Bag limit, Boat fishing and demersal licence
Submitted by crasny1 on Wed, 2012-07-11 17:07
After reading the interesting topic on bag limits for Tailor.
From up here in dampier it certainly appears that dhu numbers are on the increase. Now what interest me is whether there is more or less recreational activity because of the Licences required. Obviously up here we only need a Boat fishing licence and I have not seen a decline in boats going out since that was introduced.
But down south you need both.
Has that detered some from fishing? And has this had an effect on the stocks?
Just interested on the views.
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dumper
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What do you mean both??
What do you mean both??
snappermiles
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they dropped the demersal licence
so you only need the one fishing from a boat licence! i dont think that has made a difference more the fact that the commercial cray fishermen cant bag a load of dhuies every day!
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crasny1
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Sorry guys
Shows how much attention I have paid. I was still under the impression there was a demersal licence. I stand corrected.
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till
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If you could afford a boat,
If you could afford a boat, why would you give a shit about $50 license?
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The only people who would
The only people who would probably give fishing a miss due to licensing costs , are probably those who weren't much of a threat to the "V5" anyway.
So no.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Vinesh87
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Agreed, you don't. It just
Agreed, you don't. It just may stop the occasional fisher from being invited out !!
dumper
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They were proposing a $150
They were proposing a $150 demersal fee on top of the recreational fishing from boat license, as well as the demersal ban and a catch reduction. Most skippers would pay it but I reckon you'd have a hard time trying to entice part time deckies to come out for a day on the water.
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Metro area only.................
Lets remember to that "down South" applies to the metro region. South of there - from around Lake Clifton south its open slather for the Commercials - especially difficult when we have a closed season for 2 months and let me tell you there is "NO STOCK PRESERVATION" happening then full stop. The whole IFM pie for demersal species is firmly in their hands then and they are making the most of it, which they are allowed to do by the managers of the State Fishery. If the Dept was serious the season would be closed to all to assist with the species recruitment.
Have a look back at the Depts State of the Fisheries report from 2005 on for the demersal species off the West Coast and you'll see that WAFIC supported the plunder and overfishing of these species ( up to 50% per year more beyond the Dept recommended figures) because WAFIC knew that Fisheries WA would introduce the IFM framework to multiple fisheries and this was there modus operandi to strengthen their arguement about who should get what when these fisheries were divided up. You can read the couple of sentences summarizing the efforts which clearly indicates they took more than they should have.
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Its not "open slather" as
Its not "open slather" as far as i know. Isnt it quota'ed? Its pretty obvious now though that the closed season is a croc of shit as it doesnt coincide with the breeding period for dhuies and was merely political.
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I have to admit I have no idea about why the close season!!
As a scientist I looked at the reason behind it, and couldnt find one that made sense. I am no marine biologist, but can read scientific papers and see through the hogwosh and waffle.
I think the closure is not to do with breading, it is to do with De-pressurising the fishing effort. 2months a year ~=17% reduction in catch time. Also in a period when it is "good" to go fishing with warmer weather and calmer days (I have forgotten what its like in Perth/Mandurah during the Ban time - all I know it Fkn hot up here -LOL). I would guestimate closer to a 25% reduction in fishing pressure. That could equate to this reduction in fish caught, plus the V5 bag limits.
Are we seeing this on the score board? From up here I see more Dhu's caught than previous years on here. More juvies caught. Without a study its hard to prove whether this is due to the Ban, more fishing pressure when we are out there, better technology and fishing techniques etc etc.
One decent dhu is a few good feeds, but I personally fish for pleasure, and I am not sure that we dont harm Dhu's with barotrauma despite tag recaptures and release weights. They are an iconic fish to catch, worth a Brag, and feels fantastic when you do (I miss the days) so If I go out, catch a decent size dhu and keep it, this means C&R for the rest for Dhu's. I am not sure this doesn't injure the iconic fish, so morally I dont know what I would do then.
Bring the Dhuy feeling fish up very slow (fortunately from reports sharking not so common - you wouldnt do it up here on a red) and release weight, or change targets. I think I might change targets, and if others do the same, then there is further depressure on them.
In my opinion, love it or hate it, un-scientifically it appears that the "changes" have helped the fishery, and it doesnt realy matter whether this is the closure, banning commercials (I know I know this is the big one) or others.
I feel that the Metro Fishery is on the improve, which is good for us all.
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Crasny - NIMBY
Not in My Backyard - I don't see improvement in the fishery here in Bunbury - where I live lived and fished for over 20 years now. Less Baitfish - less tailor, less Mulloway, less small sharks thats the beach. Less Snapper & Dhuies in the boat.
You said
"In my opinion, love it or hate it, un-scientifically it appears that the "changes" have helped the fishery, and it doesnt realy matter whether this is the closure, banning commercials (I know I know this is the big one) or others."
In answer to your statement the "changes" have improved the fishery in the Metro Region because the fishery is recovering from the pressure of combined fishing by Commercial and Recreational. I find it interesting to see the removal of 1/2 of the stakeholders who effect the Biomass has now bought improved fishing to the remaining stakeholders. Why is that so? Would it have to do with the highly efficient but non-discriminatory method of operation used by the commercial fishers who took advantage of the fish biomass on the doorstep of the city?
Look what happens 5 or so years down the track after Minister Ford enacted that policy change. This is what you see happen more often
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/snapper-beach
However,
South of the 115 degree line we get no protection - commercials operate out of Bunbury and they work their allotted days hard and fast as they are allowed - I don't begrudge them of making a living - I just hate the non discriminaory method that is used. So effective are there netting skills that the wise old salts here avoid going near any locations they have fished for extended periods of time - a lot of these guys are now doing massive kilometres to catch fish - thats their choice.
Quite simply there is no improvement to the fishery here - there has been no "mulloway season" a solid school of fish were taken out North of Bunbury by the Beach Seine netters - It didn't stop my son and I from going fishing for them on multiple occasions- we had some great nights on the beach looking at the stars and sharing some father/ son time - it was fish free. I share my knowledge wih a number of other like minded Mulloway fishos - all had very poor seasons off the beaches. We don't ask each other where each fishes, we don't need to.
On your last point
"I feel that the Metro Fishery is on the improve, which is good for us all."
You know I've got a great mate here - the best fisherman I know- he's in the top 1 percent of the 10% who catch 90% of the fish. When He goes and fishes he catches fish and how. He pisses alot of others off because of this canny skill. This year he kept dropping hints to me to go Mulloway fishing cause he was catching fish - just didn't say where - eventually he fessed up - he was driving 1 & 1/2 hours to Perth and fishing there - getting fish every time he went and then 1 and 1/2 hours home- Surely that says something about the state of the situation south of 115degrees South.
Oh by the way - I haven't bothered to mention the plunder of the South Coast - maybe another post- Adam will kick me off for typing to much!
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forgive my ignorance but i
forgive my ignorance but i cant figure out whether ur arguing or agreeing with crasny.
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Metro area only.................
South of that is Shizen - you need to get out a little more mate and stretch your understanding - or perhaps in your case ignorance is bliss!