Tony Burke - at it again
front page of todays paper, saying that WA's $200 mil crayfishing industry could be shutdown, due to a higher rate of whales getting tangled in the ropes/floats. Far ken useless carnt Tony Burke, even though he is no longer the environment minister, still sticking his dirty little corrupted nose into marine sector, basically informing fisheries minister Captain Troy Buswell, that if the (whale) problem isn't fixed by 2015, he'll remove the right to export crays, just like he did with the cattle exports, crippling another great Australian iconic industry.
fuck all your safety shit destroying Australian industries ladies and gentlemen, another Labor term in leadership will be the final blow for this country.
anyone heard of secession? lets put up the fence...
Stevo81
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Wouldn't the reason there is
Wouldn't the reason there is a higher amount tangled be because the pros are fishing a quota system now and the season runs all year round resulting in potentially more days out fishing?
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Rob H
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whales arent here all year
whales arent here all year round.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Stevo81
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Yeah but before quota season
Yeah but before quota season was closed june 30- nov 1. Whales migration off WA starts around may
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snappermiles
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someone should wrap that knob
in a cray rope! im sick of his crap, i dont think he realises what he is doing to this country? what will we all do when there no industries left for us to work in??
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+1 and with an engine block
+1 and with an engine block on the end!!
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uncle
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the whales will rule the world soon
can't believe all this crap, one would think thay are the only animal,mammal in the world,getting caught in shark nets,hello other species have been getting caught and killed forever, theres too many of them
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
big john
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Tony Burke
Tony Burke is a dead set green stooge, a product of this frankenstein government. Looking forward to the election if Kev can fit us in between zipping around the world.
(we really need a wanking emoticon Adam)
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saltatrix
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Tony Burke was heavily
Tony Burke was heavily involved in environmental groups prior to his appointment in the Labor party.
Garrett has been causing a lot of the trouble too but Peter GARRETT (MIDNIGHT OIL) was sacked..
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MattMiller
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Bloody hell
he's an assbandit of thre highest quality
Travisd
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Easy problem to fix
We need a gov change asap. Simple problem to fix. Joining two pots per float halves the number of ropes
These kinds of statements would be devastating to trading relations. This kind of press is so irresponsible
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sea-kem
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Yeah agree mate . The bloke
Yeah agree mate . The bloke is a moron whos doesn't seem to get the idea that he's put in to serve the people not the farken whales. I'm all for the preservation of them but to make idiotic comments that can ruin livelihoods and a very sustainable industry is sheer lunacy. That's all right Burke all these customers will just look elsewhere and we go broke. Australia is a laughing stock again.His spin doctors must want to get rid of him.
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southcity104
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ah yep suggestions are good
but its not that simple. Big bank fishing is no more and joining pots together is an inefficient set up.
Sadly society now if governed by ministers that value there jobs more highly than Australia itself. And Media use misinformed, unexperienced people / numbers power to sway decisions. Crazy days
"Its a life style job"
Michael Yoni
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All good comments, but what
All good comments, but what has Boswell. Done about the problem?
What should we do as rec fishermen do to reduce the incidences. We are quick to bag a person but we don't offer suggestions do we. So come along you "slaggers" offer suggestions as to how to reduce the likelihood of entanglement.
Turboz...good suggestion, but would that not then increase the load put upon the whale especially of the pots get stuck under a ledge and running the risk of drowning or stressing the whale more?
What about shorter ropes? Or have an ares where the number of pots per sq km is reduced?
sea-kem
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The bloke is in in public
The bloke is in in public office Yoni. We are in our rights to "slag" the imbecile as you put it,that's our prerogative. The suggestions have to come form the pro's themselves, they are in the game not us. You think they're going to listen to a pleb like you?
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snappermiles
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ahahahahaha
gold seakem!!
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Michael Yoni
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So's Buswell what has he
So's Buswell what has he done about it (besides probably sniffing all the chairs).
So the suggestions have come from the pro's .... so why not slag them as well?
scotto
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You grade A douchebag yoni,
He hasn't done a thing about it yet yoni, you farkin drop kick. He only found out 3 days ago.
stop being part of the problem.
There is a plethora of solutions to this, however the point is, does it really need such severe consequences, such as completely shutting off export.
Its simply just another advert overreaction by an incompetent minister that values his position more than what it stands for.
Michael Yoni
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"He hasn't done a thing
"He hasn't done a thing about it" ................. EXACTLY ..... and he wont either. Because he is just as incompetent as Burke.
Have not read any possibly solution from your neurone yet. or are you a sheep.
Michael Yoni
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http://www.environment.gov.a
http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/fisheries/wa/rocklob/pubs/rock-lob-letter-2013.pdf
big john
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Signs
I think we need to put some of those 'whale crossing' signs out there so they know where to swim safely.
Sounds like there numbers are building ....
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squidder
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Worked
on a cray boat for a bit and I can tell you lenthening then shortening ropes when changing depths is a fkt job and I bet my bottom dollar it's the loose, buoyant and multiple floats attached causing all the grief.
As for tony burke[lower case for lowlife], he has poisened so many ill informed people out in the community with his bullshit it's amazing he hasn't met Davy Jones......
Fish guts
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easy fix have a whale
easy fix have a whale deterrent beacon fitted to the cray pots to let whales know that there is a cray pot in the area. the beacon will send out a high frequency noise to inform the whales that there is a cray pot area the whales that hear it will think farkenell there is a cray pot over there we better stay away. or.... find nemo, ask him where dori is and ask dori to teach all the other little fishies to speak whale and they can all tell all the whales that there is cray pots in the water and to stay away.
All men are equal before fish....
Stevo81
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Haha. Classic mate!
Haha. Classic mate!
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southcity104
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That has been suggested fish guts
in some meetings but its probably very costly. Just like the prices of everything sky rocketing at the moment its just one more thing the industry cant afford. If tested it could be a solution.
"Its a life style job"
roberta
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Maybe the cray boys
when they are out wide, come in and don't shorten their ropes, which by law they are supposed to.
Maybe Busiewell is giving them a hint to do what they should be doing properly in the firtst place or you could suffer the short end of the rope. Then the whales won't get tangled in very long ropes with floats when they bring their pots in close. I know a lot of crayboys hate shortening their ropes when they come in close BUT boys its the law, thats why so many whales are being caught. Also sick of dodging long ropes from pros and amatuers when coming in to Leeman.
I don't condone the twat but if people did their job properly then we wouldn't be having this discussion on FW JMHO.
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Septimus
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HERE, HERE....
I agree completely with your comments Roberta - for what it's worth...lol!!
TheJettyRat
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I am sure Tony Burke hates
I am sure Tony Burke hates fishing.
Fish guts
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im sure tony burke hates
im sure tony burke hates himself
All men are equal before fish....
petermac
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tony burke
he dosent know his arse from his elbow knows jack as did dear old norman moore (ex state fisherys minister) ( and also my ex headmaster that gave me the cuts in the early 70s)
squidder
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Must say
you are on the money with regards to that lot. It's a pity a stork delivered him and not a swallow..
To add to my woes, I have a niece that is off the planet with anything that relates to hunting and gathering. It's a wonder I have a tongue the amount of times I've had to bite it............................sheez a fkn clown, want's to ban any and everything and reckons tony's just the bees knees.
Redfinman
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Fishguts is onto it and that
Fishguts is onto it and that dick head Burke needs to check his arse as I am sure that soon he will kiss it good bye.
petermac
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just had a great idear
lets declare open season on tony the tosser burke and flood his office with emails and phone calls
MattMiller
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This
has already been happening.
Not to mention the continuous onslaught of disapproval he cops on social media, all derserved IMO.
timboon
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Brash statements wont do
Brash statements wont do anyone any good but neither will bad publicity for an industry such as a whale getting its tail entangled...
You can`t have a high pitch deterrent for the whales that's the exact dumb sort of idea that creates more hysteria...
Its a migration path, next you will have a beach stranding and whales dying... Remove the problem!!
Roberta hit the nail on the head, bring the gear inside and do what's is the law, shorten the ropes...
Shit of a job or not, the poor old cray boys might need an extra hour at sea when they load em on to come inside...
Suck it up, you get paid well for harvesting the ocean...
squidder
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Must say
there will always be some loose ropes on the surface from craypots as one must have a bit of slack to allow for current, as for sucking it up, try that line on the , wharfe, I'm sure there will be some that would love a demo...
timboon
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Nah disagree Squidlips, there
Nah disagree Squidlips, there is not always "slack" rope on the surface... When the tide slackens off sure there is more potential but again read the tide and use suitable lengths and/or change up your float configuration...
Sorry to insult you squidder with the "suck it up line" you sound fragile...
A little hard work ( that is if untying-coiling/uncoiling-retying is hard work ) never killed anyone...
This might be a nuisance but this is the world we live in, you want a chopper news crew videoing chasing a whale with your floats entangled and the repercussions that come with it?? Sheik the issue and take the easy road mate... You big bad tough warfie cray fisherman dude... :)
squidder
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Tim boon docks
, first up, clown, if you take time to read the posts, all of them......you may be a little more informed. As for fragile, well that could be in another twenty yrs or so.
All I said was there will be slack in the ropes whether you like it or not. With regards to explaining that to the deckies[the suck it up bit] thats entirely up to you, it was only a sugestion.
The Whales , those big endangered thingsm which it seems you love so much I'm sure all the White Pointers will eat them then the ropes can be as long as they like.
You see my young man, this is what you call evolution.
Oh and sorry for calling you a clown, that was uncalled for.
petermac
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for fxxxxx sak
if he was really worried about whales he should get some aussie war ships down to the arctic waters and stop the Japanese shooting them in OUR waters but oh no where are all our ships are rescuing picks coming here for all the wrong reasons of our north west coast I cant get my brother in law here even though he speaks perfect English and was assessed as having the equivalent qualification of a chief engineer ocean going qualification ( he is Thai but did all his training with the us navy and lived in the us for 5 years whilst having a career in the thai navy for 22 years)
timboon
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Gday Pete... Thats another
Gday Pete... Thats another can o worms you opening there mate,
Apparently the last refugee boat that went down had 5 whales and squidders pot wrapped around the prop....
Its ok though squidder it was another blank so no dollars lost....
Pete when your bro inlaw sent his application in did he use any full stops?
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behave
Please keep it civil or it will go. Cheers.
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It will go even if it is
It will go even if it is civil
timboon
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if you take time to read the
if you take time to read the posts, all of them......you may be a little more informed.
I read all the posts, as a former cray fisherman myself I think I have enough experience to comment.
As for fragile, well that could be in another twenty yrs or so.
Mentally Squidder not physically...
The Whales , those big endangered thingsm which it seems you love so much I'm sure all the White Pointers will eat them then the ropes can be as long as they like.
You see my young man, this is what you call evolution.
Oh Squidlips turns David Attenborough now....
Oh and sorry for calling you a clown, that was uncalled for.
Apology accepted,
You seem to engage your well bitten tongue before the brain, its not your fault...
To add to my woes, I have a niece that is off the planet with anything that relates to hunting and gathering. It's a wonder I have a tongue the amount of times I've had to bite it............................sheez a fkn clown
Loving Uncle you...
Clown
squidder
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There's nothing
wrong with a bit of jest, in my books anyway. CLOWN I can handle, BUT David Attenborough I'm not. You see timboon, I happen to hold a pro shooters lic so I'm sure that would distance me somewhat from old Davo.
Back to the whales, I firmly believe,"IN TIME" the big fellas will be a nuisance especially for the unwary boaties when they embark on their annual pilgramage south, especially as their No's increase as will the boaties.
It's great to save all the creatures on the planet, Whales included, but there has to be a balance. Some people freak out when the media spray an entangled whale all over the screen at T time.
Just how many become entangled each year in cray pots taking into account the ever increasing No of these magnificent beasts..
How much bi-catch and drop out occurs in Demersal Gill Nets.........
And by NO means am I trying to stir the pot.
Shark1
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why dont we just export the
why dont we just export the entangled whales to japan
with the $$ the japs save to not have to go down south for research purposes they can then buy more rock lobster
win win situation
timboon
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I agree with the balance
I agree with the balance Squid...
Dolphin safe Tuna?? Hmmm where can I buy Tuna safe Dolphin...
The gill netters are holding on by a thread mate, I say stir that pot!!
meglodon
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Am I missing something
Having read the letter Burk(yes I know how his name is spelt) sent to Buswell a couple of times I can not find any reference to prohibiting the export of rock lobster.
Western Rock Lobster Council chairman Basil Lenzo quote in the west Australian seems to be more con the money "Canberra's warning was less severe than Mr Buswell suggested". Could it be that Buswell is telling porkies and playing politics, look at what the federal government is saying it will do to you if you don't watchout.
Nah he wouldn't do that, would he, he might rip the tax payer of a few times for allowances and not get punished for it.
That's fair game.
If I've missed the part about threatening to stop the exporting of rock lobsters please feel free to point the relevant part of the letter out to me.
Also where did the figure of approximately 20 whales being caught in pot ropes come from. I for one would like to see DoF give dates and locations to verify these figures.
kmo
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Read the letter Yoni posted
I'm not a fan of any of the political parties, but Buswell has whipped up a storm in a tea cup in this case. Burke was just doing his job and suggesting the dept of fisheries and the industry review best practice to avoid any more problems.
Versus
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I've been away for a couple
I've been away for a couple weeks but saw that article in The West when I got back the other day... I can't believe we're 40+ posts in before seeing these 2 from Meglodon and kmo. Did anyone actually read the article OR letter from Burke to Buswell before spewing forth a bunch of knee-jerk crap?
I don't care much for Burke or most politicians in general, self-serving bunch of twats in most cases.
But the facts are: Burke APPROVED the rock lobster fishery for the next 2 years.
BUSWELL went to the media, and created this shitstorm in a teacup.
Burke DID highlight the apparent recent increase in whale entanglements and has included a set of recommendations/guidelines regarding further study and evaluation of entanglements etc, and what the industry needs to do about it.
In the conditions set out by Burke, he even suggests that they might look into the REMOVAL of some restrictions, such as those regarding size limits and pre-breeding females (I think this is meant as a compensation mechanism if there were to be spatial or temporal closures to fisherman [to avoid whale migration/entanglement]}
So as far as I can tell, everyone who claimed Burke is spreading bad publicity etc etc is faaaaaaarkin wrong. Buswell is. He's playing good-cop bad-cop and you fell for it.
But, I also think he's trying to give all interested parties a kick up the bum so they can actually put heads together and sort something out, "before its too late"
Michael Yoni
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They're a flock of sheep,
They're a flock of sheep, following each other without doing any research.
and none of them are actually going to admit they are wrong. Just a knee jerk reaction to a political party hatred rather than to the actual facts. Hence why I slagged Buswell....he should be taken to task for his comments IMO.
meglodon
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You are right on the money
You are right on the money Versus, Buswell has lit a fire and the smoke is panicking all and sundry. In todays West Australian we have further comment from fisheries about "maybe we will have to have a period of closed season". Whilst the peak whale migration is on. I think the comments by Michael Yoni are very informative, and based on experience he has had in the rock lobster industry. Shorten cray pot ropes when pots are moved into markedly shallower waters. I think a lot of us who have travelled out to deep waters have come across cray pot ropes that exceed 20+ metres of rope floating on the surface. Before fisheries start beating Buswell's drum they may like to do a bit of compliance work on just what is actual going on with cray pots being set by all persons who are using pots to catch their crays. In the season when amateurs are allowed to set pots some of us aren't to bad at having massive amounts of rope floating on the surface as well. Even though most amateur pots are set in relatively shallow waters these pots should have short ropes fitted as they could possibly be of a hazard to whales who stray off the common path whilst travelling north or south.
Michael Yoni
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No experience in cray fishing
No experience in cray fishing industry. Two relatives are pro cray fishermen and good friend is in the live export industry. I first checked the government web site to get the facts wrt the letter. Should have posted it earlier but loved reading the tripe when it first appeared here.
sea-kem
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You're a legend
You're a legend
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squidder
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Would be great
if the FD could come forward as to the area where most of the entanglements are taking place, then the apropriate action could be taken against the cray fisherman at fault.
Again I say, there will always be some instances where ropes will be a bit longer than the depth they are in especially amidst the reef areas when jet boats are used so the skippers don't have to park on the reef to hook the pots.
timboon
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Who`s bright idea was it to
Who`s bright idea was it to open up the season all year anyway...
The only protected species is the Pro...
WA was the last state to introduce a quota system and it seems because of this the FD had to compensate and try their best to assist with the profit margin...
Any primary producing industry fluctuates & has its ups n downs, take the good with the bad...
Enforce a quota system, have a season so the spawnies don`t get disturbed as much & I`m sure things will be dandy for another 50 years...
squidder
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Dead bloody right
on the spawners. Fact is, the crayfishers are laughing all the way to the bank, some anyway, as some are doing FIFO and when off pots in pots out. Not bad.
Good olde FD management. Again.
saltatrix
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A of a bit
A of a bit laugh
youtu.be/tAHiUfbd0Jc
PROFESSOR Colin Buxton, director of the Tasmanian Aquaculture and Fisheries Institute, highlights the flaws involved in the process of marine parks and no take zones.
http://www.fishingworld.com.au/news/video-professor-colin-buxton-on-marine-parks
Angling tourism is worth $10 billion to the Australian economy - 90000 jobs; more than any sport; spread the word
meglodon
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you make a valid point squidder
The first news paper report quoted a figure of about 20 incidents since may of whales becoming caught up in cray ropes.
Now when ever this type of thing happens the TV stations make a big thing of those agencies(DEC or DoF) taking action to release the whale. Are the news people no longer interested in this type of thing because I'm sure that I haven't seen on the news (and I watch most news reports) that many stories on whales being caught in cray ropes. Could you just imagine the public outcry at seeing such a large number of whales being shown on the news caught in cray pot ropes.
DEC or Dof should put forward factual reports showing just where and when such incidents took place, if such events are taking place in a short period of time as stated then maybe,just maybe a short ban may be required in a certain area if all the events are happening in one area. Until all the facts are put on the table (open clear and dare I say honest action) can not be contemplated and then the industry may well come up with a solution to solve the problem without government intervention. The requirement to shorten cray pot ropes has been covered by other posts, this requirement might be required to be checked by DoF for compliance with the regulations cover such