Jabby Jab
If we are going to post comments about Covid or vaccines, then maybe it should (again) have it's own forum/thread instead of junking up the fishing proposals thread.
The decreased Case Fatality Rates (CFR) over the years is clearly due to the less deadly strains of Covid and less to do with vaccines.
Any analysis of the data that includes dates, variant, cases, death, vaccinated status numbers clearly shows this.
The unvaccinated CFR's have also dropped from those early days of the Alpha Variant of 3%+ to now be below 0.5% (due to Omicron variants being less fatal)
If the vaccines are so effective, why are people still not queuing up for their boosters that they require at least every 6 months to be effective?
The simple answer is because the mandates are no longer forcing/coercing people to get jabbed against their will.
At the start of 2022, there was a period when Australia was averaging over 250,000 doses a day.
We are now down below 20,000 doses a day.
It appears that now people are allowed to make their own informed consent decisions about whether to get doses/boosters or not, they are choosing not to.
To me that either says people do not believe the boosters are effective enough to justify another shot or they only got those shots earlier because they were pressured to do so.
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BlueKiaser
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Is ashame
Our beliefs is all it is and I try hard to remind myself and others that what I post is my beliefs.
I will refer to evidence, stats, quotes, links, etc... in an attempt to quantify my beliefs.
I become more opinionated on matters relating to the mainstream media as that frustrates me.
But it is ashame that you were not comfortable to continue to provide some of your experience about Polio.
I found your anecdotal reports of Polio some of the most thought challenging content in this forum.
In any case, good health to you and my apologies for any disrespect you may have felt from myself.
Billcollector
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Well said John this has
Da pirate
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This is ..
This is big brother the old boy
has spoken ... lol .. cheers
pirate ..
Jackfrost80
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One size doesn't fit all
So to close this all up you are advocating for the removal of the Polio vaccine from the vaccine schedule as it has been eradicated in Australia through widespread use of said vaccine. Following this hypothetical removal and if polio were to become a pandemic or even an epidemic in Australia, you would only support educating the public and offering the vaccine on a voluntary basis… although the polio vaccine is already voluntary? You also state that Polio as a disease, is not very contagious unless prevalent in an environment of poor sanitation/sewerage/running water and that alternative treatments like Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Zinc, losing weight, reducing hypertension are sufficient in fighting communicable disease in the place of a vaccine?
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BlueKiaser
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Complicating in search of strawman
Very little of your post contains what I think.
It's very simple. If there is no disease present or risk in the foreseeable future, I see no benefit in a vaccine eg. SmallPox.
We have had no risk from Polio for 50 years now, vaccinated or unvaccinated.
In the previous discussion I did say I would no longer respond to such trivial dialogue.
So on this particular topic, no more from me ... go for your life with your response ... and good effort with the "BlueFührer" which is fair given I often refer to the Covid-19 jabs as Josef Mengele Juice.
Jackfrost80
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"Very little of your post
"Very little of your post contains what I think."
LOL, it is all directly copy and pasted from your posts in this thread.
If there was ever an epitome of 'white privilage' you'd find no better example than the anti-vax movement. Whoops my bad... I mean the pro-choice movement
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Moondog
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Ol Jackie boy has gone from
Ol Jackie boy has gone from asbestos to white privilege in a covid debate! It's almost like you have nothing to argue about so you ask Siri what should I say next?
Billcollector
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You evidently have never
You evidently have never been to the pilbara or Kimberley Frosty.... If you had you would know about the unlimited waste of money spent providing these services to our indigenous population only to have them destroy the houses and facilities provided to them, and threaten the good people that provide them with unlimited health care to the extent they won't work there. Anyway I will leave you two to keep up the dribble.
Jackfrost80
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I said they live in squalid,
I said they live in squalid, overcrowded accommodation and nothing about whether it was of their own making. It still doesn’t mean that young children should unnecessarily be exposed to severe and avoidable communicable diseases. I’ll stand corrected but I feel pretty safe in assuming that the majority of remote communities aren’t on a sewer line and I know that even in big towns that access to fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is difficult at best and expensive.
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uncle
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Switch over time
Maybe they need more welcome to country work, $800 to preform one apparently
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No apparently about it Unc.
No apparently about it Unc. That's if your booking turns up
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sea-kem
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Very good mate of mine works
Very good mate of mine works for a mine right up north in the desert. He takes them out when a new mining area is being earmarked, they usually sit in the car and nod he says. Some are drunk when they fly in so are sent home immediately.
Oh and $850 per visit, good coin for F'all.
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uncle
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Bloke on the radio today
Said he had to go to a 3 day presentation in Victoria, over the 3 days he heard it about 40 times, then when he boarded the plane. He reakon it was overkill and you just switch off
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uncle
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I'm waiting for the good folk in wa
To want to stop all forms of mining because of our footprint all around the world
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sea-kem
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The hypocrisy of Dale Alcock
The hypocrisy of Dale Alcock is staggering Unc.
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Jackfrost80
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I've heard that Cheryl who
I've heard that Cheryl who sells healing crystals at the Freo markets will be the club's marquee sponsor for 2024.
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What did Dale say Andy? I've
What did Dale say Andy? I've been out of the loop for about 3 weeks.
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BlueKiaser
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Agenda 2030
It is just more of the Agenda 2030 being pushed down our throats.
Agenda 2030 is all about their favourite keyword "sustainability".
We now have AFL clubs with Sustainability focus groups and players involved.
(From Jul '22; www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/1177358/anchoring-a-sustainable-future )
Do you really think that lots of players from several teams all coincedentally at the same time became concerned about our environment, leading to the current media attention?
Players and stakeholders in very large companies will be able to absorb the influences of Agenda 2030 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs).
So it will be advantageous for them to show they are leaders in this area.
Agenda 2030 is designed to hurt the small players and business owners with further environmental rules, regulations, taxes, charges and fines.
Just like we are currently seeing with our new Fishing proposals justified by having to get our fishing stocks to "sustainable" levels by 2030.
Jackfrost80
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I reckon you should start a
I reckon you should start a new thread on this
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BlueKiaser
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Agenda 2030 relates to the jabs
Much of what happened with Covid-19 and the jabs aligns with Agenda 2030.
And if I started an Agenda 2030 forum I would likely be the only contributor to it.
Jackfrost80
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Funny that
Might be time to take a hint?
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BlueKiaser
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I'll be judge of that
We are both in a forum I created which is the most popular forum from the last 3 weeks.
sea-kem
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You mean controversial.
You mean controversial.
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BlueKiaser
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No I mean popular
A forum can be both popular and controversial.
The popularity of a forum can be easily mesured by the number of posts.
How controversial it is, is more of a subjective view.
Often it is the case where I post an objective statement and you respond with something subjective.
sea-kem
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Thanks for the
Thanks for the education.....
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Moondog
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Isn't it a laugh when the
Isn't it a laugh when the person that claims it is insanity to comment on BK's posts, comments the most? What are you doing sea-kem? Are you insane?
sea-kem
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Yawwwwwwwwwwn BK's little
Yawwwwwwwwwwn
BK's little lap dog strikes again, you're a lightweight champ.
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Moondog
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Haha you are insane by your
Haha you are insane by your own definition! The next comment will likely be from jackfrost and something he has typed into Siri!
marble
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And if I started an Agenda
And if I started an Agenda 2030 forum I would likely be the only contributor to it. Maybe becasue its a fantasy??
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BlueKiaser
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Fantasy???
What do you mean fantasy? ... I do hope that you haven't been conned in to thinking Agenda 2030 is just a conspiracy theory.
The very first search hit I get from typing in Australia Agenda 2030 is a government website;
www.dfat.gov.au/aid/topics/development-issues/2030-agenda-sustainable-development
Once again people, please do some research.
uncle
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It's under
Sponsorship and sport
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BlueKiaser
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NSW Unvaccinated 0 hospitalised last fortnight
The latest NSW Weekly Surveillance Report shows for the past fortnight as at 15th October, 2022, there were 211 patients with Covid-19 hospitalised and 17 went to ICU ... none of them were unvaccinated (reported vaccination status of "no dose"). About 14% of NSW remains unvaccinated against Covid-19.
stricko
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My experience with covid is
My experience with covid is i thought it all sounded to much like bullshit forcing people to getting injected with a untested vacine by threating there lively hoods because the government were suddenly concerned about my health yeah right .anyhow i managed to keep my job and not get vacinated for some at my work it was to late as they had it done for fear of losing their job before we found a loophle in the local government rules
End of the day I've had covid was sick for one night and a headache for a few days have to sat I've had worse hangovers and nearly 50 percent of my workmates had worse reactions to the jabs than covid itself not many keen to get a fourth or booster shots.
Moondog
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Well done for sticking it
Well done for sticking it out. It's funny that it was government mandated but there were loopholes! The state daddy did really well forcing people to get it and then making the workplace not the government liable if there were adverse reactions
BlueKiaser
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Who is getting another shot
Out of curiosity, is anybody here planning on getting another jab in the next 3 months as recommended by our Health department?
I only ask because of the current extremely low numbers of WA people getting doses (about 800/day, our peak was about 43,000/day).
You need to go all the way back to the first week of the vaccines in Feb '21 to find a time that WA people were getting fewer Covid-19 jabs than they are now.
Moondog
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It will all be ok BK. Pfizer
It will all be ok BK. Pfizer have now teamed up with marvel to make a special comic book to get people to have there boosters! The avengers will beat covid by getting a jab that doesn't work! Ask Albert bourla the Pfizer CEO about stopping transmission.
Jackfrost80
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Out of curiosity what do you
Out of curiosity what do you do for a living?
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jighead
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Funny
I put a post up not long ago with some nice winter crabs. Not a reply. This shit goes off. Mmmm
little johnny
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Yep
. Agree .
Da pirate
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Second .
Second that Johnny 211 .. on the 3rd of this
month. Now 266 .. that's a lot of effort.
Hopefully that east chills beach tomorrow
I got a date with a toothy! Cheers pirate
BlueKiaser
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So no more jabs
So virtually nobody here is keen to say they are going to get another shot in the next 3 months.
(Disclaimer: an early poster stated they plan to get their 4th jab next month after waiting 3 months after their covid infection, so there is at least 1).
It's only fair if I also ask who plans on not getting a jab in the next 3 months.
I do not plan on getting a Covid jab in the next 3 months, so we have 1 yes and 1 no so far.
The purpose of this question/poll/survey is curiosity.
When I have posted any data that does not reflect positively for the Covid-19 vaccines, I have often received negative responses.
it is therefore logical for me to assume that those posters believe the Covid-19 jabs are effective and safe, therefore I would expect they intend on getting another jab in the recommended (by our Federal Health department) 3 months.
If you do still believe the vaccines are safe and effective but are not going to get another shot within 3 months, then I am keen to hear why.
Obviously there are reasonable explanations as to why as mentioned above with the 4th jab participant waiting for 3 months after Covid-19.
marble
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maybe everyone is sick of
maybe everyone is sick of your rantings ?
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Billcollector
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I think the fact nobody
I think the fact nobody replied speaks a lot about the level of caring about this thread. Time to can it I reckon.
still trying
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Im going to buy a roll of
Im going to buy a roll of that microwave crispy pastry roll I read statistics that said it was three times more effective than tin foil .
rather be fishing
uncle
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Dont look now numbers are
rising again
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Billcollector
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Who cares....
Who cares....
BlueKiaser
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Just more Media propaganda
A WA news report yesterday (Friday 21st October) with the following headline "COVID-19: WA records biggest jump in new coronavirus infections in almost a month" and included the following;
( source: www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/covid-19-wa-records-biggest-jump-in-new-coronavirus-infections-in-almost-a-month--c-8618684 )
"Western Australia has recorded its biggest jump in new COVID infections in almost a month.
The Department of Health announced 4931 new cases in its weekly update on Friday, the highest number of new infections since September 23.
“Sadly, this week’s report to 4pm yesterday includes 3 deaths, aged from 71 to 89 years, dating back to September 14, reported to WA Health in the last week,” the Department said in a statement."
...
Meanwhile, this is what the real world data tells us;
(source: covidlive.com.au which gets it's data from WA Health and other Australian Health departments)
For Western Australia, the average Cases per day for the last week is 696.
Last week it was 691 and the week before that it was 647 (which was the lowest since Feb '22).
Our maximum cases was back in May '22 with a daily average above 15,000.
So, that article is another great example of inaccurate fear mongering propaganda.
The biggest jump in almost a month was not even this week (5), it was last week (44) ... virtually nothing when compared to our worst periods like May.
Average Deaths per day for the last week are at their lowest daily average since Mar '22.
Vaccinations are at an average of 777 per day, the lowest was 3 weeks ago at 775 which was the lowest since Feb '21.
Our maximum vaccinations were back in Jan '22 with a daily average about 40,000.
My guess is the PerthNow article is a belated attempt to try to put some unfounded fear back in to people to get them to jabby jab again.
Jackfrost80
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Stay tuned BK. I'll update
Stay tuned BK. I'll update you with my med record in a bit of you're keen?
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BlueKiaser
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news survey
news.com.au currently have some online survey questions about Covid-19.
( source: www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/covid-poll-a-pulse-check-of-australia-as-we-exit-the-pandemic/news-story/cb910eb5525d0dd24ca38ff5a6240822 )
One is "How do you feel about your vaccine decision?". There has currently been 48,514 votes.
34% I'm vaccinated and would make the same decision again.
38% I'm unvaccinated and would make the same decision again.
28% I'm vaccinated and regret the decision.
0% I'm unvaccinated and regret the decision.
I guess that helps explain why people aren't queueing up for their 3 month boosters.
And 68% voted our leaders were too heavy handed.
Jackfrost80
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I loe how you quote MSM
I love how you quote MSM whenever it suits you? Let’s break those figures down a bit.
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BlueKiaser
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Good Stuff
Good to see some critical thinking being done when looking at those stats.
I have responded previously about using mainstream media ... I use it because it should carry more weight here.
This is why I mostly use data from AusVaxSafety, Health Departments, etc ...
While I do not trust any of those to provide accurate unbiased data, if I were to use data or articles from my many alternative sites, it would be quickly dismissed ... because this is what people who put faith in official narratives are taught to do (eg. mainstream media factcheckers ran and owned by globalists).
Regarding the unvaxxed having some organised agenda, I can say what I know is, I did see this survey discussed in the two social platform places (other than here) where I go for Covid-19 discussions (Telegram and another private chat with less than 40 people). Those numbers do not quantify some organised agenda (certainly not when compared to the organised agenda we have seen pushing the vaccines).
But what I would conceded and agree on, is the anti-mandate and so called antivaxxers would still care more about this topic and hence become more engaged in a survey.
What I mean by that is, I believe the vast majority of the vaccinated population are basically over the Covid-19 pandemic, given the lack of numbers stil getting their recommeded jabs.
This data further confirms my beliefs that people take comfort with majority mob mentality. While Covid-19 headlines were telling them how important the jabs were, they put their faith in the system and the mob, and they marched in goose-step, now that they are no longer exposed to the daily propaganda telling them to care, they don't, and with virtually no mandates, vaccine hesitancy returns.
And regarding those stats and your analysis, yes the results obviously show anti-vaxxers were more engaged, but the results still tell us plenty.
0% unvaccinated with no regrets - we were told the unvaccinated would get seriously ill. Why are there not people who were unvaxxed, who got ill and therefore regretted not getting jabbed?
28% vaccinated with regrets - almost half of those vaccinated who participated in the survey had regrets (again supported by the lack of people still getting jabs).
about 70% government were way too heavy handed - which clearly supports the large anti-mandate beliefs of the public.
I look forward to any other Covid-19/vaccine polls or surveys that allow the Australian public to participant in, but for now, this is the only one I have recently seen.
Jackfrost80
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Not so much critical thinking
Not so much critical thinking as pointing out that by quoting those stats you are either a complete moron or deliberately using invalid data to push your agenda.... possibly both.
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BlueKiaser
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Booster time yet?
I posted the details of that survey and then made a comment about how it helps explain why people are no longer queueing up for their 3 month boosters.
You attempted to use the vaccination percentages of the population to try to dismiss the damning results from that survey.
But all that does is tell us that the people that voted were over-represented by the unvaccinated.
Clearly it wasn't all unvaccinated because there was a heap of vaccinated people who regretted their decision ... which supported my comment.
Twelve months ago, the Covid-19/jab forum in here had heaps of people proudly talking about getting their shots ... now we hear crickets.
Why is that?
When are you getting your next recommended shot that they tell you is safe and effective?
Aren't you concerned that your spike protein levels might be getting low?
marble
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Your just happy that you
Your just happy that you have an outlet for your rantings. . . . Didnt I read somewhere you where banging on that this thread has the most responses ? Thats all its about really . . . Attention seeking
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sea-kem
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Because it's not flu season
Because it's not flu season bud. Surely you can work that simple concept out, when has flu ever been prevalent over summer?
Come late autumn yep I'll be lining up for a flu jab and if it's recommended I'll get a Covid jab too, no doubt it will have mutated by then.
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BlueKiaser
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Covid-19 jabs
I'm talking about Covid-19 jabs, not vaccines in general.
Covid-19 jabs are recommended 3 months after your last, regardless of flu season.
Shark1
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YAwn going to bed on this
YAwn going to bed on this one now, no reason to report covid if i have it - cant even claim time off from the seperate "covid leave" (albo u bastard) cause they took it away - its now only treated like flu
work says put in sick leave, it aint no more special covid leave - sounds like a blues song, however they forced me to have a jab to keep my job, if there was a god..... maybe i should jsut rock up on project with it - and try my best to spread it (stay away from Barrow ;p)
does it means its ran its course - ? its only gonna mutate the ms says, she got some medical training/ so its virus , so is the flu, how did that go for u this winter, ye the kids brought it home didnt they
Willlo
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You hear crickets because
You hear crickets because most have had enough of the subject mate and are happy to move on. Ive had 4 shots , never had an adverse reaction , never had covid . Work in an industry that was mandated but now isnt. Know of people that ended up in hospital very crook with covid , know of a few who died. Also know of a few that had adverse reaction to the jab . End
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BlueKiaser
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when to blame and when to move on
I see posts by people on the topic, talking about the topic saying people have had enough talking about the topic.
I see people respond to a person who has not been jabbed and not had covid, talk about how they have been jabbed and not had covid.
I see people claim to know of people who have died, when 720 out of a population of 2.5m in WA have reportedly died ... which is 1 reported Covid death per >3,400 people ... I do not know 3,400 people and so am not surprised that I know nobody who has died from Covid.
I do know of people who have had adverse reactions to the Covid-19 jabs ... none of those people are unvaccinated.
I also recall posters blaming the unvaccinated for the mandates and closed borders.
Even after our most vulnerable were already mostly vaccinated.
While we now have about half of the people recommended to get their next dose, have not done so.
So the question remains, was the consequences of the mandates and closed borders the fault of the unvaccinated or those who imposed the mandates and closed borders?
marble
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Bla Bla Bla
Bla Bla Bla
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anypuddle
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It's an interesting topic
It's an interesting topic that is not going to go away. I think we can all see there is aspects of the debate that havnt been fully explained.
Why are some people so keen to shut the discussion down?
Anywhere anytime
little johnny
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Polony interesting topic also
Pretty sure everyone has had a gut full of Covid . Papers , radio, tv ect . Is what it is .
Billcollector
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Can anyone recommend a good
Can anyone recommend a good polony recipe.
BlueKiaser
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Big Pharma big money
More and more data is being made available showing that these emergency use vaccines are not as safe as was marketed.
Big Pharma and government health departments around the world are trying to hide this data.
They do not want an open discord on the topic.
And without discussion and questions asked and concerns raised, Big Pharma will continue to push these fast tracked untested products on us.
NSW is currently trialling mRNA jabs on cattle and claim;
( source: https://www.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/nsw-fast-tracks-fmd-vaccine )
"This type of vaccine technology may not require the longer testing and approval processes required for conventional vaccine development and importation as it does not use animal products".
So now the precedence has been set with the Covid jabs we are going to forget about proper testing ... what did the Pfizer Executive recently say when asked if they knew if the jabs prevented transmission ... "we had to move with the speed of science".
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What a thread...3 fkn pages
What a thread...3 fkn pages of shit dribble, blokes in his element.
Cant believe Adam lets this ride..
Jackfrost80
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if only Pdiddy was around to
if only Pdiddy was around to administer a jab or three
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sea-kem
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That would be gold
That would be gold
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I tried
I've tried not to read it, now I have im not sure if I feel smarter or dumber for doing so.
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Billcollector
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Probably just baffled it's
Probably just baffled it's gone on for so long.
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And its under the fishing
And its under the fishing dicussion section Brock.
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BlueKiaser
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1984
Sooner or later the mob eventually calls on cancel culture to bring them comfort from the wrong-thinker.
As I have said previously, I appreciate the mostly civil discord in this forum, while it lasts.
A study from the last month showing how effective natural immunity from prior infections are;
( source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2796893 )
As summarised in a news article discussing the results;
"Prior infection was associated with an 86.5% estimated effectiveness against reinfection, 96.2% against hospitalization and 94.5% against death after four months, dropping to 75.8%, 95.2% and 94.4% after eight months and 62.2%, 91% and 89.5% after 12 months."
Which begs the question why would anybody bother getting a jab after Covid-19?
marble
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so many numbers. . . so
so many numbers. . . so little fact . . you proved in the demersal ban thread that maths isnt your strong point . . . ResEaRch seems to be .
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BlueKiaser
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care to elaborate
And what maths did I get wrong ... do you care to share?
I welcome anybody to show where my numbers or data is not accurate.
With the amount of statistical evidence I have provided on this site recently, I expect to get something wrong occassionally.
Regarding the demersal ban discussions, I do recall making a comment about no 2030 being mentioned in fisheries reports prior to 2021 and then being shown a Dec 2019 report in which it was mentioned, which led me to correct myself to no 2030 being mentioned prior to 2019.
What else was there? ... I also apologised and corrected myself in here to sea-kem when I wrongly stated he said oil prices had risen due to Covid (when he had said inflation had risen due to covid).
So, please fire away and I will again acknowledge if my maths or numbers (or comments) appear to be wrong.
Jackfrost80
Posts: 8143
Date Joined: 07/05/12
You claimed that that 38% of
You claimed that that 38% of people were unvaccinated and didn't regret their decision yet Australian Heath Dept data stats a vax rate of 97.2%.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
I claimed no such thing
I clearly presented the results from a news.com.au survey and then made a comment of how it supports my theory that people are choosing not to get their recommended shots.
Nowhere did I claim what you now say I did and to suggest so is simply desperation on your part.
And I was well aware of the current vaccination rates in Australia ... do you actually think you educated me about the vaccination rates.
I'm pretty sure even prior to that survey post, you will find I had included current vaccination percentages in Australia (or NSW) on other topics.
Jackfrost80
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Date Joined: 07/05/12
No worries Dustin enjoy your
No worries Dustin enjoy your life jumping at shadows
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
COASTALJOY
Posts: 79
Date Joined: 11/05/12
Good on you BK
Its good to see differences of opinions and differing infofmation on this subject. Like all information sometimes you have to read between the lines to make your own decisions.
I made my decision before the vaccines came out,
I have not had any covid shots, I had so many people telling me when it came out I should get it to protect my parents and others.My industry said get it or you cant go to sites, still went. I have never had a flu shot either.
Keep up the research and posts, I actually appreciate it.
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Jim
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Date Joined: 05/05/06
Seems like some people on
Seems like some people on here are offended by a different point of view.
I think its great!
Bend over
marble
Posts: 775
Date Joined: 03/09/09
Some who think that youtube
Some who think that youtube is a fountain of knowledge too
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uncle
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Date Joined: 10/02/07
There has to be
robust discussion even on american politics. About to ramp up in the near future ha ha
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Brock O
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Date Joined: 11/01/08
I'm guessing Trump
I'm guessing Trump supporter..
BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
Trump more support than Biden
Trump currently leads Biden in polls and approval ratings (for this time of presidency).
Personally, I'm not a fan of what Trump did with the Covid-19 vaccines.
But clearly in my mind he did far better things for both the US and us when compared to the alternatives.
Most obviously is my disgust for Globalists and how they cause interference in the running of countries affairs.
Trump is basically a Nationalist (despised by the globalists and establishment).
Ukraine War and the current energy/oil crisis would likely not exist under Trump's presidency.
Does anybody still actually believe the Russia, Russia, Russia propaganda ... that alone should be enough to tell you just how much affect the Globalist propaganda has on your ability to rationally digest news.
Is this about the time sea-kem again produces his Fake News stories about Trump and bleach???
And I have too respond with examples of real Biden Gaffes far worse that did not even get any air time ... like his ability to read numbers "Six thousand, three hundred and forty four thousand, seven hundred" ... only a day or two ago, another Biden gaffe calling Kamala Harris the President.
So maybe it's best for us (in here at least) to just stick to this topic of Covid-19 and the jabs ... but if anybody wants to create another forum??? ... it will no doubt be popular.
sea-kem
Posts: 14970
Date Joined: 30/11/09
Fake news, I wonder which
Fake news, I wonder which plonker coined that phrase.
All of your comment above is just your opinion and you're welcome to it, load of crap and malarky in mine.
Anyone with a logical thinking brain sees through your constant dribble of conspiracy, if anything it's entertaining.
Love the West!
BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
Trump stole it
I do believe Trump copied the term "Fake News" off anti-Trumpers like Hillary Clinton (who used it during Pizzagate late 2016) and some left leaning news sites, but then in typical Trump fashion, he claimed it as his own and flipped it back on them ... but who really knows.
In any case, the Trump Bleach article is still a great example of Fake News and propaganda.
The funny thing about conspiracies is how they often become accepted fact ... so was it ever a conspiracy or were you just convinced to believe so.
What is you favourite conspiracy that you believe I have dribbled about so far?
Are you game enough to say, given in time it may become accepted fact?
dodgy
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Date Joined: 01/02/10
The Trump bleach 'incident'
The Trump bleach 'incident' was actually based on some science though.
I believe he would of been briefed on different potential treatments and preventatives, one of which was oral disinfectant.
Of course the bloke is a complete idiot and blurted out what he did and the media got some hysterics to run with. Some are still getting mileage.
The use of UV radiation was also raised. 'Let's shoot light into the body'. Close but not quite.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
Devil is in the detail
Trump never said bleach.
He only said disinfectant.
The media then said bleach and then wrote articles based on their use of the word during questions.
There was also new UV light work being done at the time by a NASDAQ listed medical-device company called Aytu Bioscience (Healight).
When the media first made a big deal about what Trump had said, you could still go to their YouTube channel and see demonstration videos of how Healight worked by being inserted down the trachea. I was posting about this at the time on another social platform.
But as soon as that started to get more widely reported YouTube removed the video and then Twitter suspended the company's account.
Here is an article about Aytu Bioscience;
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/26/pharmaceutical-firm-aytu-bioscience-testing-uv-lig/
This is the type of propaganda and censoring that the globalists are constantly doing that the average person has no idea about.
I don't blame people for not being aware of it, but at least open your eyes when it is being shown to you.
crasny1
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Date Joined: 16/10/08
Sure is entertaining
But in the end natural selection will work. Darwin award anyone?
"I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact!!" _ Elon Musk
BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
Darwin award sponsored by Pfizer
I'm not sure if the guy is dead yet, but ...
nypost.com/2021/12/11/man-takes-10-covid-vaccine-shots-in-single-day/
Da pirate
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Date Joined: 03/05/15
Addiciitd .
Why am I hook on checking this thread .
vaccines and all that blah blah blah ..
Fark give me right winds Friday night !
just no seaweed please ... it's all I ask .
cheers pirate ..
little johnny
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Date Joined: 04/12/11
Unbelievable
Amount of crap .only going to get worse ( while ban on)