Then another young lad piped up "Well, actually the rate of technological increase is happening more rapidly now, so the current generations are actually coming up with more technological improvements than older ones".

(Besides, I dont know how many 20-somethings invented tv's, planes, rockets, computers, mobile phones, etc anyways. Give them more time :p)

Younger ones are a bit better at looking after the fish stocks though. What I saw a group of Grey Nomads doing this weekend was disgusting.

ahahaha very nice tony, very nice

that is a classic Tony. one other thing our generation knows how to do is type real words , not the text type of words

today many of the young engineers and boffins can't do squat unless a computer model tell them it's ok.

This was admitted by Marsha Erwin’s, five times NASA shuttle astronaut, when asked why it is taking us so long to get back to the moon.
In fact she also went on to say the present computer models and simulations say that a Saturn rocket would not get there and back reliably!... yeah right tell that to the 12 missions that went there....

Todays youth needs to learn how to develop, think and do things without 30gigabyes of crap strapped to their desk. Tell me about it, as this week alone we have had some real blowers that where computer errors and carried out by the young blind.
To think is to be human, to F-up completely you need you computer!

go to a school today and take away their spell checkers and calculators, then give them a final year school paper from 25 years ago and see what happens...

Those that complain about the current generation should blame the generation that raised them.

think people in all government systems (schools mainly) as well have got lazy.  I listen to kids doing wheelies in their cares while trying to go to sleep, all these kids have automatic gear boxes, so easy to do a wheelie.  In my day you had to know how to slip the clutch in a 3 speed manual box, learn how to hold the clutch just right to do the best wheelie hahahahah yes I was a rev head when I was 17yrs old loved my V8 but we used to find a old country rd and do wheelies and the standard quarter mile drag, with people at either end looking out for traffic,  think each generation is good.  I certainly wouldn't have liked to have been born to be old enough to go to war or see my sons go off to the 1st or 2nd war let alone Korea or Vietnam.  Each generation has its pit falls, no use blaming a past generation, as all generations have had failures.

so you didn't use the spell checker in the title of this thread tony??

what is the point of this thread ???

Oldies like to piss and moan? Haha

Doing roll back burn outs with a non synchro 1st gear. Wind it up in reverse, clutch in, from reverse to second then back to first, revs up and dump clutch left foot from clutch pedal to brake pedal to feather the brakes and away you go.When going for licence copper asked it it was me who drove hot rods said yes and he said I'll get my licence no worries. Drove him 100 yards down to chemists and he told me to double park as no empty bays, he went in to chemists to collect prescription, did a Uey then back to cop shop where he wrote out licence.No question, no P plates or any other restrictions.
No driving instructors then, learn to drive down bush tracks while collecting firewood and progressed to Blicks raceway just over Collie river bridge in Eaton racing old bombs--36 ford, 48 Desoto, Fj holdens and early Vauxhalls.

Modern methods vs old school, was shark fishing down south and had set nets some 20nm north of Dunsborough. Next morning when leaving mooring Gps would work, son[Decky] asked how will we find gear? No worries, leave it to me and go and have a sleep. Hour later gave him a call to start looking for flag on end of line, we were with in 400metres of it. He asked how did I do it, easy remembered yesterdays course in plus time it took to get it. Reversed compass course, same speed and time. When I first started we did it the same way with only an old alarm clock and a rev counter on the engine to judge speed by and wrote it all down in log book along with rough sketch of landmarks if visible.

mabye we should start a thread, titled...

"who thinks oldies smell like moth balls and urine"

                             or...

"what irritates you the most about old peoples driving"

                             or...

"should retirement age be changed to termination age"

see how that goes down

ahahaha good one ruste, back in there day hey

ruste13, they don't smell like piss and drugs, lets talk about driving, how many have their cars taken off them or kill people street racing, if you are lucky you might live to retire, who can we thank for graffiti!!!!!

looks like this will be another thread that is going to go nowhere and end in tears???

oooh I do love to cause a good fight...lol
now howmany kids can drop the box on a Ford Cortina or Escort on a Friday night after work, rebuild it with three gears as second was trashed and still get to the drive in before 9pm on Friday night...
now they need to book it in, get a quote and hire a taxi...lol

never mind making up tempt dog-shaft in the garrage from some old steel tube and getting the car running to make sure your mate does not steal your date on Saturday night.

my first motor cycle was a 50cc Honda SS50 4 stroke, and it came in a box in a thousand pieces, Dad said, you want it, you build it... three weeks later it fired and off we went.

mine was blue and went every where... loved that old rattle-bucket.

Oh sorry Tony i thought you started this thread to have a go at the younger generation

i didnt realise it was just to brag about how good you are at rebuilding crappy bikes and cars

well i just hope we dont all get tarred with the same brush tony..

Im 31 years old..i dont know whats considered young, but im definatly young at heart, probably just like you.

ive had bikes all my life too, and spent many weekend and evenings in the back shed with my dad working on one of his many vintage bikes.

My dads gone but i still have one of his bikes, its a BSA wm20. I have since restored a couple myself.

I too was given my first bike in peices it was a honda z 50, colapsable handle bars and all, and although i didnt do the work myself i did look on in awe as i watched my old man work. He was a Blacksmith and a farrier which is another dying trade, so needless to say, due to his guidence im quite malleable with metal if you'll pardon the pun.

I doubt ill ever re-invent the wheel, or pilot a shuttle to space but i dont judge anyone buy how smart they are only by thier actions. The bloke who works the shovel on the side of the road, is just as important as the bloke who does the maths to get us to space.

Were all cogs in the wheel.

Cheers russ

very well said ruste.....

Agreeing with Pjay, very well said.....

I agree as well. Im 31 so stuck in between a bit. One thing that does suprise me is the amount of trucking companys that are switching to Autos because the younger guys cant get used to Roadrangers and do too much damage.

If you want to drive a Auto, try a Falcon Taxi.

Im out of the game now but get a couple of weeks behind the wheel in every year just to keep the skills up and think there is nothing better than a well driven 18 speed. Becoming a rarity unfortunately.

if it wasnt for a computer this site or thread wouldnt even be here!! haha

one thing that will never change is the transfer of knowledge and skills from the old dog to the pup (father to son etc..)

Its an old joke but i thought it relavent here....

Theres and old bull and a young bull standing on top of a hill in a paddock full of cows

the young bull say's "how bout we run down there and shag one of those cow's"

The older and wiser bull replies "nah mate, we'll walk down there and shag the lot of them!'

You had big families and never got the treatment from your mother like families do these days. (breeds total selfishness). You're too busy worrying  about yourself to even give a shit about your offspring..( as far as your concerned every man for himself!)..You start to wonder why said children are saying fuck you and the community is in a total mess!

And you're too selfish and ignorantly stubborn to even think you were the cause!!

All it takes to make sure that the words you speak now won't bite you in the you-know-where later on, is to pay attention and think. Are these words coming from you? Or from your inner brat? Is there more potential harm than benefit from saying these words?

along the way there have been some nasty undertones creeping in and despite some excellent contributions and comments in general (I especially liked some of Ruste's comments) this is actually turned into a really stupid case of one upmanship.

Is it not abundantly clear to everyone that we are all going to be young, middle aged and old at one stage of our lives, we are all going to be the fresh new generation, the boring parental generation and then the really old "back in my day" grandpa generation whether its now, 50 years ago or 50 years from now. (I'm getting close to the grandpa generation now...)

Each generation and age group contributes to society in the context of the time in which they inhabit this planet. Remember that as time goes on we will all be measured by what we do with our lives, the people we influence and the way in which we influence them.

I for one now have the highest "RESPECT" for those generations that went before me (to be fair I didnt always have that view but that was because I was once one of the "know it all" generation that exists between the ages of 15 and 25 no matter what year you were born in) We have all been there and we have all done that.

But more importantly as a father I also have the highest "RESPECT" " for my kids and the things that they will have to deal with that are going to be unique to their generation.

here here Andy...you hit the nail on the head!!

i just dont think age is a direct indication of lack of inginuity, stupidity, or a lack of respect towards ones elders.

...unless were speaking in generalisations of cource and we all know where that leads...

cheers russ