Tiger Shark back of Tub Rock
Submitted by Tom M on Mon, 2017-12-11 13:49
Had a 4 meter Tiger come up to the boat yesterday when pulling pots out back of Tub Rock (Safety Bay) Last tuesday we had a 3 meter white and the following day a bigger beast 4 meters plus a couple of large bronzies, did not have camera thos edays. The place is crawling with them at present.
A few divers out there as well worry about them.
Video added thanks Adam
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Tom M
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meglodon
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Thats a very big tiger
If you loose a pot up there I think it will be hard to get a diver to recover it for you with that many big sharks hanging about.
Have a talk with Adam for some info on how to up load the video that would be something to see.
PJim
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Hey Tom We had both the
Hey Tom
We had both the whites and a big bronzie out there yesterday. My 12 yr old son was absolutely wrapped to see them and the water was very clear
Tom M
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They are impressive from a
They are impressive from a good boat.
Tom M
PJim
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We in a 3.9 mt tinny
We in a 3.9 mt tinny
mrwinta
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Its a scary dive knowing
Its a scary dive knowing those lot are about... trouble is they are coming to the boat looking for scraps because too many people feed the damn things when they see them... They are impressive to see though.
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Faulkner Family
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prob is so much cray bait in
prob is so much cray bait in the water its going to attract the sharks
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hezzy
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mr Faulkner .... no offence
mr Faulkner .... no offence intended here but
can I please ask you to never start saying that or putting that idea about publicly ........... as it is a complete nonsense in my opinion .but with all the save the sharks emotional BS nowdays people will latch onto it and before you can say boo , pots and burleying for say snapper etc will be banned within 5km of coast
if you look back to when their was a much bigger fleet of cray boats fishing the wa coast , shark no,s and attacks where ?? bugger all
pots don't attract sharks anymore now than they did then ..the no,s have swung around .,,by that I mean the amount of rec pots versus pro pots has reversed ... once pro pots where all along the coast ..now its more likely to be rec pots in the whites especially in metro ...so overall pot no,s I dont think have increased to be responsible in any way ...that's like saying more surfers or swimmers attract sharks
shark attacks and sightings have increased purely because shark numbers have increased !!! full stop what do sharks eat ?? fish and seals etc ... have those numbers of live fish/seals increased in metro and down south here ?? yes absolutely ... the increase in live food has brought bigger concentration of the larger biomass of sharks to our inshore coast here in WA as well as the large migratory whites ..and they now stay in our local waters for longer periods ...because the food source is here ... many of the last 10 years fatal shark attacks happen in time when pot nos are low on the coast , and before the season was opened in oct 15th ...many where in sept and oct as well as places where pot nos are low or non existant like Esperance
its got no correlation with no commercial shark netting or cray pots or burleying ... so id ask people to think carefully before they write or we will end up with more stupid gov laws blocking us from enjoying a lifestyle we currently have
hezzy
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Tom M
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An old Italian local here is
An old Italian local here is the son of a fisherman that had a license to catch sharks in Warnbro Sound back 1945 onwards, speaking to him on what has changed in the past few decades with sharks in the area and he is convinced on the following, sharks have no predators, they (great whites) can live to 100 and now with the fishing bans there are so many snapper around it is all set up for them to thrive. Who am I to challenge him.
Tom M
sea-kem
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Totally agree mate,
Love the West!
triharder
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Craypot's
I would agree about the craypot's not attracting the shark's but It's my opinion that what is bringing them in closer and in greater number's is the lack of food available to them, down here in Esperance 30 years ago we used to see massive schools of Tuna and Salmon, now not so much, sure there are fish out there but just not in the numbers that we used to see, that is my observation and it might not be the same elsewhere.I fish from a kayak and over the last 5 years have only had one encounter with a great white, this was in about 5 meters of water and it was just curious no aggression at all, Chris
Jadeo
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Was out with a mate off
Was out with a mate off mandurah today. As he was about to jump in, a big bronzie buzzed the stern. That was the end of his dive haha!
scano
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In my opinion
There is “more sharks about” simply because it is far easier to photograph and report of shark sightings. 25 Year’s ago they didn’t have phones with cameras, social media like Facebook, Instagram ect.
Add to that where there are more and more large recreational boats hitting the water ( back in the day a 15 foot tinnie was considered a large size rec boat) and you have all the recipe to see and document far more “sightings” than ever. Instead of old mate telling the story of the shark he had seen that day, over a few swan gold’s at the pub, it is now instant upload of the pics and stories to social media.
Just my my opinion that’s all
Marineboy
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Good on you scano
well said.
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
Tom M
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I stopped diving nearly 10
I stopped diving nearly 10 years ago after seeing so many sharks. I dived for crays and spearfished 30 years before that and maybe lucky to never see a great white or tiger in those araes. Not sure they pop up for a camera shot, but agree there are more reported because there are more people loaded up with cameras. But a chat with any pro crayfisherman that has been in the water for the past 3-4 decades and they will tell you numbers have exploded.
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marrisy
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Def more sharks .
Been diving for many years, up until the mid nineties , never saw a shark, from the late nineties started to see sharks, that's when the professionals stopped targeting them I think. now nearly every outing sharks make a pest of themselves. From my experience.
meglodon
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Well said hezzy
On a similar vain I have been betting the drum about people posting up pics of beautiful size fish that look really great, except the photo is spoilt by the captured fish having big streaks of blood running down its flanks.
Yes a lot of people ridicule me and say get over it or if you don't like it don't look at it etc, it's not me that we have to be concerned about.
There are people who will look at these pictures not to admire a great catch, but to say how cruel this "sport" is look at how the fish has suffered with such a great wound in it.
And these people will sit down to a meal of fish and chips, and then be out on the streets protesting about the cruelty inflicted on fish the next weekend.
It only takes a second to wipe down the fish to get rid of the blood etc and it makes for a far better pic to share with all and sundry via social median and the likes.
It is not the people who participate in the sport that are a potential problem, it is people who don't have a reasonable knowledge about the facts of the matter that will get a head of steam and then set forth to inform all by social media, which is a huge force about their uniformed view about what the picture or subject matter is saying showing.
Just my view on things, and what has been said about every one having a camera with them at all times via their mobile phone is so accurate also and as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.
ChrisG
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Hezzy and meglodon spot on
Hezzy and meglodon spot on in every respect.
Greenies and others only need half an excuse to stop us crayfishing and rec fishing...most rec fishos I know do the right thing in regard to size and bag limits, in fact most impose stricter limits on themselves, but like you say a bloodied fish photo or a single comment that our bait in pots can attract sharks and we’ll need a thousand comments to say we don’t do any harm....
Notorious
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International ban on GWS
So we have unchecked GWS numbers, an over abundance of food, but no, logic would not indicate there may be more GWS's around than ever before.
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Yep, should have Great white
Yep, should have Great white fishing charters :)
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
Notorious
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Imagine the revenue and jobs
Imagine the revenue and jobs this would create!
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I'll comment when I get to a proper keyboard.
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Im with scano. Dont like your
Im with scano. Dont like your chances with the sharks then stay in your fuckin pool.
barracuda
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Yep
he visited us this week just south of the sisters, gave the kids a new respect for the ocean
meglodon
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Can anyone get the video to load
For some reason I can't get the video to load, I keep getting a message saying this video is unavailable but doesn't say why it isn't available. grrr
crano
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same for me
same
hezzy
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while it is true there are
while it is true there are more boats, phones , videos, drones or helicopters/people and more ways to capture shark info for the media in all forms nowdays , its a blindly obvious fact that numbers of large migratory sharks and sharks in general numbers have increased since the 1990s
i believe it is only a matter of time that somewhere in the future the state gov is again going to be under pressure to ''DO SOMETHING 'about shark numbers of our coast
when that will be is not known , but imo it is inevitiable that it will happen no matter which gov is in office
whatsort of shark mitigation strategy/tactics they would want to introduce is most likly not going to be something that will work effectivly to reduce the large sharks out there , its highly probable it will be something that meets the publics emotional agenda , but is expensive though not effective
tourism to wa has been dropping , the gov and its agencies have noted this , again im sure the ''shark '' issue in wa is being talked about behind closed doors , but not publicy as an isuse by the gov yet ...
be prepared to see this issue grow if shark sightings and attacks continue as they have in the last decade and at present i cant see any reason why that wont happen
hezzy
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timboon
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Scano.... Would you suggest
Scano....
Would you suggest that more phones & boats has lead us to the unprecedented fatalities and attacks on both sides of the country?
I suggest not.....
Jackfrost80
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but, but there's more people
but, but there's more people in the water Boon. Remember back to the 90's when you used to be able to paddle out to Lefties and South Point for an all day solo session? Me neither...
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
diver
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Shark Mitigation
It seems that the NSW government cares a lot more about it's citezenze who use the ocean for work,Pleasure or relaxing as they will not be changing their shark net operations were as the West Australian government seem to think we,that use the ocean are of far less importance to our families & friends I would not endorse the whol sale slaughter of big sharks but surly those that come into and then are frequently seen close to shore or were humans go should be removed ,I still believe that One human life is far more important than a fish
ranmar850
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I can give a pretty long perspective on this.
I started on crayboats 1977. Inshore Kalbarri, offshore Kalbarri, and a short stint at the Abrolhos over the next three seasons. Hardly saw a shark, would think nothing of jumping over. Started skippering 1979, still didn't see many sharks. Did all my own pot diving( and I had done a lot of pot diving while I was a deckie) , didn't see a single shark while diving, and very few from the boat. Back in those days we used 1 box of bait a day, and it was always eaten, nothing but bones to throw over. get to the mid-late eighties, and we were using more bait, usually in anticipation of crays coming good--if they didn't come good, you were throwing a lot of bait over. We were then using 3 boxes a day for the same amount of pots. Shark numbers were definitely building, particularly in the whites when the gear was concentrated along popular edges in the shallows. People were getting edgy about diving on pots --the only way you could do it was to drive straight up to that pot, having pulled nothing else in the area, and get straight over before they turned up. By the mid-nineties, we were just snapping them off, I certainly wasn't going to dive, and wouldn't ask anyone elese to, although a few were, and even they said the sharks were getting more fearless, instead of pissing off when you hit the water. This was in the area between Kalbarri and Port Gregory. They just weren't scared any more, we'd given up shooting them or catching them for jaws, just too many. I starting doing the early whites in Dongara around the turn of the century--I remember commenting that there weren't that many sharks around, and was told it was probably due to a long-standing habit of a few fishermen of having a few hooks out every day, attaached to your floats, and selling the resultant bronzies for local fish and chips.
Anyway, Kalbarri got worse and worse, and then they start telling us these whaler species are endangered. You can imagine our collective response, and Fisheries Research slipped even lower in our esteem. In around 2004, I contracted to do the pre-season Breeding Stock Assesment to Fisheries. This was an annual thing , where they supplied the pots and bait, and had you drop those pots (200) in exactly the same place at the same time each year, and the results recorded. We'd always considered this a fairly worthless exercise up here, for various reasons I won't go into. The pots were to be dropped out 10 miles offshore in big lines, and a bit closer further north, and left for a 2 day pull each time. Now, when they were reset, they were only moved about a half mile each time. The researcher out with me asked would we see any sharks. Being that far offshore, with zero fishing activity for about 4 months, you'd think that, if the sharks were thin, you wouldn't see many. I thought we'd accumulate a few over the stetch, as none of the bait in the pots would be eaten, and we weren't moving far. Well, by the third pull, we were up to our arse in them. Twenty at least, or 30, following you all day. We videoed it, by sticking his waterproof VHS-C camera on a pole, and nearly had it bitten off
. I really regret losing my copy of that footage, the swirling mass of sharks and cobia was something to see. He was rather surprised, to say the least, and said he'd relay it back. But of course, proably as it didn't fit their earlier scientific conclusions, it was rejected.
I just believe they were looking in the wrong places, perhaps basing their assessments on shark boat returns, and the sharks' behaviour patterns had changed in response to an easy feed being available, hence, less were being gillnetted on the bottom offshore? They are protected, breeding like rabbits, and have lost much of their natural caution. Boats should mean fear of death to them, not an easy feed.
Walfootrot
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100% agree!
100% agree!
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
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Mate I like reading posts
Mate I like reading posts you share, a bit of history and first hand experience.
always an interesting read.
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Lived in Bunno for 50yrs ,
Lived in Bunno for 50yrs , surfed , swam, dived for most off them never saw a shark. Last 4 yrs seen at least 2 every summer not from boat but whilst walking the dog along the beach.Gave up surfing 10 yrs ago after mr whitey chased me in from lefties. More sharks fuck yeah.
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timboon
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Thanks Ranmar for taking the
Thanks Ranmar for taking the time to explain to us on here about your detailed experiences....
Its accounts like that from folk that have been at the coal face that really puts things in perspective - a non bias opinion based on fact....
Scano i disagree...
Dreamtime you big old toughie, my two boys will be at the beach swimming/diving/surfing when they reach the age they are able to and hopefully by then the numbers have decreased again to numbers that are sustainable but not threatening....
Merman..... sigh - I wish i was half the waterman you are.....
Cull the fucking things asap and bring balance back in the ocean.....
Jim
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Just to add a random story to
Just to add a random story to the post, I remember a few years ago(10 or so) on the hobite forum someone caught a big tiger shark in cockburn sound and people didnt believe him. Things have changed a bit since then!
Id support a white cull but Id prefer a cull of willy wagtails, crows and seagulls in rockingham first!
Bend over
Jackfrost80
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I'll just leave this
I'll just leave this here:
thewest.com.au/news/sharks/wa-confirmed-as-australias-great-white-hot-spot-ng-b88698091z
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
hezzy
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jack , thats what happens
jack , thats what happens when you get modern day scientists armed with good i phones and video gear out there in the field lol .... they can produce such updated facts in their reports
plus we have more marine scientists as well nowdays so that makes a big difference in shark numbers too !!!
hezzy
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