Ganged Hooks & wire leaders
Submitted by dunkyboy on Wed, 2011-05-04 12:42
hi
I have only recently started fishing with ganged hooks and am using them for tailor fishing, I went to buy some today and noticed the shop had some which were joined together with swivels, can anyone tell me what the advantages / disadvantages of using this type of gangs are ?
I got bitten off three times on Sunday night and am considering using wire leaders, I was using a 60lb mono leader, I have read on a few internet sites that using wire leaders can really put the tailor off the bite, can anyone advise me on whats best to use for tailor ?
thanks
Dunc
crasny1
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I would
Just stick with normal gangs for tailor. The swivel adds price for little advantage.
As for the wire hardly ever need it in metro, but as soon as you head to greenback country where they will swallow the whole bait it might be an option. I would and have increased the strenght of the leader near the hook, so that you have a short section of 80 or 100lb, then the main leader of 40lb. However most off the time with gangs the tailor "tail" the mulie, and get hooked on the bottom or middle gang, and I find hardly ever has metro tailor size caused me to be bitten off.
Started off using single strand wire yrs ago, didnt seem to spook them that much, but for convenience switched to flouro. I think 10X has a tougher outside coatting making it a little more bite resistant than other fluoros, and especially mono's.
Hope this help.
Neels
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madfishoholic
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I stay away from steel trace,
I stay away from steel trace, I fish for Tailor but more so Mulloway from the beaches and in the river as Muloloway they seem to shy away from the steel trace.
I used to use gangs ranging from 4/0 to 6/0 hooks. Ideal when used for tailor cos of less chance being bitten off but sharks that take the whole bait will keep your hooks if you dont use a steel trace.
Now I use 3 5/0 hooks snooded together with 100lb leader line for both mulie and live baits.
But still manage to get bitten off from time to time.
As far as the swivels go I never use them on a gang. To me IMOP thought it was just some thing else to buy and cost you more money. And also some thing else that may break.
I try to keep it simple, practicle and effective.
Maybe some who has used those ganged hooks with swivels could give more feed back
Cheers
Dunc
I dont need counselling just a bigger boat
UncutTriggerInWA
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I have tried everything
The swivel idea doesn't win me over at all. It reduces the chance of a hookup and the baits get very ragged. Cransy has the right idea. linked gangs with 3-4 hooks (5 hooks for Gar baits) depending on the bait size. I generally stick with 5/0 Tarpons because they are sharp and strong. I also prefer to put a smaller hook at the end of the gang. It could be a 3/0 or a 4/0 again depending on the situation.
I don't like the idea of steel traces either. I always use 80lb fluro and I really can't remember being bitten off for quite some time. Mind you I haven't had a bite for some time either
Kalbarri next month will be the tester.
Vince.
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grantarctic1
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Sounds like you got sharked
Good advise from the guy's there. I too only use mono trace as you get more chance of mulloway.
The only time i use wire is when i keep getting bitten off, change to wire then have some fun with a nice shark or two.
I also make my own gangs in different sizes with Tarpon hooks. They dont tend to straighten as much.
Cheers Grant.
Leemo
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i have never caught a tailor
i have never caught a tailor using a wire trace. i use 5/0 gangs mostly. rarely get bitten off using 60lb leader. only once have i been. and that was by a huge brute at club capricorn one afternoon. easily a couple of kilo's. my rig is really simple.
main line to swivel. swviel to 60lb leader. leader to gang of 5/0s. i do sometimes go down to 4/0s, but it all depends on your baitsize. as uncut said, 5 for Gars etc.
bludgin' since 94'
Likc
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I must say that at least 2/3
I must say that at least 2/3 of fish gets caught on the treble hook at the end of the gang. Without the treble hook I find the hookup rate much lower when fishing for tailor.
UncutTriggerInWA
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Good point
In days gone by I used trebles but I have gone away from that now and prefer to use a smaller Tarpon at the end of the gang. That works just as well and lands a lot of larger Herring. My tackle box is much simpler with a box of 3/4 and 5 Tarpons and a set of pliers. My thinking is that the swivel attachment used for a treble reduces the number of hooks on the gang by one and I found it hard to find Mullies that fitted. Sounds silly I know but with gangs I can add or delete a hook depending on the size of the bait.
Each to their own of course
Vince.
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Leemo
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a few reasons as to why i
a few reasons as to why i dont use trebles -
1) when im reef fishing, they always seem to get snagged on the reef.
2) there a bitch to get out of the mouth of an angry tailor whilst standing waistdeep sometimes in water.
3) they catch a lot of smaller fish. ie, herring instead of the tailor.
4) in my experience, they cause a lot of damage to the fish, especially the smaller ones.
id much prefer to use 4 hooks - three 5/0s and maybe a 3/0 or 4/0 on the end.
just my thoughts.
bludgin' since 94'
grantarctic1
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Have to agree
Have to agree with Leemo , I used to use a treble on gangs many years ago, but with tighter bag limits etc it makes catch and reliese alot harder to do without harm to the fish.
The only time i use them now is balloon fishing for mackies at steep point.
As the other guys said , i find a smaller hook as the last hook in the gang works better anyway. ( IMO )
aussie_breamer
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tailor
Personally I don't believe that you need any more than a 40lb leader.
on the weekend, fishing arround very heavy reef, I still only used a 20lb Jinkai leader.
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/metro-tailor-sesh
cheers,
tom
bream slayer
Leemo
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yeah. for me, its more of an
yeah. for me, its more of an insurance decision. the 60lb i use is very thin diameter anyway.
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flangies
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20lb on hardbodies, 30-40 on
20lb on hardbodies, 30-40 on plastics aa they tend to inhale the whole plastic and have the leader in the mouth. I don't think tailor are fussy anyway.
Nelly
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I tailor fish more than most
I tailor fish more than most so my 2c.I use mono most of the time usually around 60-80lb will get more hits than wire but expect to get chewed off occasionally..(lost count of how many times 80lb has been shredded on winter jumbos)As for hooks try to get the chemically sharpened gangs,if something so much as looks at them there usually hooked.As others said a smaller hook at the end of the gang can also work well especially if its chemically sharpended aswell...
Leemo
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yeah nelly. chemically
yeah nelly. chemically sharpened to help haha. i like to make my own when i can, i find they last longer and have more mobility than bought ones.
bludgin' since 94'
till
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Didn't Nick Hocking rig all
Didn't Nick Hocking rig all regulars, with a chem assist on the end? The idea being everything in front of the last hook is just for holding the bait in place anyhow.
UncutTriggerInWA
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Who is Nick Hocking?
Nice idea except flawed. Tailor in particular will smash a bait. They don't cue up at the rear for a go. I may be a bit sloppy with my gear in general but I have this belief in a perfectly presented bait with maximum potential for a hookup regardless of where the hit is.
I do however agree that the gang needs to be such that it provides for very strong bait retention. with that in mind I also use cotton to secure the bait. This was my original issue with swivels in gangs.
Vince.
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aussie_breamer
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Nick
Nick Hocking is th old Fishing Western Australia TV show reporter.
and a legend. lol
bream slayer
UncutTriggerInWA
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Thanks mate LOL
I thought as much.
My legend is Robson Green. He knows about as much as the rest of the presenters but with less retoric about how to do things according to the sponsors. After receiving my first fishing rod 47 years ago I am a relic and not a legend. I haven't died yettttttttt LOL
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Nelly
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In my experience baitcasting
In my experience baitcasting gardies for jumbo's majority of the time they hit side on smashing them directly in the middle,The amount of times i have had gardies come back smashed in half is crazy.I now use chemicals right throught and it has helped a bit.Was using vmc ganging hooks or the old favourite mustad 4200dd before the chemicals,Maybe hitting them with a file to get them a bit sharper before hand might help.