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hey all i am a little disheartened in some peoples ethics on the water. I was fishing on my favourite spot at this time of year not another boat for at leasta kilometer. i had two rods going both of which were bent over most the time on sambos from 5 to 10kg. having fun a boat that must have been watching form a distance came right up next to me while im fighting the fish and pinged my sot on his gps. how rude is that. He then said looks like your having fun and i told him to well yeah nicely leave. and go find his own spots. The dude then proceeded to go around the front of my boat where my anchor was and pinged that too. i know the sot is not just mine and its a free world but to come from a distance away right up to me and then ping my spot is just dam right rude. at least i know the anger management courses are wrking because that guy still has his gps onboard his boat. im one for sharing soem spots with others but not in that way.
Dean
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Some people have no
Some people have no idea.
Fishing on one of our best spots a month ago, we had 4 boats in 1 hour come about 50m away ping it on the GPS then bugger off, apart from one who decided he would start a drift 40m away from us, really frustrating.
bouttime
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Same thing today, had Blue
Same thing today, had Blue Juice come over as we were setting up for another drift and pull up 5mtrs away from us and start fishing. had no choice but move as we would have hit them drifting faster than them. Not the first time and prob wont be the last.
Big pain in the bum
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Bouttime
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Dean
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how did you guys go today?
how did you guys go today? was quite slow for us, I think the visibility in the water was quite high and put the fish off a bit.
Ended with 2 small dhuies, 1 flathead 50-60cm, 2 blackarse, 1 gold spotted sweetlip
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Pretty Good
We tagged and released 8 legal size fish and kept one 13kg Dhuie, one Baldie, one Harlequin, one KG, and one big Blackarse.
Tim has the photos and a vid of me tagging and releasing a 70cm Dhuie.
The Gulp crab rig I have been using lately accounted for the Harlequin, the KG and several pinkies that we released. Worked a treat to increase my desirable by-catch, shame I hadn't caught a few of these ones before I wrote the article in this months FWA, as the pics would have been perfect for it.
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Dean
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funny you say about the KG
funny you say about the KG rig, I decided to use a light rig myself at an area holding quite a lot of smaller fish. So as soon as it hit's the bottom (dhuie hits it) and pulled about 8m of line then busted the leader 40lb, and we were getting nothing on the heavier 100lb leader on the other rigs.
tailor marc
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I dont get out in boats but
I dont get out in boats but that stuff where stupid d@%k h@#ds cant find there own spots and mark yours on GPS would almost in my books ask for a fair punch in the face.
I had a incedent a few weeks ago where i was fishing from the riverbank casting towards a structure at night.
Then came "Mr @$%#" in his little tinny and shined his lights strait on me which was fine beause he seen me fishing there. He then proceeded to pull up right onto the side i was fishing infact right where my line was. Unfortunatly my line didnt get tanged all through his prop :(
I yelled out to him to piss off.
He continued to ignore me then tied his boat upto that structure. I continued to cast within cm's of his boat until finally it happed! SMACK! Sconed him in the shoulder. He was still pretending i wasnt there and that didnt happen.
He was really lucky that i wasnt fishing with a few of my usual mates or there would of been a brawl and they would of come off second best!
Just because they have a boat doesnt mean they have more right than a landbased fisherman.
He had the whole river to go fish in but no , he wants to go right where im fishing
If you find a spot and someone pushed there way in or marked you hard earned fishing location then they should expect damage to there face
I dont know about you all but i would spend over $50-$100 per week on everything to go fishing 2-3 times a weekend and weds night and finding good locations can take many hard hours.
Nothing worse than people tryin to suss out your spots.
Has someone acually made a "fishermans etiquite book"
Might be a good idea, might save some people getting bashed haha
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BQ544
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yeah when I was out last
yeah when I was out last Tuesday, Blue Juice charter did the same thing to me, came over and set up a drift right in front of me. Then I left went back in to the 65 metres and started to fish and 20 minutes later he's next to us again?
Andy Mac
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Etiquette book
Its a big ocean and a big river, plenty of space for everyone. These spot stealers are nothing more than school yard bullies, muscling in on everyone elses fun.
In the vid I did with Shamu "Dhuie Delight 2" you can see I was more concerned with an approaching boat than I was with the fish on the end of the line. These days I will either pick up and move as soon as I see another boat heading my way or let the drift go way off line until they are gone.
Its the sneaky ones that you can't stop as these days there are quite a few boats out there with radar.
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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agree
I fully agree Mike, that really p!sses me off too!
.......i'm thinking get your own spots. I play mind games however, i quickly see this happening (learnt it the hard way) so now i see them coming.....drive onto a complete baron sand spot.....doing plenty of motor roaring circles (they're watching me with excitement) then do a fake drift then drop the lines down 5 metres only and pretend to wait for a bite. I do a long drift, they ping the spot and do the same drift....they get nothing and drive off thinking i dont know what i'm doing....i'm on crap ground etc.......ca-ching ya idiots
I hate it when they are on course to "their" spot but see me and do a B line towards me
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SPESS
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Apparently it is illegal for
Apparently it is illegal for charter boats to do this and if you conplain to the right poeple they get quite a large fine and when three strikes are on there name they canm get there licence suspended for 12 months! Just a thouight. :)
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Charter Dive boats do the
fishy fingers
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Sorry guy's but we dont own
Sorry guy's but we dont own the ocean or the fishing spots I agree puling up next to someone already on a spot you alreay have in your gps is a bit rude especially given that there are not a lot of good spots in some places or pinging someones spot and I wouldn't do it but you cant expect someone to travel 15 or 20 k's or more to a spot they decided they were going to the day before and just leave when some one is already in the area and providing you dont interfere with someone elses fishing ie stay at least 100 metres away it's fair game imo I wouldn't mind as I said we dont own the ocean or the fish in it. example what would happen in cockburn sound when the snapper ban is lifted and every man and his dog wants to go fishing on any given night? I've been out ther some nights with 30 boats on sulphur rock some not 10m metres away. Who should leave then?
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Dean
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The sound is different IMO,
The sound is different IMO, don't have a problem if someone fishes an aggregation with us whether it be sambo's, pinkies, tuna, dollies). It is when someone decides to fish that coral patch or lump your on, and generally they will be heading in 1 direction and decide to alter course to see what your doing.
fishy fingers
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I agree but as I said if
I agree but as I said if they stay a decent way off no problenm
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Andy Mac
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Ownership
Whenever I travel to a spot out wide and from a long way off see a pot on it or another boat fishing close to it I will avoid it completely on the assumption that the other boat may not actually be right on my spot and me fishing it might give it away. Instead I move well away to another spot, then if I desparately want to fish that mark I come back later after the boat or pot has gone. I can't see the point in drifting so close to another boat unless you are fishing with a mate and you are following eachother across a new lump.
What really pisses me off is the guys that set up a drift 100m or more away directly in line with your spot but over baron ground with the sole aim of eventually forcing the boat that is drifting a lump to get out of the way. That has happened too many times to mention.
Take the time to explore and accumulate lots of spots in each area and you will never have the dilema of having to fish next to another boat.
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mike79
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well thats it
problem being is that i was at anchor and i had done years of travelling around to find this spot. for someone who was drifting around about 1 km away then as soon as i hook up to fish he came screaming in with in five meters of me. drop kick came to mind. he did cop abuse but it was water of the ducks back. i only hope he doesnt realise how to actually fish the spot and get nothing. I honestly thought he was out getting the tuna that were jumping around the area. Also if someone gives me a mark to try then ill go give it a go but if they show up wanting to fish it then ill move off the mark and let them go first. (thanx jimbo by the way two nice snapper and a kg yesterday) i dont own the ocean but have spent many hours, money and doen the hard yards to find my spots. how bout they try doin that. or get chummey with someone who has some spots to show them what they are looking for.
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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B line annoys me!
Agree that we dont own the ocean BUT a "direct B line" to my vessel or anyone else for that matter is purely to PING ya spot.....now that annoys me!
Only recently i had a guy recognise me and said to his mates "he's Ryan FWA we'll follow him". I left the ramp first and knew they would follow so i went to baron grounds (normal) and just sat there getting set up and got rigs made etc, i wasn't organised that day so it took a while. The guys and his mates just looked at me whilst i'm getting ready and they're waisting plenty of time just waitng!
They realised i was onto them, he took off to deep water and thought id stay in that area and fish my good grounds when he left. What i did was run north for a mile or two and watched him 30 mins later "gun" it back to that spot and look for me (hehehe), he found me a few miles away and guns it too me again....i repeated the same thing all over again until he got the idea.....i had fun watching how desperate people are. He finally left for good and then i got stuck into the fish....hehehe TOOL
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fishy fingers
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You all have valid points
You all have valid points but how is one to get spots if he dosent look around, you cant tell someone he shouldn't mark a spot if your on it, or would you tell him to come back some other time when your not there. I just cant understand how people can be so protective of their fishing locations. as I said earlier if you dont interfere with those already on a given spot and give plenty of room I sure wouldn't get upset if someone on the same drift if they arrived after me picked up a good fish when i didn't it would be the luck of the draw imo or is there any arbitary spacing when your anchored or drifting over a certain area. I've been given areas to look but without coordinates and if someone is there I'm not going to not mark it.
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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looking around!
I dont mind people looking around but when they're gunning it some where (not looking) then they see someone and then they go straight to their spot that's not ethical imo.
I tell people to buy a good colour sounder ie Furuno etc, learn how to use (ideally the shop guys should help).......spend as much time out there looking for grounds and yes that'll mean less fishing but that's how i accumilated all my spots. I've now racked up plenty of co-ords so if someone is on or near my grounds i'll go to another spot which often is near by........that's the key imo!
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bouttime
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Its not that i am annoyed
Its not that i am annoyed that they came up on our spot its the fact that the parked so close and it became dangerous to the point we had to pull lines and reverse the boat to avoid being hit by them. In a 110mtrs of water its a pain in the bum.
Who has right of way, a boat that has been on drift or anchor in the one spot or a 50ft boat who parks up and expects you to move on.
I realy dont care if someone wants to ping my spot or fish where i am fishing but when it comes to safety its a different matter. If i was on my boat a few words would have been exchanged.
As for the situation in cockburn sound thats just stupidity. I saw some photos from last year and when i was out there a few months ago. I am suprised there wasn't more incidents on the water.
Sorry Andy but i didn't hear you on the radio. Mate has a 350 chev inboard and i gets a bit noisy when the motors running.
Andy Mac
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Spot theft
The point about not being able to tell someone not to mark your spot when you are on it is true, but my point is it should never get to that stage. Etiquette should be to leave people alone and go find another spot. Its like finding a hot chick at a night club and having her actually talk to you, only to have the hot stud Brad Pitt lookalike come over and steal her from you. There is nothing you can do about it but it would piss you off considerably.
If I keep getting people "B Line" me I might have to take the fishwrecked sticker off the side of the boat.
I certainly can sympathise with Ryan as he would be one of the most recognisable fisho's in WA and would cop a heap of that sort of crap from lazy fishermen that can't be bothered spending the time on the water to get the results for themselves.
I will always give people as much help as I can but spots are something you should "earn", not something you "take".
Sorry mate but that is why I am so protective of my spots, because it took a lot of time and effort to find them for myself. JMHO.
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Salmo
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Pinging pots
How many of you guys have pinged pro cray pots
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Come on own up to it.....we have all done it.
Dont you think someone might have done the same thing as well.
Most of the reef out to 40m has been pretty much picked over for the last 30 years...GPS has given every body "a secret spot"....
Im not sure there are to many to be quiet honest.....I myself have been suprised to find boats anchored up on drop offs and stuff I have found/identified on sea charts back at home.
I do get a bit pizzed off myself at times if someone pulls up within 25m "for a chat".....
When I saw this post I thought some thing else
How was the ramp rage
and the jetski crew pushing in at the retreival lanes has been some what amusing
mike79
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ok fair enough
but try this i been fishing this spot last five years on and off only ever another boat around for miles. Very small lump that i stumbled across. i been travelling around the area looking for any other lumps and havnet really picked anything around for at leats 5km. there are very few boats around and ussually the same boats time and time again. never seen a cray pot on this ground. and yes i have gone a pinged some pots
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Absolutley agree with you
Absolutley agree with you Salmo I think you hit the nail on the head............I've got quite a few spots myself that way.
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Andy Mac
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Pot Pinging
Not quite as intrusive as pinging a spot while someone else is fishing it.
I do unto others as I would like done to myself, so I stay clear.
Speaking of ramp rage, you should have seen the poor bloke at Mindarie yesterday, he had his big glass boat sideways in the ramp slamming back and forth as he couldn't work out how to dock properly. More like ramp embarassment.
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Tim
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Funny
Was funny to watch Andy but he didnt think so. Had his 24 footer turned sideways between the marina wall and finger jetty.
Had a chat to him while you got the car. Was pretty much his first time out as he had just bought it. To say he was embarassed is an understatement.
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Salmo
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Rescue
Coming in at 11.00pm we noticed sea rescue pulling up to their pen.....after dragging a big 9m glass pointy boatinto th ramp....was a huge trailer boat, heap of mums and kids on board
Anyway after a chat with the relieved crew we confirmed it was sea rescue we saw heading out....they ended up letting two flares off "because we were worried they couldnt see us"....
We must have only been 3kms away and didnt notice a thing
Re distance between vessels....its 25m of any anchored vessel, 50m if its got a dive flag up....including Charter boats.
NOHA
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With the present boom the
With the present boom the amount of new boat owners is a an all time high. The amount of boats you see far offshore now is way more than even 5 years ago.
Its all to common now to have someone set up on the same drift as you as they are newbies and cannot find their own ground/fish yet.
I had a guy follow me last time I was out. To shake him I went to the top of SW Bank. His eyes must of lit up when he saw the size of the lump and he stayed there. Then I could go back to my marks and catch some fish.
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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bare
Yeh Andy, my boats called "whiteshadow".....ca-ching! I dont speak to people at ramps "prior to leaving" no stickers at all and ask the crew to tell people nothing when thye say "where you guys going" and i have no rods on display also. That works for me and yes i'm always looking around for an approaching vessel. Like you and many others here, we've worked hard for these spots and wanna protect. Yes i've pinged craypots also (despite my family having crayboats where i can get all their co-ords if i want) i've got all my spots doing it the hard way. Fishing heaps and a bulls$it amount of co-ord reconnaisance so yeh wont let my spots go that easily!
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