss me.
Cheers,
BD
Lamby
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Mmmm, interesting...Have you
Mmmm, interesting...
Have you ever done this yourself previously where you arrive at one of your 'marks' & another boat is there so you jump on the drift? I only ask because there seems to be a few members here that will see this as acceptable but I never asked the question directly.
Ps. not personal Browndog just genuinely interested
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Hi Lamby
Hi Lamby.
Short answer: Never done it, & wouldn't consider it acceptable wether he pinged the spot or already knew it.
Long answer: Honestly Lamby I haven't ever done this before, my fishing is usually for bread and butter stuff like KG's etc, so it's not usually confined to a "spot". In fact I think I have a total of about 5 "marks" saved on my GPS, and pretty sure two of those are where I have left a stuck anchor. I do have some general areas where I fish (close to shore and landmarks so no GPS coordinates required), and often there is a boat already there. If that's the case I'll pull up at what I deem to be a polite distance away (a lot closer than 400m away) and do my own thing with a friendly wave. Never had any issues, and I have certainly had boats pull up to me a LOT closer than what I would consider polite, but no harm done. If there was an issue, my thoughts are it just isn't worth the hassle, I'd move on to another patch of ocean.
If the guy was pinging, I understand peoples frustration. If he wasn't, does he really deserve to be abused/sinkers launched at/assaulted just because he is a rude prick with no respect for other fishermen's personal space? I think not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the guy, whichever way you look at it I don't think he was doing the "right" thing. Just don't think some peoples reaction is entirely justified.
There will always be pricks in life, unfortunately there is no choice there. How we react to them is our choice.
JarradB, from your description it does sound pretty clear he was pinging, if he had to do circles to get the exact spot. Low act, and yes, you shouldn't have to move on as you were there first. The outcome: He will probably do it again because a) it worked, b) you left, and c) if the was there for 3 hours he probably has a bunch of fillets now. Perhaps if the situation was discussed (in the friendly way, not the launching sinkers way) he could be educated in the error of his ways? However unlikely, he could be a novice to boating/fishing or perhaps from another country and have no idea he is doing anything wrong. (I know it's common sense and common courtesy, but I've never seen it in a skippers ticket exam, fisheries publication or similar) Perhaps we should get some publicity on the issue and get Jacko to do a write up in Saturday's West about doing the "right thing"
Cheers all,
BD.
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Cheers BD, great response. I
Cheers BD, great response. I must admit when I first read your post I thought "hang on, I have read his posts before & did not expect this" so thanks for the clarification.
I have seen the excuse so many times before 'I have this spot marked in my gps also' - doesn't give you the right to be on the other boat ya knob!
1) In a very rare instance, yes they do have it marked but why would you go up & fish it because the other boat might be just off it & you will potentially give it away.
2) You are one of those pinging phucks whom comes up marks the lump & states "I have this spot already, it's a big ocean... wank,wank,wank" - you sir are something that rhymes with 'nyunt' & stop trying to excuse your nyunty behaviour, cop what you are!
Said it before on this site & worked well surfing in my younger days with 'tribal law' which was unwritten & everyone knew it, if you didn't you got schooled quickly. Would be a good idea to have this in fishing (I think it already exists) but there seems to be too many nyunts
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ok, ok, ok.
For those that say, this guy may have had the spot marked already.
That may be. it is a f#%$@#@ing big ocean. As i once had a pinger say to me from 7 feet away !
If i am on a spot and someone else is on a course to coincidentaly meet up with it, they should go somewhere else until i have finished.
I know that i do the same. If i get somewhere and there is a boat on it, i will piss off somewhere else and come back later. If it is a large area of fishing ground, that is different. It it is small like most, then wait until it is finished with.
That is not the only place you will catch fish. Or the other answer is, get 200mt of rope and anchor on the bastard.
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Spot marked
He didn't have it marked cos I hold my boat on the spot using the throttle, once I did notice this tosser coming straight up behind me and was with in 30 mtrs or so I put it into nutural and with just about no drift he came up right behind me then once I drifted off a bit he motored around and around til he found the ground, if he had the spot already 1) he would not of come up until I had left and 2) he would not of needed to do a few circles to get one it.
IN MY OPINION a lot of people have the money to buy big flash boats so they have the money to put the hrs in and find there own spots!!!!
I have been on my way to spots before and seen someone within a 3/400mtrs of my mark so I've gone straight passed the mark and come over at a later time when the other boat is not in the area, the only reason anyone would come up that close is if u know the other boat or your pinging their spot otherwise a normal respectful human would skip that mark and come back to it later when the other boat has left!!
As far as in the abuse/violence , when I'm the only boat in a 2/3km area and he heads straight for me, that sort of person don't deserve a polite word, and if they did get one wankers like that would still do the same anyone else and say shit sorry my bad, then you would think oh he didn't mean it, but u knot knowing and different, your probably the 150th person he has done it too!!
So it is a big ocean and I was there first so why should I leave cos of a wanker like that!?
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We have a gentlemen's
We have a gentlemen's agreement where we fish out of where if someone hit's a juicy spot they might "call you over" There are a couple of boats I share my spots with (not all mind you ;) As said it's a big ocean plenty of room out there. So no reason to sit down someone's neck.
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This happened to me
Last time out!, but they had enough manners to wait until I moved before coming over and circling right were I'd had been! Big expensive trophy with the big ball on the roof, I made an extra effort to go wide when getting close to them only to see them up on my ass an hour later.
I thought was I on his spot or did he have a radar and wait till I had moved! I'll never know, but at least he waited until I had moved!
Some people just don't care! You did the right thing by leaving it but the wrong thing by not keeping an eye on the closing boat, you just never know when some pole smoker is going to sneak up ya!! Lol
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Blah Blah Blah Blah
Bad manners thats all. He's probably gone 10 miles to find you sitting on his spot!!! You need to take a chill pill Jarrad. Calling people wan###s and taking photo's. Really?
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Good luck with that comment
Good luck with that comment WC , unless the accused comes on and states otherwise , if you act like a wanker , expect to be called a wanker ...
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The subject has been flogged many times on this site.
Jarrad needs to get over himself. He sounds like a complete woodduck. Threatening to teach a guy a lesson back at the ramp. Gives us a break. If he has spent all that time marking his own spots move on to another one and hopefullyhe can pull up more than 1 undersized snapper and a 'dhuie' that got away.
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So we just suck eggs and let
So we just suck eggs and let trhe the wankers of this world get away with it? You're either a sheep or the bloke on that boat.
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Either way I guess he is one
Either way I guess he is one of those Nyunts
West Coast
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You're a cnut Lamby.
I have lost count of the amount of times I have been diving and come up to see boats drifting within close proximity, or fishing and seen boats coming near. You don't see me carrying on and taking photos and threatening people. Half the wood ducks on this site are probably fishing lead lights or structure that is marked on every plotter going around. Besides just about every lump, patch and spec of hard bottom more than likely has a pot on it sometime of the year so if you think you are the only one with your special spot you are dreaming.
Sure it is bad etiquette but no need to threaten people and carry on like a tuff guy and say crap like 'he was lucky he wasn't at the ramp when I got in', or lucky my mate stopped me. It just shows Jarrad is a goose for staying on the spot if he thought it was that special, and probably a bigger wood duck than the guy that came over if he gets so worked up.
I have a problem with people taking photos of other peoples boat and then shit caning them and posting on this site. From what I can see from similar episodes on here there is always 2 sides to every story. At worst it is a guy who has no idea looking for a fish. Hardly a reason to photo, shit cane and threaten violence.
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If I wanted my own come back
If I wanted my own come back then I would have wiped your Mum's chin champ!
Did I say that I threatened people, took photos, 'tought guy act' etc. or the other half of the shit you're flinging?? Anyway in case you respond it's a rhetorical question peanut.
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Ha!
That is definately the 'come back' of the year to date!
Nice one Lamby.
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Better comeback would be to
Better comeback would be to ask Lamby to stop posting his honeymoon pics in Friday Funnies
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Sorry Lamby couldn't resist!!
Ps don't go looking for the pic it was removed but I can tell you it involved a naked guy and mans best (for want of a better word considering the pic) friend!!
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The dog looked like it was
The dog looked like it was used to it. Sorry Lamby ;)
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Tell me a dog that doesn't
Tell me a dog that doesn't love a bone? Lol
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Ha ha you sick F%%ker your
Ha ha you sick F%%ker your as bad as me.
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West Coast
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Feel free
Feel free to wipe my mums chin. She died 2 years ago, but if you are into that shit good luck to you.
Sorry if you thought I was accusing you of saying that crap. Perhaps my writing was misleading. It was Jarrad I was referring to. However I see his original post has now been moderated and changed somewhat. Probably a smart idea, though judging by his first post I wouldn't have thought he would have had the smarts.
terboz123
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whats your boats name? im
whats your boats name? im going to follow you out and "ping all your spots"...............we will see your reaction haha
sorry mate, the last month im only starting to see the odd quality fish, and thats by friends helping me by putting me in general areas and if some one came and pinged my shit would hit the fan....i fished for a year and a half catching the odd demercal etc etc and i never pinged and there were many fishless days. If he had the spot alreaedy and some one was sitting on it, well moove on.
the oceans too big to be sitting on a mark with another random boat. If he had limited marks and really wanted to fish, go sound some where else and find more marks. to me its blatently obivous he pinged.
pretty simple if you ask me.
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Chill
Terboz perhaps when you have caught a few more fish and spent more time out there you will realise it is pretty bloody easy and not worth the angst in getting so upset. People who drop in on others clearly have no idea.
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so your completely happy with
so your completely happy with handing out your hard earned marks??
a hard days fishing still beats work
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Marks
Head north out of Two Rocks or South out of Lancelin between April and June and mark every pot you see. I almost guarantee you will have my spots!!! I guarantee you will also have just about all the spots people are so precious about.
Reading through Jarrad's comments he is clearly an idiot with limited fishing experience. He has no right to threaten, name and shame and photograph people and then publish on the internet.
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I guess I have alot of your spots then West Coast
As most would have had the familys pots on them at one stage.
I will also correct you on the other point you made Jarrads a gun fisho all you have to do is ask him and he will tell you.
The boat in question was out off Mindarie yesterday and I saw them at the ramp. Seemed nice enough. One of the boats that has pinged me in the past was even nice enough to lend me a hose adapter after I snapped mine.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
fishmad69
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Everyone know the boat now
Everyone know the boat now and will be looking out for it. He not alone in the pinging department.There is a pretty big following on Fishwrecked. If he did have the same mark he should not have stopped on it and he should have moved to another spot. Unwritten law between us men.
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It doesnt matter if the
It doesnt matter if the alleged pinger already had the spot marked west coast. Good manners should see him find something else to do until jarrod had finished fishing the spot if he was so desperate to fish it. Its a big ocean with plenty of new ground to find so why not make the most of an opportunity IMO.
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Bad Manner
Yep, sure is bad manners, and I think this give him the right to call him a wanker...because the other guy is being a rude prick.
Bad manners is not an excuse for being a prick. Actually, it probably is the excuse, but still not acceptable. Typical of todays society. Common decency has gone out the window.
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marrisy
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wWe were divind a shallow
wWe were divind a shallow spot at Peacefull bay, and some bloke in a large tinny came over whil we were down, and started throwing sinkers and abusing my elder son. Seeing sinkers dropping down where we were on the bottom taking photoes, I surfaced to abuse and threats. This tosser told us to f^($ of as we were in his whiting spot. I wonder if he tells people we were pingers? We were leaving any way.
Another time , we were fishing for squid, and an old fella crused through our lines , within spitting distance, and ahen I commented he was a bit rude, he simply said" been using this spot for 40 years, and will continue to use it". Takes all types to fill the world.
Went to one of the fads yesterday, 5 of us in two boats, every one there was lining up , taking turns to drift past and through the bird action, we did ok . About 11.00ish , a boat appears and trolles straigh through the birds, the birds left, maby they would have shut down anyway, we didn't get another bit after that, and about 12.00 a pod of dolphins appeared, so we called it a day.
Marrisy.
Paul H
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If I was in the situation
If I was in the situation where I arrived at a marked spot and another boat was on it I would either go elsewhere or if for some reason I had or wanted to still fish it I would at least be polite enough to have a chat to the guy and explain the situation not just pull up and drop lines. Anything else is just plain rude fullstop.
Personally I don't see the point in having a go at anyone they are bound not to see the point if they are an idiot anyway. I had something similar happen to me so I just left after doing a few tight circles to make some noise. On that occaison I'm glad my motor is an older model and not so quiet as the later models.
If the sopt is a well known reef etc, its a different matter obviously but still have a chat to say gidday before dropping lines.
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I had this battle up north with a bloke
I worked with this bloke at a fishing camp.
Although this bloke I had a problem with decided to do a midnight raid on my boat and tax the spots out of my GPS.
To me this says that, that particular person is incompentent and does not know how to fish.
He then proceeds to delete the spots that he had taxed out of the GPS. He didnt like the fact that I was getting more and bigger fish than his boat.
Have you heard of skiing your baits. You need to keep your eyes peeled and be prepared to move. The slightest feeling of "that boat is headed at us" and slowly idle your way out of there.
Its a pain in the arse, but it will save your spot getting raped.
So dont feel to bad mate, think smart!!!
Don,t get mad, just catch more and bigger fish somewhere else.
The sucky thing is, that he probably could have asked, and I probably would have given him the spot.
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Yep, after being pinged on a
Yep, after being pinged on a few of my very hard earnt spots, once we see a boat coming our way we now up jigs immediately and motor toward the incoming boat....
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like!
like!
a hard days fishing still beats work
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Interesting
There is a big difference between pinging and bad manners. Bad manners can easily be proven, pinging not so much. There is no guarantee that this guy didn't know the spot and the reality that we need to accept is that in Perth it is almost likely that atleast 10 other boats know of your "secret spot". Jumping to the conclusion of pinging is not necessarily correct.
Even using the evidence that he sounded around the area before stopping doesn't really mean much as even though I have my spots in GPS it still takes me blimming 5 mins to find the exact area or to motor around and have a look at what is crawling on the finder.
The above is just my opinion and can be ignored or disputed by you guys but there is 1 fact everyone should take notice of - If you launch a sinker at a boat or aggressively go up to someone at a ramp than you are a bigger idiot than the other guy no matter what he did.
Launching a sinker at some guys boat is tantamount to playing Russian roulette as you have no idea who the guy is, what anger issues he has or what he is capable of doing. You launch a sinker at his boat and he launches a fist through your head - was it worth your spot??
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*facepalm + sigh*
*facepalm + sigh*
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agree
"Even using the evidence that he sounded around the area before stopping doesn't really mean much as even though I have my spots in GPS it still takes me blimming 5 mins to find the exact area or to motor around and have a look at what is crawling on the finder. "
Especially up north where the ground is likely to be a patch not a lump. In fact Id stick my neck out and say it doesnt show much fishing "nous" to roll up to a GPS and mark and just blindly launch everything over WITHOUT sounding around at all?
Easy for your GPS to be 20 meters out on a given day.
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Lol, no wonder there is a
Lol, no wonder there is a problem exisiting on the water with these attitudes expressed on here.
How hard is it to go to another mark & do your sounding around there, why do so many on here think that this accepatble to fish on top of another already on a mark? Absolute phucking jokers
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Manners
But that is why I am saying there is a big difference between bad manners and pinging.
It probably was bad manners, I wasn't there and only see one side of the story so cant really judge but it looks on the face of it to be bad manners. There is no one disputing this.
But is it pinging? Well that's not really provable.
Not to mention if I was to put up a photo of every single boat I had come across that had bad manners the site would be inundated (as well there would be photos of my boat as well probably. We are all guilty of doing something rude at one point in time intentionally or not).
I don't like this name and shame idea, I think it gives people a license to destroy credibility in a kangaroo court scenario.
I just don't like the idea of everyone threating to throw sinkers or confronting at the ramp because there are a lot of younger kids on this site who will one day borrow daddy's boat and think it is ok to behave in that matter.
The excuse of "but I saw guys talking about doing it all the time on fishwrecked" doesnt fly when explaining why your mate got messed up after you threw a sinker at an irate fishermans boat.
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Trying to muddy the water
Trying to muddy the water here? Can't see in any of my responses about retribution.
Is it pinging? Yeah it is but hey you fella's sugar coat away if it helps you get marks without the hard yards.
Don't really know why I am entering into this bullshit anyway, as others have noted we keep an eye out & drive straight at those making a bee line for you or dragging them over shit ground (even more enjoyable)
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I'm out
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Lamby
I'm with you Lamby, its a dog act all round.
Unfortunately there's a lot of pricks in this world and such behaviour is only going to increase as fishing access becomes more and more restricted.
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Missing the point
Hi Lamby, I think you are missing the point a bit. Nobody here is defending the rights of a "nyunt" (love that word) to be a "nyunt", everyone is agreeing that this behaviour is not acceptable, wether he had the mark or not is almost irrelevant. I think people are commenting on the over reaction of "launching sinkers", "yelling abuse", "boarding them and teaching them a lesson" or "waiting for them back at the ramp"
Probably not the best way to resolve the issue or educate the "Nyunts" of the world. I genuinely believe that most people are decent human beings, if you appealed to their good side would most likely result in a more positive outcome - "Hey guys, do you mind? We are already set up on this spot, can you give us a bit of room or maybe come back later" Worst case they say no, bugger off and you are then left with the choice of what to do next. Best case, they say "Sorry mate, our bad, we'll come back later" and off they head, hopefully having learnt a bit.
Or am I just a dreamer?
Cheers,
BD
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You're right in what you say
You're right in what you say mate. I don't really think anyone or mostly anyone on here would follow through with launching a sinker. I think it's more a frustration comment. I would though confront the idiot on the water and ask him wtf he thinks he's doing? I won't tolerate arrogance and rudeness. If he's agressive back call him an arsehole and drive away. I believe in Karma.
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arhh ive had sinkier launched
arhh ive had sinkier launched at the boat in eagle bay for apparently trolling the section to close to shore and if there were any salmon about the beach fisherman wouldnt catch them.... (not where the morings are closer towards meelup/castle)
a nice stop and swim in shore with the baseball bat in hand (used to wak fish over the head....) saw him runnning for his car with all his gear. I had a girl on the boat at it was f***ing close to hitting the boat if not her in the head. And he certainly wasnt local........saw him there the next day again and boy was i getting satisfaction as we caught countless amounts of salmon just out of casting distance for him muhahahahahah
even had the tongue in cheek to reverse idle into shore holding up our limit of salmon asking have you caught one yet....and screamed some certain bad words that shouldnt be said on here....
brett
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MattMiller
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Sorry Brett
But if your within casting range during salmon season your fair game!
Shore based fisho's have enough trouble with morons who cast over you or stand right up in your grill when there is miles of room without having to deal with boats.
You wouldn't be the first boat I've hit and won't be the last.
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For once I actually agree
till
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IIRC Carnarvonite has mention
IIRC Carnarvonite has mentioned it before, but isn't there a 200m exclusion for non-pro boats between the capes for salmon season? Does that stop around the corner because there are markers at some points between the cape and Dunsborough.
Buz
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Its only an exclusion to
Its only an exclusion to boats trolling. They are allowed to still travel through and fish/drift/anchor but are advised to take the shortest route in and out e.g perpendicular to shore, when travelling within the zone. Think it was from Cape Naturaliste to Dunsbrough and 200m out to sea?
This was more so that boaties didnt disturb and scatter the salmon schools so the pro netters could net the whole school at once instead of having little schools all over the place. Was never to aid Rec Salmon Fisherman.
One thing i am not to sure about though is if the exclusion zone still exists during the Easter Long Weekend when the Pro Salmon netters arent alowed to net within that area anyway?
The yellow markers indicate the areas that you have to travel at 5knts or less i think e.g close to shore and the popular bays like Meelup.
jettyrat
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There is no exclusion zone
There is no exclusion zone to boat trolling in geographe bay. The signs were removed when commercial salmon fishing was banned. Boaties can troll along the rocks breaking up the salmon schools and out of casting distance for the shore based anglers . Even if the shore based anglers could cast at the school, nine times out of ten there is a boat in the way. Another example of lack of courtesy to others.
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Oh ok i thought they were
Oh ok i thought they were only banned during the Easter Long Weekend. Guess the total ban you speak of must have come into force in the last three years or so then??? I havent chased Salmon down that way since 2010, the last time there was a decent run. Thanks alot hot water :P
To tell the truth most the times i have had boat encounters when Salmon fishing Dunsborough round to Injidup for the last decade or so the boaties have usually been very accomadating and always hung on the outside side of the school, which usually drives the school closer to shore. Also to that i would hardly say that out of every 10 casts i make a boat would be in the way for 9 of them casts in the Geo Bay side.
If boats are a problem to you, just go round the corner of Cape Naturaliste all the way to Cape Leeuwin to fish for Salmon. Less boaties venture round that way after Salmon. Also i think alot of amatuer boat fisherman probably dont realise how far some people can cast from the shore so it could be more ignorance rather than arrogance
For salmon at least, in the end i dont really care if boaties do come to close to shore as i have always managed to catch heaps of them regardless of boats(well before all this hot water started moving down!) and i aim to release 99% of them anyway. So if i have to sacrafice a few casts to allow a boatie to get a couple i dont mind. Much rather that then getting angry.
Note: not good to cast/throw sinkers at boats in ANY situation. I have seen police come down and charge people(i dont know what charge though) for doing this at Point Piquet. Not to mention your moment of 'agro mucho tough manism' can result in a sinker hitting someone in the head and killing them. Try defend that in a court.
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So you are one of those
So you are one of those morons who fish within casing distance of LB fisho's and you wonder why they get pissed off at you.
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Yep Seakem,thats the
Yep Seakem,thats the call.Although i wouldve driven round in front of him and just continued fishing as if he wasnt there.That would give him the message as well,he obviously had the mark by that time anyway,if you just drive away the guy wearing the black hat wins.
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I think you can take comfort
I think you can take comfort in the fact that he fished 1 lump for three hours (and was still going by the sounds of it) and couldn't catch his 4 fish.
Prick needs all the help he can get!
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We had something like this
We had something like this happen, we were just randomly drifting and this boat comes flying up stops about 1 meter away from us and asks if we have caught anything and wanted to know everything
Asking us what bait we use, what rigs, what type of line we use, we were just sitting there laughing and then this hammer head pops up, so he pulls his lines in and starts chasing the hammer head in his boat.. Some people are just stupid and don't know the boating ethic, some people just don't think and they don't click that it might be rude, seeing them pull up 5 meters from you is annoying but most would get the idea after a nice chat then after they it's sinker time ;)
beau
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How close before it is
How close before it is considered pinging? Believe it or not the first time I ever took the boat bottom bashing outside the sound we had a boat come over and start fishing 30m away. Is that pinging? Not hard to move the cursor on your GPS towards another boat and guesstimate a distance and hit the waypoint button..
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Close
if i wanted to get on his boat i would not of got wet steping over at one point!
Ididn't start this topic to turn members on each other. Only warn others about this tosser!
Cheers to all who supported me and as for the others who back him, u know where we stand and IMO your photo should be put up and shamed if ur willing to do this to someone!!
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Brett
as far as in folling me and seeing my reaction, if u want a pic of my boat t o try it pm me ur number and ill txt u a pic and your welcome to try it as long as u take fun responsibly for the outcome!
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Jarred that wasnt directed at
Jarred that wasnt directed at you.....it was directed at west coast......
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Brett
sorry mate though t it was at me my bad!
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Legally it is 20 metres
a distance of 20 metres where possible unless otherwise agreed.
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Reputation
Well go for it guys, throw your sinkers at other boats as they drive by. Don't forget to keep your head down in case he shoots a spear or throws an anchor back.
Follow someone to the ramp. When you are there make sure you beat him up in front of his family.
By all means exact whatever justice you want because you are all of the belief that it is justified and reasonable.
70% of the time you will probably be doing it to someone who is more coolheaded and reasonable so will shrug it off, 20% of the time you will do it to someone who will throw sinkers back and you will both end up with dinged boats and no fish, 10% of the time expect someone to hurt you......quite badly.
Oh and also name and shame as much as you like guys. Put up photos and criticise and tell stories. Make sure you do enough critising and imply his intentions strong enough to make a defamation suit applicable. Quiet frankly if I found a picture of my boat on a site with a few thousand users and it was implying I was pinging when I wasn't then I would be looking to take legal action (and I don't mean sinker throwing). Not saying the guy wasn't pinging but definitely saying there is not enough proof on either side.
Quite frankly if the above is how us fisherman act then we deserve every bad reputation we are given.
Oh and by the way, constant fights at a boat ramp really helps our fight to get more funding and facilities.
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If one of your boats pull up
If one of your boats pull up less than 5m away from me when miles out, rest assured, I will put a photo up. I probably won't resort to violence, but i'd be pissed off enough to name and shame.
Adam Gallash
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sigh
Not going to bother entering the discussion, but have removed the boat in question before some one threatens me with legal action or something that I don't want to have to deal with.
Oh yeh, threating violence on the internet/social media is the new norm these days, its only going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
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Pingers??
Well it's redneck city today..... yarrrhhoooooo.
I'm with lamby (super chook) quietly having a chat and then leaving with all my sinkers intact........
Now there are over 85000 boats registered in WA even if there are 70000 in Perth area draw a 10 mile arc from the usual ramps and then fill in 70,000 dots... damn that's crowded mmmm
So how many of you have signed the "Don't lock us out" petition??
Whinge and whine and hopefully you've signed.
Because the greens and the Govt who are bowing to their demands are planning to lock up vast tracts of "fishing ground", then ya'll's gonna be pinged to death..
The outcome of campaigns such as this are to herd interest groups into "pens", National Parks being locked up, access to beach fishing locked up, huge no take zones.
Then you will be pinged to death because areas will no longer be available.
So when these types of campaigns are run hopefully you take the time to use some of that energy and sign to support keeping our coast and parks open for the USE of the people.
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leave the photo up I say, I
leave the photo up I say, I don't think I own any spot but first in best dressed, show a bit of respect and find some more ground its not that hard! There's no need when your in a boat to drop in on a drift someone is already on. I am sick of it and try to pull lines before the blow flies pictured arrive but sometimes they still catch you out, recently had 2 boats rock up just like the clowns in the photo. No amount of talking will get you anywhere so shame them, pure and simple they are just rude and they are nothing but bloody idiots, the same people will drop their cray pots on top of yours.
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O photo
why should this tosser have so many people sick up For him when if anyone was on boat you would agree 200% hr marked my spot. And for the photo being taken down u do yhe crime, u pay the price!! Make and shame! PUT IT BACK UP
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Yeh
Your not the one who gets threatened for legal action, the photo had lots of exposure, its time to Chill Winstun.
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Idea of this post
Thanks to all who supported me in this post but it was not intended to start fights between members, as for the ones who stuck up for this tosser, you clearly know where we stand , I just don't understand why you defend him!!! Are you no different?
IN MY OPINION if you do the crime you pay the price, so you should be named and shamed
Ihave a mate who is unbelievable on the web so I might get him to start something for me and do a page for this reason, I'll let you know if it happens!!
Jarrad
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Your so sure he marked YOUR
Your so sure he marked YOUR spot ,mmmmmmI have fished two rocks all my life and will bet I to have your spot ,and fish it when passing by.I no longer give a shit I find new ground every time I go out.WIll agree poor form off the other boat ,but I would have gone and put my boat ontop of his lines and made it real hard for him then he may have got the message and left.
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And if you don't
Im sure I would have it or somewere bloody close.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
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Pingers
Even though they are the lowest of the low, you cannot stop the pricks entirely, naming and shaming will probably have him celebrating with his decky reading these posts over a couple of beers.
The thing to do is motor off the spot or pull anchor and drift away from it and let him do the hard yards trying to find it. With more and more boats hitting the water down that way its only going to get worse and sadly for some its going to mean cases of water / boat rage.
We have a few spots up here like the Koks patch and Lady Joyce wreck where its common to see a dozen boats in a 400 metre radius, everyone knows the spots produce and all get a feed. For most of the newcomers to town someone will present them with a photocopied sheet of about 40 points, that are well known, to get them started. After trying them and getting a taste for whats on offer they usually start to collect their own "secret" spots and get away from the rabble.
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Having the spot
I really don't care if he had it or not , but when he pulled up I watched him marks it on his gps then circle around and around to remark it!! Paul I'm sure your not anywhere near as rude as this guy and if I did bet you there one day and you have the spot I'm sure your not going to pull up to me wherei can step onto your boat off mine,
IN MY OPINION anyone sticking up from him is guilty of the same sh*t!!
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Jarrad how sure can you be he
Jarrad how sure can you be he was marking the spot and not adjusting zoom on the gps etc. or tweaking his sounder if a combo unit?? I could tie up alongside a mates boat and not be able to tell what he was doing on his gps/sounder if he was using it.
Defending him no - just looking at the situation with an open mind. I agree he was probably a w#*ka if he pulled up that close without having a chat regardless of whether he had the spot or not. He was rude by the way he went about it regardless and yes if someone did that to me I'd probably be a little miffed.
Guilty of the same sh*t - no I prefer to fish where the other boats are not. (besides 70% of other boats probably have no idea of what they are doing anyway).
I did head for a boat on one day (the only time I can recall doing so)- The mark in question was on a large bank of sand holes but this hole he was on has a 1ft high ledge about 5 metres from it hence why I like to give it a try first up. Heading for my mark I was unable to tell if he was on the spot or just in line with my bearing to the mark. Once I got to around 100m away I could tell he was pretty well on it so let him have it and went to/found some other spots in the area (without going any closer). He got there first so he was welcome to fish it. He may have even been unaware of the ledge and just happened to pull up on that hole..
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Hey Adam
I think it would be a good idea to lock this subject now there has been a lot of views expressed and the subject has been covered before on this site enough is enough