Yamaha australia suck
Submitted by crano on Sun, 2017-04-02 15:52
A few years ago my brother in law managed to find a rock with our 150 hp yammie 4 stroke and bent the prop shaft. It took 3 weeks to get a spare from yamaha australia at a cost that was double the cost of getting one from the states.
We are now needing parts to rebuild the gearbox and have to wait at least 2 weeks for them to get the parts from Japan. These are parts that are very commonly needed as the problem we have got is quite a common issue with these gearboxes according to the boatshop that is fixing it.
Hope they get the bits before I go to coral bay.
Taffy
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Yamaha Australia Prices
Yamaha Australia Prices suck,
check out SIM Yamaha USA, Excellent Service and Prices
quadfisher
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Yeah it does suck.
But thank god we do have some choices nowadays.
My best one was a power window assembly ( don't sell separate bits) for a 2002 jeep grand chero.
Perth price 490, found a US mob , 140 bucks with 30 or 40 bucks postage ( it was a few years back) , still under 200.
Try buying can-am parts mate , they have done a global deal were dealers will only sell bits within there country, so you cant overseas stuff easy, however you can buy pass it buy setting up a postage address in the US thru a company, a post forwarder I think its called.
quadfisher
nackers
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Hey crano
what is the "common" problem with the gear box ?
just interested as I have yammy 150 4s also
Billcollector
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Common problem is you hit
Common problem is you hit something and bend the propshaft. Can happen on any brand.
If your insured it will be covered under accidental damage and cost you the excess. get a whole new bottom end if you can not just change the shaft and gears. I buggered mine up last year on a 250hp and it took 12 weeks to get sorted as none in stock in AUS. The assessor wouldn't allow a rebuilt. Cost was about 12grand in the end including a new prop.
Iceman
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Same issue with parts
One of our sea rescue vessels has Twin 350hp Yamaha engines and we have no end of problems getting parts. We bent a shaft and there were none in the world so we had to get reconditioned. Other parts have takens weeks to come in. Most times there are none in WA and have to come form eastern states by road which can taken up to a couple of weeks. Unfortunately there are no other engines big enough to power the vessel withoutr loosing speeed. We have heard that Suzuki are coming out with 350hp but not sure when, but when they do will be changing. The other issue has been yamaha blaming problems on the operator when we know of other groups having the same problems.
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z00m
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Verado
no interest in the merc 400r's?
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Iceman
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Advised not to use them
After speaking to the Mercury rep and advising what we do we were advised by them not the use the verado. They are only a 2.6ltr motor with supercharger. We would end up blowing the superchrger when towing a vessel.
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bsir
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Seven
check out seven marine.
627 HP, but cost about $130k. 6.7l I think they were.
dodgy
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Who is the Perth or even
Who is the Perth or even Australian agent?
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
sunshine
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Hit a turtle last year with my 225 yammy
All covered by insurance except excess, new bottom end complete but they repaired the prop but it is perfect. No delay at all, assessed in two days of the impact and repaired in 10 days .....perhaps I got lucky
grantarctic1
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Yep
Yep , have not had one good dealing with any Yamaha dealers.
Wanted replacement lense covers for gauges, nope, have to buy a new set $1000 bucks please. Umm No thanks.
Needed a new plastic remote oil tank, nope have to buy the whole kit, I'll do you a great deal, $1000 bucks please. It was at this point after many issues like this, I not so politely walked out telling them I will make my own tank for $50 . and did. fishwrecked.com/forum/fuel-and-remote-oil-tanks-pic-heavy
Prices here were between 100% to 500% more than the states, and none in stock, and shit house service by cock heads who barely could be bothered serving me .
Sorry for the rant, but you just bought back memories of trying to deal with them, i just buy online now if I can .
Cheers Grant ..
sea-kem
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You've just nailed part of
You've just nailed part of the problem here Grant, local service is shit, local pricing is shit it's no wonder everyone is switching to buying goods online. Ther are of course the exceptions but they are few and far between.
Love the West!
hayden
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Crano you should have rang
Crano
you should have rang me mate could off helped ya but it's ok if it ain't ready more reds for me it's ok I'll take ya out mate try find trevally for ya haha
crano
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nackers
The problem is the gears chewing out and it gets to the stage they struggle to go in and out of gear. In our case it occasionally won't go into reverse, it just crunches and does not go in. [Please do not tell me about putting it in to gear quickly.I know.] The mechanic said he sees plenty of these early 150s doing this.
Hayden Not sure I want to catch reds any more as it is just too easy.
dodgy
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Different clutch set up in
Different clutch set up in the later 150 gearboxes. Later ones were a bit better apparently.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
dowders
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What year motor did this
What year motor did this affect, i have a 2005 150HP Yamaha and sometimes can be a bit grindy putting it into gear but havent ever had an issue with it
carnarvonite
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Yamaha
Had both 300 Yammies die on the Carnarvon sea rescue vessel, around 320 hours with on them, Yahama Aust refused to come to the party initially and only did so after intervention from DFES and Kirby Marine then only covered parts to rebuild both engines. WA Yamaha even told us not to contact Yamaha over east as it wasn't their problem.
One of the faults was flywheels causing vibration and snapping crankshafts, now they come up with a warning that flywheels have to be changed every 100 hours, lovely when you consider how much it costs for one of these engines.
jighead
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?
What can change/wear out on a flywheel?
dodgy
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They are bonded rubber
They are bonded rubber
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Rob H
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Isnt this the 350?
Arent they changed under warranty, depending how many hours in the 3500-4000rpm range?
The flywheel doubles as a harmonic balancer, as an outboard engine drives from the opposite end to a auto engine.
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I was thinking the same Rob.
I was thinking the same Rob. Thought the F300 had a pretty good rep
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carnarvonite
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Manifolds
The exhaust manifolds had a fault, they would corrode and when the engine was off the water would drain down through the exhaust valve in to the cylinders, past the rings then into the sump. As the then water in the oil would circulate, valve stems got rusty and would jam, goodbye piston and head.
$1800 for each replacement manifold on something they knew about but refused to achknowedge
carnarvonite
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Manifolds
The exhaust manifolds had a fault, they would corrode and when the engine was off the water would drain down through the exhaust valve in to the cylinders, past the rings then into the sump. As the then water in the oil would circulate, valve stems got rusty and would jam, goodbye piston and head.
$1800 for each replacement manifold on something they knew about but refused to achknowedge
dodgy
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Carnarvon naiad had the v8
Carnarvon naiad had the v8 300's.
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Rob H
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Very early 300's were
Very early 300's were derated V8 before swapping to the 4.2L V6
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VaSSagO
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Is Suzuki or Honda any better
Is Suzuki or Honda any better though?
Darren253
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I had a rough experience
I had a rough experience with Honda. Half the parts needed ex Japan and 5-6 weeks away.
Hell expensive also. $178 for a paper gasket was a ripper that I've never been able to look past yet. It was only 5mm wide and about 400mm in diameter.
My motor was in pieces with the dealer who wan't prepared to do anything other than specified in the book with oem parts so my hands were tied! Lesson learnt the expensive way!
sea-kem
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Well I've had my Suzuki for
Well I've had my Suzuki for nearly 10 years ( 4stroke 90) and it's never missed a beat.
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Jackfrost80
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Got the same motor but the
Got the same motor but the 2011 DF90 and love it after I got through the issues of the previous owner knicking the trim power cable and bodging it back together with heat shrink.
Got a genuine part new motor fitted through Brett Ward for $795 with it coming in 3 days from over east. My local Suzuki dealership NoR wanted to charge me $1350 for the same job.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
crano
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dowders
It is a 2004 model
crano
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Still no parts
4 weeks and no parts yet. They don't even know where they are.
crano
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Too late
The bits were supposed to arrive thursday or friday but never turned up so we have had to pay to get the leg rebuilt with the old parts as it is coral bay time.
If you are at the coral bay boat ramp and see a Signature having manouvering dramas it will be us struggling to get reverse gear. Many thanks to the knob swallowers who run yamaha australia.
A bit of history. The origonal yamaha marine dealers were the dowson family who had bunbury yamaha that later became mike dowson yamaha. After changes to yamaha marine australia mike took on the suzuki outboard agency as well and pushed the suzuki motors rather than the yammies due to problems with yamaha and the fact that the suzuki australia were good to deal with [think it was haines family at the time].
That business was sold later ind blended in with millard marine. Guess what, millards gave yamaha the flick and went to suzuki. Yamaha australia actually advertised in the local paper for someone to take on the yammie dealership. Some time later someone did.
I think the yamaha product is terrific and I have had them since 1993 But I would like someone to explain to me why we should pay extortionate prices for parts that we could get out of the states in a week when they cannot supply the parts in a reasonable time here.
sarcasm0
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From a mate who works in the industry
There is or has been a massive problem with the yamaha parts ordering system in Aus causing headaches for dealers and customers. If it has been resolved the it is the backlog of orders flooding the system slowing things up.
Not an excuse, just what I heard. I can imagine it would be frustrating.
Bryan
aggotts
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We are still waiting
We had engine problems nearly 4 weeks ago with our 150 yammie 4 stroke.Motor lost power and started running really rough then went into limp mode apparently.Took 5 hrs to get home from 25nm out.Turns out we need two new fuel pumps and a couple of new injectors.Been waiting 4 weeks for the parts and they still cant tell us when they will be here it is also with millard marine but cant blame them as they are getting the run around by yamaha.Its been a great motor this is the first problem and its done over 1000 hours.
Stevo81
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Can have parts here cheaper
Can have parts here from boats.net in the US in 3-4 days and almost always cheaper. SIM Yamaha good too as mentioned above
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Rob H
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The expensive part of buying
The expensive part of buying from Boats.net is the flat freight rate on value.
Same freight for $99 of bolts as something 5 times the weight.
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Red Dog
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Looks like I'll be needing a
Looks like I'll be needing a replacement trim tilt motor for an 07 Yamaha F115A - anyone been down that path before?
just dhu it
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Second hand
yep we went down that path on our small rescue boat twin. 115 s. Missed out on a second hand unit as the motor have high hours and wanted a cheap fix even the second hand did come with warranty , so ended up ordering new from east coat certainly not cheap for a little hydraulic motor and pump. But then it. Is a boat
Red Dog
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Thanks for the reply jdi,
Thanks for the reply jdi, I've tracked down a supplier in the US - I'll update how I go with that.
Hadn't considered second hand - will try that as well.
I appreciate it is a boat (bring out another thousand) but for the dollars they want for a trim tilt motor I could buy a speccy new kayak.
Red Dog
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Update on the trim tilt
Update on the trim tilt motor - new price for genuine part $1090, found a secondhand one for $220 then got two prices on an aftermarket for $489 at one dealer and $380 at another plus $25 for overnight freight.
Went for the the $380 deal for aftermarket (full warranty) - good service so far from the local Rockingham guys and gal.
Turned out to be reasonably painless to remove the old one after working out a way to lift nearly 200kgs of motor without trim amd tilt operating - floor jack at first and then finished carefully with the high lift jack.
Just to echo Lastchance's comment, this is the first issue I've had with this motor in five years of faithfull service (it's an 07, I'm second owner) starts first time every time and purrs like a kitten at idle. Been a great motor and always feel confident that she'll get us home.
just dhu it
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Good price
red dog you did well. We have a similar price $ 400 but not stock available so as you mentione dwe had to pay the $ 1400 for new in box unit , they are easy to install. Good to hear your ready for the water again
Lastchance
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Interesting
Ive got an '08 250hp 4S Yammy with 1700 hours and haven't had a single drama with it. No problems getting parts either, but the only parts Ive needed have been service related I guess, not through damage or failure. You rarely here a bad word about Yamaha or Suzuki, although its product related usually, not service related and we do live in Australia!
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Stevo81
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You have one of the best
You have one of the best outboards Yamaha has made
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scottnofish
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I have twin 115 yammys
1000 hrs and have done both throttle sensors both chrge regs a coil pack 2 oil pumps 2 throttle bodys .seem to have a problem about every 2nd or 3rd time i take the bloody thing out .have bought all my parts from the us bar the coil pack as i needed that asap and got it 2ndhand from chivers marine
Rob H
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Thats unusual, I know the
Thats unusual, I know the TPS's are a common problem as mine playd up also but just needed adjusting
Who is doing the work on them?
Is that all on the same engine or same parts on each?
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Almost forgot the startermotor brushes worn out on both
Starters had to file out the br ush holders at sea to get them both going .i know the TPS are common problems mine where stalling at low revs and hunting at 4500 rpm.the charge regs shorted and drained my batteries while at steep piont .the oil pumps both done the seals and were sucking water into the oil .the coil pack was only playing up when the motor was hot would stop firing no 3 cyl .touch wood they are both running pretty good at the moment .both are due for timing belts this service .both throttle bodys siezed from sucking to much salt spray then sat for a couple of months in the same postion the brass butterfly vavlve with the stainless shaft corroded to the aluminum throttle body
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My 30 had its 20hr service today, 2 spark plugs and some oil n stuff. All was good.
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I've had my 150 4 stroke
I've had my 150 4 stroke since 2005 brand new. Only problems have been a spark plug lead that cost over $100 and took 5 week's to arrive and salt build up behind the earth connection that caused the motor to cut out when trimming both easy fixes. Other than that i highly rate Yammies very reliable motors.
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crano
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2 months
2 months now and no parts yet.
About 2 weeks ago in coral bay my mate hit some reef and bent the prop shaft on his suzuki and could have had a new one delivered to exmouth in 2 or 3 days.
Something to keep in mind when buying a new motor.
Luke
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Suzuki parts are about half
Suzuki parts are about half the cost too.
crano
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fixed
After 3 months waiting for parts it is finally fixed.
Many thanks to the dickheads at yamaha australia.