END OF AN ERA HAYWAY MARINE ARE CLOSING DOWN
Submitted by strike_zone on Mon, 2011-10-31 09:27
sad to see one of perths longest running dealerships is closing its doors as of march 2012 its gunna be a more common occurance unless we support our local dealers people !!!!!!!!!!!!
till
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Ahh least no one will make
Ahh least no one will make the mistake of shopping there accidentally.
Most of the people don't shop there already know why. I received some very rdinary pricing and service when I owned a merc, and as a result puchased elsewhere.
Tony Halliday
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one of four on the ropes at
one of four on the ropes at the moment, we can see another two not making it past Christmas and another one consolidating down to one branch down south only.
Boom time for boat sales have gone and the highs of the last 10 years are over... ( very sad, but the joys of economics and a strong Aussie dollar with cheap imports from USA and Asia now in the market).
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
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Tony Halliday
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I have been fishing around
I have been fishing around for prices on a new tender and motor, yet these dealers than are said to be " battling" still come up with prices well above the East Coast Aussie prices.
In fact I can't seem to fathom how some one on the east coast can sell me a tender and motor for less than a local???
Where are our business's going wrong.
ps very first boat I bought was a tinny with a 5hp Suzie on it from Hayway, and later found out they made 100% on the trade in value they gave some old bloke and on what they sold it to me for back in 2004!
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
strike_zone
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have you ever heard of freight
get with it mate there are many hidden costs that you dont see that have to be passed on of course the prices are a bit cheaper in the east thats because its where the bulk of the frieght comes into australia and of course your paying 100% mark up on a tinny over what the previous owner traded it for theres not exactly much money it to keep a company going unless your doing 100 plus a week that dont happen just remember no profit no business no business no place for you to buy what you want unless you like to sit in front of a computer desk all day
Tony Halliday
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I'm fully aware of what you
I'm fully aware of what you saying mate, but bottom line is when does a premium local price become unecconomical?
ps as for the tinnie, I was told I was paying their trade in cost, that why I bitched. cause a year later I bumped into the old owner at the ramp at Maylands, and he told me what they gave him as a trade in on his nice new shinny bigger allie boat!!!
As for the bulk deals, well just have a look around how containers are coming in, East coast or West coast it's still a full load either way... and when you doing business out of an industrial park, the rents much lower too.
Not here for a bun-fight mate, just pointing out why business is not flowing through the doors.
In tough times we all tighten our belts, be it the buyer, the seller or the supplier. But I wonder how many suppliers have lowered their prices with a 1:1 dollar exchange on imported goods etc???
I know of stuff coming in now 40% cheaper than it was in 2007, yet the cost has risen by more than 15% every year on that marine item...
. How does a business have a 25% effective increase per year over 4 years, yet still cry poor???? or do we in Australia just rape the public market till it is soo p!ssed off it goes somewhere else...???
here some little things for you to consider:
1. I was looking for a repair agent to do some work on my tender. total time to rebuild a tender would be two days max!
material would be under $100, labour would be 16 hrs at @$50 an hour (max) for the worker = $900 + mark up of business at 40% = $1260.
New Price of tender $1450! something does not gell here!
2. price to rebuild leg of mercuiser in WA = $4500 with labour and all. Imported cost of a recon leg and get a boat mechanic to fit leg, $2850.
thats just in the last week what I have found!
bottom line is the boom market when every one was cash flush and spent like no tomorrow is gone.
Dealers, importers and resellers all need to review their costs, that includes wages, rent and mark ups.
this goes for all tradies in be it building house, boats or working on what evers...
the days of being a tradesman with a ticket and 2 years out from an apprenticeship and living the life of Royals is over and gone.
People expecting to get new utes ( oh not bottom of the range, but your Thunders, XR6's and Landcruiser V8's etc..) the big fancy house with all the trims, flat screens as large as Ace Cinema's, etc... where never sustainable dreams, just a boom for a period.
but loads are chocking on going back to what their dads and grandads had to do and live with in their days....
an over heated ecconomy like ours with hyper inflation wages, housing beyond the costs of the people, food three times the cost of the rest of the world etc... has come home to bite us...
And awhole generation of people under 35 who can't remember what hard times are, are going to be shocked back to planet earth soon...
( and I'll bet ten cases of beer on that too.... with in three years we going to see a paradime shift in earnings and expectations as the last of the boom projects finish off and no new ones come into the market.)
Ask any Kiwi working here why he is away from home??? not for our great climate, fishing and lovely night life????.... Cause back home he can't earn the dollars he can here....next we going to be the migrant labout force going out into the world selling our hard work and trade skills.
( my rant over)
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
maka_84
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i heard a roumor that hayway
i heard a roumor that hayway work shop is still goin to trade just as a workshop not sales and a retail shop
uncleben
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Genesis Craft mustn't be too
Genesis Craft mustn't be too happy about this news.
Perhaps it's the reason Genesis craft was sold recently.
Billcollector
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Genesis would be better off
Genesis would be better off going it by themselves and cut out the middle man.
quindieselbrad
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get your act together
im talkin bout the big guns who own several brands of tin boats
maybe, just maybe more and more ppl are pissed off with the poor quality build of boats, mainly aluminium hulls, since most of the big names were bought out by an even bigger company. since this started happening, the quality assurance has gone out the freakn window and leaving a lot of new boat buyers with a problem money pit. i wont menton brands but i can assure u that i will be buying a quality fibreglass hull next time, proly something like a haynes hunter because even tho they may be high priced, they have not failed to bring a better stronger dartier model with more fruit and refinements yr after yr.
But coz some of our best quality boats cost so much, i feel this has to be why usa is becoming the place to buy quality for a gd dollar.
a few of our ali brands failed misserably in the usa market due to poor quality build and lack of fitout etc
ive noticed less tin boats in yards than wot there used to be and 1 yard even told me they werent happy with the warranty and build issues, their lack of willingness to fix a manufacturers fault so the yard stopped selling that brand...
as the public become more aware of these brands that are crap, im sure more and more yards will unfortunitely fall down beacause of the brands we all used to trust have gone to shit.......
i feel sorry for hayway marine and i wish them all the best, brad
Catchn dhuies off the smell of an oily rag :)
uncleben
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I think you are on the money
I think you are on the money there Brad
GenesisCraft
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False
In reply to your opinion Brad,
If you wish to speak to any Genesis Customer I'm sure they will all tell you the quality of a Genesis Hull has increased 10 fold in the last decade. The technology available these days makes life alot easier for companies like Genesis to produce a good product. Any warranty issue we have ever had has always been resolved as quickly and easily as possible.
Taking a walk through the competition yards at this years boat show I can honestly say our main competition in Coraline and Chivers Marine are producing even better finishes than the old days as well. In regards to the American boats being better built you couldn't be further from the truth I'm afraid. I would like to suggest you go and speak to a couple of yards about their Aluminium imports. The ones I have spoken to are trying to get rid of them because of all the warranty issues they come over with and, of course, because they are from overseas it then leaves the customer in the dark to get repairs done.... with no warranty, at a builder/repairer that doesn't know the hull. Had a friend buy a $100+ ski boat straight from the states last month. When corrosion started happening on his skii tower he called the dealer over there and said the salts is wrecking my boat only to be told "don't take it in salt water then"
I for one hate to see locals bagging out locals and if you want to go spend countless dollars on a previously mentioned glass boat I just want to know this..... how many hulls do they sell a year?
Cheers
Genesis Craft Management
Billcollector
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Well said. I was more than
Well said. I was more than happy with my previous genesis and would have bought another one if it wasn't for the dealings with Hayway 2nd time around.
dodgy
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How many new hulls? I'm not
How many new hulls? I'm not sure. I'm still fishing from an original 70's model 17r. The same hull you can still buy from haines today. They are not cheap boats and only really appeal to those that have owned a few boats before and know what they are after. Premium products attact premium prices.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
benno208
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heaps of buisnesses are
heaps of buisnesses are closing down nearby hayway marine cause the government is extending great eastern highway..
fisho-ron
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i heard from a freind in the
i heard from a freind in the know, that the owners have just had enough and its time to move on!!
its a shame as brendon has done all the mech work on our new etec and was always a pleasure to deal with....where to now???
i hope someone out there will be as easy to deal with.
shame...shame...shame....sorry to see you go guys!
wagyl
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Sad to see Hayway go
Often people treat you the way you treat them, be nice to a dealer you might just get a pleasant surprise.
Isn't it amazing how people expect a retailer not to make a profit on the things they sell. They should do it for love and if they want to feed their family, pay the rent, meet the car payments and occasionally go fishing, perhaps they should get an honest job on the mines. They have no right to expect a reasonable return for a days work, nor any compensation for the risk of running your own business or outlay of millions of dollars of capital. Lets just stick the boots into anyone we buy something off, even if they don't even make the product but just sell it. And then, if they are let down by the manufacturer or have a customer claiming warranty on a product they have abused, just pay for it themselves.
Get real you guys, there are many happy customers of Hayway Marine and the other boat dealers, and I am one of them. If I buy a second hand boat, it is cheaper because it is used and there is more risk. Simple. The boating industry is stuffed, mainly by the big companies. Take boat motors - look at Edsmarinestore in the US and look at motor prices - why are they 50% more here? More profit for the Australian arm of the US company, the retailer is LUCKY to make 5% markup. They haven't dropped their prices even though the Aussie dollar buys twice as much. Thats why you can't get a warranty on a motor bought overseas. (Sounds like Lowrance, doesn't it).
Our manufacturers such as Genesis build superb bloody boats, but are expensive compared to what you can buy from the US, where wages and cost of living is lower and the Aussie dollar buys so much. Why do you think your fishing tackle, equipment, line, rods, reels etc are so much cheaper in the US. Its not the retailers, its the manufacturers that determine cost price. Try and import Asic shoes into Australia from US online - they protect their Aussie market rigorously.
I have bought 2 Genesis from Hayway, and owned 8 other boats from various dealers in my lifetime.
SORRY TO SEE YOU GO HAYWAY, CHEERS TO ALL THE GUYS OUT THERE AND THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP IN THE PAST AND THANKS FOR GOING THE EXTRA MILE.
Bodie
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as stated by someone else, it
as stated by someone else, it was a forced move / closure because of the widening of the great estern fwy.
Rod P
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That's not true. They did
That's not true. They did lose a portion of the yard but it wasn't as much as you'd need worry about. The land was however re-located as multiple story area so the value of the property jumped a huge amount. So no longer sore the value in running a dealership and has sold up property and shuting shop. If they had wanted to they could have stayed no hassle.
For me i see it as a huge shame. Hayway have been here for ever and are and were a bench mark for the Marine industry. I think they will be missed.
Bodie
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On that note, is it possible
On that note, is it possible they were offered enough money to sell up the land (if they owned it).
Might be the case that it was financially a better decision given the value of the land?
strike_zone
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thats false
the yard was only losing about 3m of frontage and 95% is behind that the highway aint going to be that wide
Cammos
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Never good to see a business
Never good to see a business close. Its why when I find a good supplier of anything I always tell them to make sure their making some dollars, its cheaper and easier to pay more and be sure their good service will always be there.
Tony Halliday
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Cammos' spot one good
Cammos' spot one good service and good products are worth the dollar.
I bought stuff on Sunday from a local dealer we all know, needed a few screws and some bait, paid more than I'd pay at Bunnings up the road, but it was worth the service and support of a good dealer.
My point is when you paying top dollar and getting no service that makes you WANT to come back to a store. The ones that thing they doing you a favour by selling you something.
I'm all for a good buisness making a fair profit! and thats the word FAIR profit.
JMO
Tony
ps I have had several of my own business in the past, both service, hospitality and consumer deliverables, I know how demanding the paying public can be and also how easy it is to GIVE A GOOD SERVICE WITH A SMILE!
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
nico
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The marine industry is done
The marine industry is done and dusted it will be a while before it booms again boaties are funny fellow expect a bargain and still want more at the end of the day as mentioned by strike zone dealers repairers have over heads they are in the game to make money. You dont build a business by making friends.
\Boats are a luxuary item so the maintenance cost will be high regardless of what work you require if you can do the majority your self it can be quite a cheap past time.If a lot of people sat down and did the sums on overheads to run,maintain a boat it is not cheap by any means.I think the way the industry is going it will clean out a lot more of the dealers repairers and builders and the size of this industry will be more realistic for the boating population of Australia.To many people think there is alot of money to be made in boats well it is pretty obvious this is not the case.Sad to see another dealer on the way out.
In Mocean
Tony Halliday
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We all know BOAT = Bring
We all know BOAT = Bring Out Another Thousand
the old rule of thumb was 10% of the purchase cost per year in maintenance and upkeep. These days it can be closer to 15~20% on some more high tech boats.
I grew up with dads building 18 foot Hartley designed wooden ( marine ply) boats in our garages and saving a year for a motor ( back in late 70's). Today we all want to go out and just buy!
Those that follow the articles in F&B magazine will know what Peter has been saying there for a long time, that the move to restoring boats yourself and building your own tub is on the way back as the dollars get tight.
This industry we hell for bananas faster in size than a hurricane and many many dealers, builders and suppliers + one off importers all climbed into the barrel.
A few dealers built huge new premises and bough into luxury industrial complex’s far above the over heads they could have handled before the boom times and now it's biting back.
Fishing and Boating for pleasure / leisure and even commercial venture will still go on a few consolidated dealers will survive and come through, but many one of manufacturers in Henderson etc will go by the way side and so will some big brands that had just got to expensive and over complacent with the market.
the story of business and the story seldom changes, only the names & places...
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
Saulty2
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hey Tony
nice to see ur still posting away , u need to spend more time on the water
is that Barra still eluding u LOL Frank from old days F/WA
nico
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In Mocean
maka_84
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heard a roumor that hayway
heard a roumor that hayway marine workshop was staying open just as a work shop not sales and retailshop
Tomcat
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Bussines
To stay in busines word off mouth is the most important part I dealt with them and would not recommend to anyone
Saulty2
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i have a Genesis
have been and still happy with the boat , dealt with hayway for near on 7 years have noticed the changes , but what has kept me going back is Barry & after him Brendon , and on the sales side Max , their is a lot more to this story and personally i think the owners son didnt want to run it /work there presume ! dad lost interest . IMO one of their biggest mistake wasThat they were over staffed & was dealing with Trailit
strike_zone
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so it was word from your mouth that put them out of business
you must of been a hard person to deal with
Redfin Wrangler
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Tomcat
what shop you goto?
"No life is so happy and so pleasant as the life of the well-govern'd angler."
Tomcat
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First time
No have have not told anyone the reason and will not be telling you just said I would not recommend them which is my choice
wagyl
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They are closing
so it is irrelevant, but I would recommend them.
tonyb
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Hayway
Brendon is starting his own workshop so if you have been happy with his service then support his new business, I will be.
Tony