why must it include a prayer?

If you are so clever as you say you are, why give out advice to everyone, and do something yourself, weather we are educated to high school education or not, it is   none of y9our god dam business and i am spelling this wrong just to piss you off, you are an ameba on fly feouses, do yu know what that is, that is the smalles t piece of crap possible. 

We are passionate about our fishing, not about nit picking people errors, why not use your time more productivly and do your own petition, otherwise, stop criticising others, i am sure there are things i know about that you know nothing about, and i could wipe the floor with you.l

grow up

all he is trying to say is that the submissions that do not meet the criteria WILL be ignored as the government has strict criteria as to what they will consider. yes it is pedantic but nothing will happen if our voices arent even considered.

i swear a hell of a lot, but when it comes to correspondence with these types of bureaucrats language must be toned down, and must also be formalised and well structured for your thoughts to be considered.

there is not mention of how educated anybody is, and who cares...we are all not happy with the goverment changes to fisheries regulations so why not actually create feedback that the penpushers in DoF will actually consider.

ok...lets be nice  :)

gumby, i dont know why, but thats the facts mate, and its missing silly little things like this, which will make it useless..... have a read of the link!!!

 onto joe, the firey one

 firstly joe, did you read the link??? because if you did, you would see that it was posted to assist you. so it would seem not

i wasnt rude in this thread to anybody, just pointing out the facts. hell if you want to waste your time, and everybody else's time..keep doing what your doing.

at no time have i said "how clever i am".

as for what i am doing, thats laughable! i am reading the facts buddy...not living in dreamland like some. and when i have the facts, i will be writting my own letter for the minister to read.  ( if you like i can post it up for you to use after   )

tell me, how many papers have you read on the matter?? and i bet i could put money on you doing nothing the last few times rec fishers have had a chance to have their say... ie the proposals the last government put forward last year..and the others before that.

to me, it seems your jumping on the band wagon, starting yet another petition ... maybe trying to make yourself look good?? ( which wont count for jack squat! because you wont pull your head out your own arse)   who knows.

 as for wiping the floor with your knowledge...mate i wouldnt wipe my arse with your "petition", its a embarrasment to rec fisho's and something i wouldnt want anything to do with.

sorry if this offends anybody else, but jeez...isnt a petition about being heard? and if its not done right...IT WONT GET A LOOK IN !!!  why waste your time and effort if you dont get it right???

I am not sure I ever followed any rules or offered a prayer when I voiced my opinion to local polititians etc. Showing some respect like as in "with respect Minister" your a fuggin idiot. Shame on you! LOL. The odd egg has worked well at times also. Seriously though, public comment happens before outrageous decisions are made. Public outcry happens in all shapes and forms and from all parts of society in differing ways. I don't really give a rats about protocol because I don't really think that after a decision has been made, a process exists that will change things other than humiliation.

offroad fisher



Great informative first post in this thread. Keep up the good work. Some people appreciate it.



Anyone else



The anti recreational fishing people just love it when recreational fishermen argue amongst themselves over trivial details and waste their time and energy fighting each other instead of dealing with the real problems.



FACT:-



If petitions are going to be read by Parliament, they have made rules that petitions MUST be in a format that the Parliament will accept.



If people don't put petitions in the right format they are just wasting everyone's time, and they are misleading the people who sign, because their signature and comments will be thrown away by Parliament.



Damn reality, why can't it cooperate and be what people want it to be?.



TerryF

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Beavering away in the background.......

"If petitions are going to be read by Parliament, they have made rules that petitions MUST be in a format that the Parliament will accept."

This is so true.  If you do not follow the format, it will simply get thrown in the bin. 

I work for a company which has similar rules for new job applications.  Doesn't matter if you are Bill Gates or if you've worked for the company for 15yrs, if you do not follow their set job app format, it will be rejected.

Got to jump through the hoops if you're not the person in charge cracking the whip!

Thanks terry, at least you see i am trying to show the correct way of doing things so people are not only wasteing their time, but the time of others as well....

Joe,

 firstly, you sir, are a liar. at no point have i said you are a high school drop out. show me the place where.PROOVE IT !!!   i havent directly called you any names at all...

secondly, yes, as you put it you do have the right to be heard, as does averybody. all i have tried to do, is SHOW YOU HOW TO BE HEARD!  wake up mate...i aint agaisnt you, or any other petition going around... i am trying to make sure your efforts, are noticed, NOT WASTED AS IN THEIR CURRENT FORMS THEY WILL BE!

so it would seem that currently, you are living in dreamland as you put it, because you cant wake up and see the facts written infront of you!!!

GROW UP JOE, READ THE DAMN FACTS MATE

(ps, thanks for the prayer    guess i am going to heaven now

are a waste of time and effort - the horse has bolted. And for all the hoohaa about voting out Labour and getting the Libs in, fat lot of good that did if you thought they'd be a softer touch. And if come election time you vote Labour back in, do you think things will change? Not a chance. Our fish stocks are declining and something needs to happen. Too many years of nothing and eventually the system was gonna need a knee jerk change - and welcome to the knee jerk, it has arrived.

And for the record, I'd be embarassed to have my name associated with pretty much every petition I have read here on FW, and I assume I am not alone on that point. 

One hundred and eighty dollars for 12 months of fishing pleasure is a bargain.

Toughen up princessess and get over it.

never heard so many whinges in my life.

Boys, i read this with interest.  They were talking about doing this in england and it came to nothing in the end.  Our fish stocks have been decimated by over fishing in trawlers us, spanish, french and whoever else.  You need something to change to ensure the future of stocks and species.  every time i've been over to OZ i have been impreseed by the quality of the fishing and the way it has been organised.  I hope that the right choice is made as it would be a shame to lose such a good resoiurce for locals and travellers alike.  I look forward to my trips abroad!  If the money is put to the proper use then it cant be a bad thing can it?  I pay through the teeth for fishing freshwater lakes in the uk and if the lake is good then the money is worth it.  i dont know all the ins and outs of your situation but it seems to me it needs careful thought.  Sorry for getting involved as its not really my argument.  Looking forward to meeting some of you in a few weeks.!!

Sadly we are just catching up to the rest of the world. 

We have decimated our fish stocks, so the government is stepping in by collecting revenue from fishermen to sustain what fish stocks we have left.

We had it too good for too long, and too many bad apples and mismanagement have ruined it for future generations.

i find it disappointing to see that adam gallash's comment has been removed. not only that, but my reply and question to him has also been removed. so again adam, i ask you, where do you stand in all of this? it is quiet strange that a owner of a fishing website hasnt made any comment on such a contraversial matter.

Adam probably does have a point of view, so leave it with him.

Sounds like you are into harassing people.

Give him the privacy that you would deserve mate.

thats a fair enough comment stoinka.

 however, after seeing adam basically saying something like we dont help ourselves, and posting how many hits from fisheries the site made in the last 5 minute period, i simply replied that at least they knew they had stirred the honey pot. i then asked where he stood on the matter , and said i found it curious he hadnt made any other comment expect for that one.

for that to be deleted is piss weak...end of story, as it would seem he likes to make comments, then pretend he didnt make them by removing any eveidence.

As a Fisheries employee Adam rarely comments on these types of threads. Its not because he is being "piss weak" its for a very good reason. 

Any comment made was probably to keep the thread on track whilst the other slack moderators were watching the cricket , rather than to state any personal view. Once achieved it was deleted...no biggie.

I suggest you bait elsewhere offroad fisher, as you won;t get a bite from Adam.

ok andy, thats no problem. i assume you removed the content then? either way, if a pm had been sent simply stateing it had been removed, it would have been nice, as i thought i was loosing my mind! lol. did i post it? yes i did! lol. was looking forward to see a answer to the question.

and for the record, i dont want " bites".  i was curious to where he stood on the matter. end of story.

zone from Eucla to the NT border. I object to giving the grasping buggers more money that will in all probibility not end up where they say it will but will pay it as at the end of the day i won't have a choice other than risking a fine. The problem i see is that in a year or two they will introduce exclusion zones before any research is even started.