I will have a choice with my work commitment. Ihave already had 6 covid tests in the last 3 months now back in Perth quarantine got 10 days to go and one more covid test to get out
I'll get it, like I get a flu jab every year as I'm susceptable to chest issues. We'll probably get the Oxofrd University vaccine which has been fairly well tested and probably won't be released here until next March. So at least another 4 months of testing.
Yep, and as the vaccine is only around 90% effective I'll get one of Starpharma's nose sprays that should be out in March. It is apparently 99.9% effective in eliminating the virus and has been used for years as a treatment for other issues.
I'm pro vaccine but conflicted and hope enough data on the safety of it on a mass population level is available when I am eligible to get jabs. My asthma has seen me have pneumonia twice with the second time resulting in secondary septicemia and a week in hospital on a drip so I am susceptible to the effects of Covid.
The main thing is to make sure that the most vulnerable, particularly the elderly have a level of immunity to this scourge.
My hope out of all this is that the intensive medical research into Covid-19 inadvertently unlocks unexpected treatments to other areas of disease, particularly cancers that manifest earlier in life such as breast, skin, brain and blood cancers.
I will certainly get it but based on a list of 1 - 11 in order of who is eligible I only rate number 9 so there will be a hell of a lot who get it before me!
No. Which will probably make my life hard in the next few years with my family overseas. I am even considering relocating because of that. If you look outside of the mainstream media and actually do your research, there is just too much stuff out there to ignore and not to consider. It's a type of vaccine we have never used before. Long term effects are unknown. Manufacturers are not liable for side effects (would you buy any product without manufacturer's backing?) CEO of one of the manufacturers cashed in 60% of his shares on the day of efficiency announcement. Bit strange, when the company is expected to make billions of $. By the way, same company which paid US$4.75 billion in fines over last 20 years for 80 different violations. Still trust them? The list just goes on. Gates has a lot of money in it. Given his history of involvement in vaccines, red flag there. UK advertising for AI software to record all the side effects. Another red flag. Here in Australia, agency which normally oversees your genetically modified corn and other GMOs has to sign off on the vaccine. Good thing in a way, but it also shows how deep this goes into your body. Do your research. Don’t trust what is put in front of you. Couple years ago DDT was the best thing to treat flees, asbestos was a miracle mineral and smoking was good for pregnant women. All that endorsed and advertised. Find as much information as you can. Make an informed decision. Then you can decide if you want lung cells from aborted foetus or a chimpanzee virus with your vaccine. Or maybe no vaccine at all. It's your body and nobody should and can tell you what to put in it. That includes your workplace. At the moment, the cure is worst than the disease. Maybe one day we will have a safe and effective vaccine. But that will take several years to find out. As it always have with vaccines. You can't cook a thick filet steak for a minute and call it well done. Well, you can call it that, but it's not.
Regulators cut corners to test the vaccine quickly
Since the virus began circulating earlier this year, scientists have been working around the clock to find a suitable vaccine and treatments.
The UK government department Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has been able to test the vaccine at a faster pace than usual due to the fact that clinical trials overlapped.
Data was examined in tandem, whereas usually it would be done separately.
The safety checks were still the same – and this was something the experts couldn’t compromise on.
“That doesn’t mean that any corners have been cut, none at all,” June Raine, head of regulator MHRA, said.
Dr Raine said experts had worked “round the clock, carefully, methodically poring over tables and analyses and graphs on every single piece of data”.
Pfizer’s vaccine side effects
Ones dubbed “very common” affecting more than one in 10 people include:
pain at injection site
tiredness
headache
muscle pain
chills
joint pain
fever
Other side effects dubbed “common” affecting up to one in 10 include:
injection site swelling
redness at injection site
nausea
While “uncommon” ones that may affect up to one in 100 people include:
enlarged lymph nodes
feeling unwell
2. The COVID vaccine is a repetition of the Thalidomide scandal
Thalidomide is a drug that many people came to distrust after it was marketed as a treatment for morning sickness in pregnant women in the 1950s and 60s, and caused serious birth defects.
But experts say it cannot be compared to a vaccine. Thalidomide went into the bloodstream whereas the COVID vaccine gives antibodies to fight off the virus.
Thalidomide was never properly tested, nor did it go through the rigorous monitoring system that the COVID vaccine has.
A consultant for the Thalidomide Society said the comparisons were “insulting”.
Dr Ruth Blue said it was “a bit insulting that suddenly Thalidomide gets remembered after all these years when it suits anti-vaxxers to have something to compare to”.
She added: “The outcome of Thalidomide completely changed the way drugs are tested and are passed.”
Millions of people in the UK will begin being vaccinated within days after its healthcare regulator approved the Pfizer/BioNtech COVID-19 vaccine for use. Picture: Justin Tallis / AFPSource:AFP
3. Bill Gates is using the vaccine to secretly microchip the world
Billionaire businessman Bill Gates’ charity works in vaccine development and the Microsoft founder is often subject to conspiracy theories.
There is no evidence that Mr Gates or anyone else is trying to microchip people through the use of a vaccine. Mr Gates has denied the claims.
The theory originated from a study that was funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation that stated the team developed an “approach to encode medical history on a patient” by including a small amount of dye with a vaccine.
However, it never experimented on humans and did not include any hardware technology, such as microchips.
Earlier this month police had to break up protesters who had gathered outside the headquarters of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in London.
British anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist Piers Corbyn was one of the people at the forefront of the protests.
There is no evidence Microsoft founder Bill Gates is using the vaccine to microchip people. Picture: Jeff Pachoud / AFPSource:AFP
4. One of the first participants in the vaccine trial has died
This is false. The first participant, Dr Elisa Granato, is still alive.
Dr Granato was one of the first participants in human trials of the AstraZeneca and Oxford University vaccine.
The false claims of her death prompted her to confirm she was “very much alive” and “having a cup of tea”.
5. Vaccines alter your DNA
The vaccines do not alter your DNA. They comprise mRNA that gives the body instructions on how to make proteins on the surface of the virus.
6. The government is passing law so that it can’t be held responsible
Another myth circulating in the UK is the government will pass a law which will mean that if the vaccine goes wrong when it is distributed, it cannot be held to account.
This is incorrect – the UK Government held a consultation on whether it should change the rules around unlicensed vaccines.
Unlicensed is not the same as untested and a manufacturer would still be liable if it did not meet safety standards, or if it was defective.
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson with a vial of the AstraZeneca/Oxford University candidate vaccine, known as AZD1222, in Wales on November 30. Picture: Paul Ellis/WPA Pool/Getty ImagesSource:Getty Images
7. The Oxford vaccine contains parts of aborted foetus
Facebook has been awash with this myth after a user falsely claimed the vaccine uses MRC-5 cell lines, which were “originally developed from research deriving lung tissue of a 14-week-old aborted caucasian male foetus”.
AstraZeneca said its vaccine was not developed using MRC-5 cell lines but does use a different cell strain, taken from a female foetus aborted in the 1970s.
The cells do not make it into the final jab – so they would not be injected into a patient.
They are cell lines that have been grown in a laboratory from a primary cell culture originally taken from a foetus.
8. It was created too quickly to be safe
This is incorrect — the global need for a vaccine has meant that experts everywhere have been working all hours to develop a jab.
“With Covid vaccines it is clear that we have a global public health emergency on our hands and that even waiting five years for a Covid vaccine if we don’t have to is completely the wrong thing to do,” the UK’s deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam said.
He said this meant the “shackles had come off in terms of investing”, and governments such as the UK’s had invested hundreds of millions of pounds “to try and speed it up”.
The standards for safety and effectiveness have not, however, changed due to the speed of production and testing – and it is still subject to independent regulation.
In the UK’s case, this comes from the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), which approved the Pfizer vaccine on Wednesday.
Well done. You are half way there. Now take each and every point and try to dispute it (or fact check it, as they call it now). Then make up your mind. It doesn’t take much to get completely different message out, or just half true. Let's look at no.6 for example. What seems to be really happening is, that the manufacturer(s) have been granted immunity from being sued for any damages caused by the vaccine made up to the standard (the way such a vaccine received approval). Which is what one would hope the manufactures can produce. However if there is another issue, lets make it easier to imagine and say somebody spills their morning coffee into a bucket with the vaccine, and then they pack it, distribute it and it gets injected into people, then they can still be held accountable for any damages. It looks like they are happy to take that risk, because that situation is unlikely, yet possible. And that's basically what they are saying in no. 6 of your article. Not lie, but only half of the true. So people without critical thinking go. All good then. So my understanding and I am again happy to be corrected is, that if the vaccine is "defective", you can sue the manufacturer, but if it causes any side effects or damages, then you have to sue the government. Or in some countries you might get an one off pay out as a compensation.
I agree. It was just an example of what it practically means – to make a defective product. I don’t think something like that can happen. But some other accident or fault on the production line can. In the volume of the expected production it's almost inevitable. But I don’t think that's the worrying part.
Misinformation is the most dangerous thing out there and, in my opinion, you have taken the hook, like and sinker.
Bill Gates foundation is aiming to eradicate Polio, Malaria, reduce HIV infections and prolong life of those infected.
Its good to be middle aged, white and in Australia where you can question the motives of a foundation trying to eradicate some pesky diseases that dont impact us.
I believe that polio vaccination has been widely successful. It is also a disease which affected my family member some 70 years ago with life long effect. And I have been vaccinated against it. But Gates' involvement with it is quite worrying. One example is him (his foundation) taking over Indian immunology governing body NTAGI. With its blessing he rolled out a massive oral polio vaccine program, which over the years paralysed some 490000 children. Eventually he was "asked" by Indian government to cease his involvement there. And the cases of paralysis dropped with ceasing the program. Oral polio vaccine is using weakened live virus. And it is much cheaper than the injected vaccine with a dead virus used in developed word and which most of us probably got. Things got as bad, that there are reports from countries, where the weakened strain of polio gained power again and caused more cases than a wild polio virus. I am not sure what his true motivation is. Might be money. He is in a business of "creating a healthy market for vaccination". He even came up with a term "decade of vaccination". Despite spending 100's of millions on this, his net worth doubled in last 10 years. Might be his depopulation plan. Just go on his TED talk. "If we do a really good job with a vaccine, we can lower the population by 10%" Or it might be control. That word is popping up more and more everywhere. Who knows.
Australia’s medicines regulator will wait for more data before approving a coronavirus vaccine despite the UK’s move to start delivering jabs from next week.
Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer has been given a fast-tracked green light to supply its vaccine, with the most vulnerable people to receive the first doses.
Therapeutic Goods Administration head Professor John Skerritt said it was important to note Britain’s decision was an emergency authorisation rather than full approval.
Australian law does not allow for such an authorisation.
“The situation is very much an emergency in the UK and I can understand totally why they are moving earlier, even with the greater uncertainty,” Prof Skerritt told the ABC.
He said while the British would know less about potential adverse side effects, the soaring death toll meant the country was moving faster.
It’s a three-horse race at the moment and any one of those three companies could be the first one to get to the finishing line.
The Australian government is hoping for a March rollout of the first vaccine after regulatory approval is granted.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison said he had great confidence in the TGA to assess vaccine safety.
“It is about getting the balance right on the timing and there’s an understandable urgency about that,” he told reporters in Canberra.
“But at the same time, on the health requirements, which are sacrosanct, and we don’t cut any corners on that.”
He said Australia would have a “front row seat” on the UK’s experience with the Pfizer vaccine.
A completely new, untried and untested type of vaccine. This is the Phizer vaccine. This type of vaccine has NEVER been approved for any infectious disease.
I'm all for vaccinations for Covid but not with this vaccine.
I wonder if we'll have a choice Mike. From my understanding the Phizer vaccine is very unstable in the fact that it has to be transported and stored at -70 degrees so that presents a problem in itself and two shots required 3 weeks apart. The Oxford vax although not as effective is a lot more stable.
same ....im not anti vaccine and have my flu shots being asthmatic every year and im pretty careful with managing it
but with this one ill be more than happy to wait , and see the runs on the board over time ,, if it becomes compulsory ill be refusing , and will be happy to stay in australia for a while until im satisfied its as safe as it can be
having watched a few science docos on pandemics and the vaccine creation processes and difficulites with it being created etc im cautious these first editions for approval will be the silver bullet everyone wants
Same here, Im not anti vaccine, but this whole 'Pandemic' wreaks of high level collusion. What does Covid actually do to you? Death rates are miniscule in comparison to infection rate, and most of them were the elderly that are generally susceptible to respiratory conditions. The rate of deaths in the elderly through conditions such as pneumonia has been the lowest it has been in decades. Perhaps people dying 'with ' Covid are being categorized as dying 'from' covid. Who knows, time will tell.
And yet nearly every US hospital is bursting at the seams. They will be turning people away by Christmas, let alone the huge surge of cases that Christmas celeebratiins will bring. And for those who think that this only affects oldies, the disease death rate of 26-44 yo (people dying of illness) is up 25% in the US since January.
As a ratio the death rate may seem low however Many have died and many also are suffering long term complications. No doubt my dad would die if he caught it and if he doesn’t he has at least another 5 years in him
Pneumonia is generally a secondary infection and our social distancing and increased hygeine mean we have contracted less non Covid viruses this year thus less pneumonia.
This isn't the first pandemic of this nature and I believe modern day society is in shock that something like this could occur with all of our technology/medical advances and are looking for a scapegoat.... Bill Gates the World Order Emperor who is feeding us mind controlling substances through flouride, vaccines and chem trails and programming us via 5G to stop us walking to the edge of the earth and meeting the aliens who built the pyramids and is raking in cash from Govt loans to fund their lockdowns.
There's no money in cures Boon! Tin foil hat time, but if government's pulled the billions of annual dollars out of disease research, I cant help but think cure's would start to suddenly appear. Mainly because the insurance companies they're all in bed with will enforce it as they wouldnt be able to afford the payouts! Haha, ah well, back to wiring the spotties on the boat I guess.
You're missing the part where insurance companies would simply raise their premiums (as they did with the 2010/11 QLD floods) and everybody would dump them and rely solely on Medicare and overload the public system. This would cost the Govt Billions more than they spent on research.
People with a history of significant allergic reactions should not have the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid jab, regulators say.
It came after two NHS workers had allergic reactions on Tuesday.
The advice applies to those who have had reactions to medicines, food or vaccines, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency said.
The two people had a reaction shortly after having the new jab, had treatment and are both fine now.
They are understood to have had an anaphylactoid reaction - much milder than anaphylaxis - which tends to involve a skin rash, breathlessness and sometimes a drop in blood pressure.
Both NHS workers have a history of serious allergies and carry adrenalin pens around with them.
Professor Stephen Powis, medical director for the NHS in England, said both individuals are recovering well.
"As is common with new vaccines, the MHRA have advised on a precautionary basis that people with a significant history of allergic reactions do not receive this vaccination after two people with a history of significant allergic reactions responded adversely," he said.
Drug development and vaccine development does take time -- normally. And that in the past has purely been due to $$$.
It cost heaps and heaps to develop these drugs and vaccines. Each stage in the USUAL time takes as much effort to get the $$ to pay and hence the average development time of 5-10yrs.
This is not the current case, hence the absolute remarkable pace, because money is not a problem as various government are pouring this in bucket loads. There is thus no funding pauses between stages of development.
As a front line health worker no doubt I would be in line near the top of the pile, and I work in a GP Respiratory Clinic which is considered high risk.
I will get it as soon as it is available, and as a scientific person I have extensively read about the progress of these vaccines on a daily basis. It is warp speed but no stone is uncrossed as far as I have read. Companies and Government are to scared to give fuel to anti-vaxers which could impact other vaccines established aswel.
Not enough time and information available on testing, so no vaccine for me just yet, as simple as that.
Do I trust big pharma, no
Do I trust our government, no
Do I trust anyone else's opinion on here, no, regardless of your profession or google prowess.
The only informed decision I will make will be my own in due time.
lrp1
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Of course. As soon as it's
Of course. As soon as it's available
SeperateKnob
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Just been approved in the UK
Just been approved in the UK so probably will be approved he soon. So yeah I’ll be lining up when it’s my turn
OOH YEH
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I don’t think
I will have a choice with my work commitment. Ihave already had 6 covid tests in the last 3 months now back in Perth quarantine got 10 days to go and one more covid test to get out
Fathom
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I'll wait
there could be some major side effects that we havn't had time to see establish. I'm not an anti vaxxer, just cautious.
Edit: Some side effects noted by a bloke: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6520/1022
uncle
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Yeah no need
to rush in, there’s a lot of other bad shit out there.
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
sea-kem
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I'll get it, like I get a
I'll get it, like I get a flu jab every year as I'm susceptable to chest issues. We'll probably get the Oxofrd University vaccine which has been fairly well tested and probably won't be released here until next March. So at least another 4 months of testing.
Love the West!
flangies
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No choice in oil and gas.
No choice in oil and gas. No jab no job
meglodon
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You betcha
Soon as it's available
Mulie
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Yep, and as the vaccine is
Yep, and as the vaccine is only around 90% effective I'll get one of Starpharma's nose sprays that should be out in March. It is apparently 99.9% effective in eliminating the virus and has been used for years as a treatment for other issues.
Mulie
Jackfrost80
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I'm pro vaccine but
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
davewillo
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I will certainly get it but
I will certainly get it but based on a list of 1 - 11 in order of who is eligible I only rate number 9 so there will be a hell of a lot who get it before me!
PGFC member and lure tragic
Swompa
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Yep, I wont be the first in
Yep, I wont be the first in the queue but when its my turn i will.
Likc
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No. Which will probably make
No. Which will probably make my life hard in the next few years with my family overseas. I am even considering relocating because of that. If you look outside of the mainstream media and actually do your research, there is just too much stuff out there to ignore and not to consider. It's a type of vaccine we have never used before. Long term effects are unknown. Manufacturers are not liable for side effects (would you buy any product without manufacturer's backing?) CEO of one of the manufacturers cashed in 60% of his shares on the day of efficiency announcement. Bit strange, when the company is expected to make billions of $. By the way, same company which paid US$4.75 billion in fines over last 20 years for 80 different violations. Still trust them?
The list just goes on. Gates has a lot of money in it. Given his history of involvement in vaccines, red flag there. UK advertising for AI software to record all the side effects. Another red flag.
Here in Australia, agency which normally oversees your genetically modified corn and other GMOs has to sign off on the vaccine. Good thing in a way, but it also shows how deep this goes into your body.
Do your research. Don’t trust what is put in front of you. Couple years ago DDT was the best thing to treat flees, asbestos was a miracle mineral and smoking was good for pregnant women. All that endorsed and advertised.
Find as much information as you can. Make an informed decision. Then you can decide if you want lung cells from aborted foetus or a chimpanzee virus with your vaccine. Or maybe no vaccine at all. It's your body and nobody should and can tell you what to put in it. That includes your workplace.
At the moment, the cure is worst than the disease. Maybe one day we will have a safe and effective vaccine. But that will take several years to find out. As it always have with vaccines. You can't cook a thick filet steak for a minute and call it well done. Well, you can call it that, but it's not.
sea-kem
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But we aren't getting the
But we aren't getting the version the Brits are, ours is till being tested.
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Likc
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It is one of 5 contracts
It is one of 5 contracts Australia has. 10 million doses available in this contract. But yes, still in testing...
https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/vaccines-and-treatments/australias-vaccine-agreements
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Love the West!
Fathom
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Spot on bro
The fastest over the finishing line wins all the $$$$$$$....meanwhile everyone that took it has turned blind and are in wheelchairs
Mulie
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Are you Pete Evans?
Are you Pete Evans, Likc?
Mulie
Likc
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I am not, but I am happy to
I am not, but I am happy to be corrected on anything I have written. If you have better and more accurate information, please share.
Jackfrost80
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Time to do your research
Time to do your research Mulie
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
Mulie
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That's gold, Jack.
That's gold, Jack.
Mulie
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Here you go Likc:Regulators
Here you go Likc:
Regulators cut corners to test the vaccine quickly
Since the virus began circulating earlier this year, scientists have been working around the clock to find a suitable vaccine and treatments.
The UK government department Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has been able to test the vaccine at a faster pace than usual due to the fact that clinical trials overlapped.
Data was examined in tandem, whereas usually it would be done separately.
The safety checks were still the same – and this was something the experts couldn’t compromise on.
“That doesn’t mean that any corners have been cut, none at all,” June Raine, head of regulator MHRA, said.
Dr Raine said experts had worked “round the clock, carefully, methodically poring over tables and analyses and graphs on every single piece of data”.
Ones dubbed “very common” affecting more than one in 10 people include:
Other side effects dubbed “common” affecting up to one in 10 include:
While “uncommon” ones that may affect up to one in 100 people include:
2. The COVID vaccine is a repetition of the Thalidomide scandal
Thalidomide is a drug that many people came to distrust after it was marketed as a treatment for morning sickness in pregnant women in the 1950s and 60s, and caused serious birth defects.
But experts say it cannot be compared to a vaccine. Thalidomide went into the bloodstream whereas the COVID vaccine gives antibodies to fight off the virus.
Thalidomide was never properly tested, nor did it go through the rigorous monitoring system that the COVID vaccine has.
A consultant for the Thalidomide Society said the comparisons were “insulting”.
Dr Ruth Blue said it was “a bit insulting that suddenly Thalidomide gets remembered after all these years when it suits anti-vaxxers to have something to compare to”.
She added: “The outcome of Thalidomide completely changed the way drugs are tested and are passed.”
Millions of people in the UK will begin being vaccinated within days after its healthcare regulator approved the Pfizer/BioNtech COVID-19 vaccine for use. Picture: Justin Tallis / AFPSource:AFP
3. Bill Gates is using the vaccine to secretly microchip the world
Billionaire businessman Bill Gates’ charity works in vaccine development and the Microsoft founder is often subject to conspiracy theories.
There is no evidence that Mr Gates or anyone else is trying to microchip people through the use of a vaccine. Mr Gates has denied the claims.
The theory originated from a study that was funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation that stated the team developed an “approach to encode medical history on a patient” by including a small amount of dye with a vaccine.
However, it never experimented on humans and did not include any hardware technology, such as microchips.
Earlier this month police had to break up protesters who had gathered outside the headquarters of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in London.
British anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist Piers Corbyn was one of the people at the forefront of the protests.
There is no evidence Microsoft founder Bill Gates is using the vaccine to microchip people. Picture: Jeff Pachoud / AFPSource:AFP
4. One of the first participants in the vaccine trial has died
This is false. The first participant, Dr Elisa Granato, is still alive.
Dr Granato was one of the first participants in human trials of the AstraZeneca and Oxford University vaccine.
The false claims of her death prompted her to confirm she was “very much alive” and “having a cup of tea”.
5. Vaccines alter your DNA
The vaccines do not alter your DNA. They comprise mRNA that gives the body instructions on how to make proteins on the surface of the virus.
6. The government is passing law so that it can’t be held responsible
Another myth circulating in the UK is the government will pass a law which will mean that if the vaccine goes wrong when it is distributed, it cannot be held to account.
This is incorrect – the UK Government held a consultation on whether it should change the rules around unlicensed vaccines.
Unlicensed is not the same as untested and a manufacturer would still be liable if it did not meet safety standards, or if it was defective.
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson with a vial of the AstraZeneca/Oxford University candidate vaccine, known as AZD1222, in Wales on November 30. Picture: Paul Ellis/WPA Pool/Getty ImagesSource:Getty Images
7. The Oxford vaccine contains parts of aborted foetus
Facebook has been awash with this myth after a user falsely claimed the vaccine uses MRC-5 cell lines, which were “originally developed from research deriving lung tissue of a 14-week-old aborted caucasian male foetus”.
AstraZeneca said its vaccine was not developed using MRC-5 cell lines but does use a different cell strain, taken from a female foetus aborted in the 1970s.
The cells do not make it into the final jab – so they would not be injected into a patient.
They are cell lines that have been grown in a laboratory from a primary cell culture originally taken from a foetus.
8. It was created too quickly to be safe
This is incorrect — the global need for a vaccine has meant that experts everywhere have been working all hours to develop a jab.
“With Covid vaccines it is clear that we have a global public health emergency on our hands and that even waiting five years for a Covid vaccine if we don’t have to is completely the wrong thing to do,” the UK’s deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam said.
He said this meant the “shackles had come off in terms of investing”, and governments such as the UK’s had invested hundreds of millions of pounds “to try and speed it up”.
The standards for safety and effectiveness have not, however, changed due to the speed of production and testing – and it is still subject to independent regulation.
In the UK’s case, this comes from the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), which approved the Pfizer vaccine on Wednesday.
Mulie
Likc
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Well done. You are half way
Well done. You are half way there. Now take each and every point and try to dispute it (or fact check it, as they call it now). Then make up your mind. It doesn’t take much to get completely different message out, or just half true.
Let's look at no.6 for example.
What seems to be really happening is, that the manufacturer(s) have been granted immunity from being sued for any damages caused by the vaccine made up to the standard (the way such a vaccine received approval). Which is what one would hope the manufactures can produce.
However if there is another issue, lets make it easier to imagine and say somebody spills their morning coffee into a bucket with the vaccine, and then they pack it, distribute it and it gets injected into people, then they can still be held accountable for any damages. It looks like they are happy to take that risk, because that situation is unlikely, yet possible.
And that's basically what they are saying in no. 6 of your article. Not lie, but only half of the true. So people without critical thinking go. All good then.
So my understanding and I am again happy to be corrected is, that if the vaccine is "defective", you can sue the manufacturer, but if it causes any side effects or damages, then you have to sue the government. Or in some countries you might get an one off pay out as a compensation.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-legal-indemnity-safety-ministers-b1765124.html
https://theconversation.com/who-pays-compensation-if-a-covid-19-vaccine-has-rare-side-effects-heres-the-little-we-know-about-australias-new-deal-147846
https://fullfact.org/health/unlicensed-vaccine-manufacturers-are-immune-some-not-all-civil-liability/
sea-kem
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Sorry mate but imo you're
Sorry mate but imo you're pulling a pretty long bow there with that example.
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Likc
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I agree. It was just an
I agree. It was just an example of what it practically means – to make a defective product. I don’t think something like that can happen. But some other accident or fault on the production line can. In the volume of the expected production it's almost inevitable. But I don’t think that's the worrying part.
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Swompa
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I think you forgot 5G
I think you forgot 5G
Misinformation is the most dangerous thing out there and, in my opinion, you have taken the hook, like and sinker.
Bill Gates foundation is aiming to eradicate Polio, Malaria, reduce HIV infections and prolong life of those infected.
Its good to be middle aged, white and in Australia where you can question the motives of a foundation trying to eradicate some pesky diseases that dont impact us.
Likc
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I believe that polio
I believe that polio vaccination has been widely successful. It is also a disease which affected my family member some 70 years ago with life long effect. And I have been vaccinated against it.
But Gates' involvement with it is quite worrying. One example is him (his foundation) taking over Indian immunology governing body NTAGI. With its blessing he rolled out a massive oral polio vaccine program, which over the years paralysed some 490000 children. Eventually he was "asked" by Indian government to cease his involvement there. And the cases of paralysis dropped with ceasing the program. Oral polio vaccine is using weakened live virus. And it is much cheaper than the injected vaccine with a dead virus used in developed word and which most of us probably got.
Things got as bad, that there are reports from countries, where the weakened strain of polio gained power again and caused more cases than a wild polio virus.
I am not sure what his true motivation is. Might be money. He is in a business of "creating a healthy market for vaccination". He even came up with a term "decade of vaccination". Despite spending 100's of millions on this, his net worth doubled in last 10 years.
Might be his depopulation plan. Just go on his TED talk. "If we do a really good job with a vaccine, we can lower the population by 10%"
Or it might be control. That word is popping up more and more everywhere.
Who knows.
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sea-kem
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Australia’s medicines
Australia’s medicines regulator will wait for more data before approving a coronavirus vaccine despite the UK’s move to start delivering jabs from next week.
Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer has been given a fast-tracked green light to supply its vaccine, with the most vulnerable people to receive the first doses.
Therapeutic Goods Administration head Professor John Skerritt said it was important to note Britain’s decision was an emergency authorisation rather than full approval.
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Australian law does not allow for such an authorisation.
“The situation is very much an emergency in the UK and I can understand totally why they are moving earlier, even with the greater uncertainty,” Prof Skerritt told the ABC.
He said while the British would know less about potential adverse side effects, the soaring death toll meant the country was moving faster.
It’s a three-horse race at the moment and any one of those three companies could be the first one to get to the finishing line.
The Australian government is hoping for a March rollout of the first vaccine after regulatory approval is granted.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison said he had great confidence in the TGA to assess vaccine safety.
“It is about getting the balance right on the timing and there’s an understandable urgency about that,” he told reporters in Canberra.
“But at the same time, on the health requirements, which are sacrosanct, and we don’t cut any corners on that.”
He said Australia would have a “front row seat” on the UK’s experience with the Pfizer vaccine.
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mRNA-based vaccine
Google mRNA based vaccine.
A completely new, untried and untested type of vaccine. This is the Phizer vaccine. This type of vaccine has NEVER been approved for any infectious disease.
I'm all for vaccinations for Covid but not with this vaccine.
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sea-kem
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I wonder if we'll have a
I wonder if we'll have a choice Mike. From my understanding the Phizer vaccine is very unstable in the fact that it has to be transported and stored at -70 degrees so that presents a problem in itself and two shots required 3 weeks apart. The Oxford vax although not as effective is a lot more stable.
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same ....im not anti vaccine
same ....im not anti vaccine and have my flu shots being asthmatic every year and im pretty careful with managing it
but with this one ill be more than happy to wait , and see the runs on the board over time ,, if it becomes compulsory ill be refusing , and will be happy to stay in australia for a while until im satisfied its as safe as it can be
having watched a few science docos on pandemics and the vaccine creation processes and difficulites with it being created etc im cautious these first editions for approval will be the silver bullet everyone wants
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Lastchance
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Same here, Im not anti
Same here, Im not anti vaccine, but this whole 'Pandemic' wreaks of high level collusion. What does Covid actually do to you? Death rates are miniscule in comparison to infection rate, and most of them were the elderly that are generally susceptible to respiratory conditions. The rate of deaths in the elderly through conditions such as pneumonia has been the lowest it has been in decades. Perhaps people dying 'with ' Covid are being categorized as dying 'from' covid. Who knows, time will tell.
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And yet nearly every US
And yet nearly every US hospital is bursting at the seams. They will be turning people away by Christmas, let alone the huge surge of cases that Christmas celeebratiins will bring. And for those who think that this only affects oldies, the disease death rate of 26-44 yo (people dying of illness) is up 25% in the US since January.
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As a ratio the death rate may
As a ratio the death rate may seem low however Many have died and many also are suffering long term complications. No doubt my dad would die if he caught it and if he doesn’t he has at least another 5 years in him
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Pneumonia is generally a
Pneumonia is generally a secondary infection and our social distancing and increased hygeine mean we have contracted less non Covid viruses this year thus less pneumonia.
This isn't the first pandemic of this nature and I believe modern day society is in shock that something like this could occur with all of our technology/medical advances and are looking for a scapegoat.... Bill Gates the World Order Emperor who is feeding us mind controlling substances through flouride, vaccines and chem trails and programming us via 5G to stop us walking to the edge of the earth and meeting the aliens who built the pyramids and is raking in cash from Govt loans to fund their lockdowns.
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sea-kem
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Ha ha gold!
Ha ha gold!
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uncle
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Don’t know about that
bactrial puenmonia nearly got me 5 Weeks ago and staff at Joondalup said it was rampant
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timboon
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Elon will be the micro
Elon will be the micro chipper...
Bill has good intentions seemingly, I'm thinking of writing to him and asking him for a loan...
Bills a little way down the big dog list now...
I wont be rushing into vaccine, I don't see the need to for me where I live really ( not anti either but i'll let this one settle for a while )...
Are they talking its a one off now or its a yearly jab? As far as I was aware there isn't a "cure" its just a preventative??
Lastchance
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There's no money in cures
There's no money in cures Boon! Tin foil hat time, but if government's pulled the billions of annual dollars out of disease research, I cant help but think cure's would start to suddenly appear. Mainly because the insurance companies they're all in bed with will enforce it as they wouldnt be able to afford the payouts! Haha, ah well, back to wiring the spotties on the boat I guess.
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Everyone loves a good
Everyone loves a good conspiracy theory
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You're missing the part where
You're missing the part where insurance companies would simply raise their premiums (as they did with the 2010/11 QLD floods) and everybody would dump them and rely solely on Medicare and overload the public system. This would cost the Govt Billions more than they spent on research.
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uncle
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It going so well in England
Couple of the first oldies have got anaplaxic shock
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sea-kem
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Let's put up the whole story
Let's put up the whole story eh Unc
People with a history of significant allergic reactions should not have the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid jab, regulators say.
It came after two NHS workers had allergic reactions on Tuesday.
The advice applies to those who have had reactions to medicines, food or vaccines, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency said.
The two people had a reaction shortly after having the new jab, had treatment and are both fine now.
They are understood to have had an anaphylactoid reaction - much milder than anaphylaxis - which tends to involve a skin rash, breathlessness and sometimes a drop in blood pressure.
Both NHS workers have a history of serious allergies and carry adrenalin pens around with them.
Professor Stephen Powis, medical director for the NHS in England, said both individuals are recovering well.
"As is common with new vaccines, the MHRA have advised on a precautionary basis that people with a significant history of allergic reactions do not receive this vaccination after two people with a history of significant allergic reactions responded adversely," he said.
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That clears that up
then, I’ll still wait.
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SeperateKnob
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It is not uncommon to have
It is not uncommon to have allergic reactions to any vaccine
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Drug development and vaccine
Drug development and vaccine development does take time -- normally. And that in the past has purely been due to $$$.
It cost heaps and heaps to develop these drugs and vaccines. Each stage in the USUAL time takes as much effort to get the $$ to pay and hence the average development time of 5-10yrs.
This is not the current case, hence the absolute remarkable pace, because money is not a problem as various government are pouring this in bucket loads. There is thus no funding pauses between stages of development.
As a front line health worker no doubt I would be in line near the top of the pile, and I work in a GP Respiratory Clinic which is considered high risk.
I will get it as soon as it is available, and as a scientific person I have extensively read about the progress of these vaccines on a daily basis. It is warp speed but no stone is uncrossed as far as I have read. Companies and Government are to scared to give fuel to anti-vaxers which could impact other vaccines established aswel.
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Thanks Neels , iv"e been on
Thanks Neels , iv"e been on the fence on this . Good to hear from someone with first hand knowledge .
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Not enough time and
Not enough time and information available on testing, so no vaccine for me just yet, as simple as that.
Do I trust big pharma, no
Do I trust our government, no
Do I trust anyone else's opinion on here, no, regardless of your profession or google prowess.
The only informed decision I will make will be my own in due time.
Lastchance
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Spot on NN, the blind faith
Spot on NN, the blind faith that we're all expected to embrace is mind numbing.