Jabby Jab
If we are going to post comments about Covid or vaccines, then maybe it should (again) have it's own forum/thread instead of junking up the fishing proposals thread.
The decreased Case Fatality Rates (CFR) over the years is clearly due to the less deadly strains of Covid and less to do with vaccines.
Any analysis of the data that includes dates, variant, cases, death, vaccinated status numbers clearly shows this.
The unvaccinated CFR's have also dropped from those early days of the Alpha Variant of 3%+ to now be below 0.5% (due to Omicron variants being less fatal)
If the vaccines are so effective, why are people still not queuing up for their boosters that they require at least every 6 months to be effective?
The simple answer is because the mandates are no longer forcing/coercing people to get jabbed against their will.
At the start of 2022, there was a period when Australia was averaging over 250,000 doses a day.
We are now down below 20,000 doses a day.
It appears that now people are allowed to make their own informed consent decisions about whether to get doses/boosters or not, they are choosing not to.
To me that either says people do not believe the boosters are effective enough to justify another shot or they only got those shots earlier because they were pressured to do so.
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Moondog
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Only just got back from work
Only just got back from work that has some really poor reception to have a look at this. People are still having a crack at bluekaiser for his opinion. You would think a forum was all about people posting opinions then people countering those opinions with other facts. This thread was about covid jabs and a few blokes have started getting carried away by trying to get blue kaiser deleted, calling him insane or to change what is getting talked about to make someone look silly. The only blokes here that are looking really, really silly are those that keep coming back and posting about asbestos, flat earth, white privelege, 9/11. Why do all these people keep coming back and commenting if they are in such disagreement? Go have a cup of tea, chill out and leave the thread alone! Maybe start another one
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Sorry mate. Didn't realise
Sorry mate. Didn't realise the thread was a soapbox monologue.
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sea-kem
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Onya Two dogs,Don't cry for
Onya Two dogs,
Don't cry for him
Ole BK has got exactly what he wanted from us on this thread to the point of La Petite Mort.
I'm sure he's enjoyed himself with no threat of cancellation.
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No tears here mate. You 2
No tears here mate. You 2 keep leaving then end up stewing on something and come back everytime to make yourselves look even more silly. Do people really use the term mansplaining?
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LOL
LOL
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BlueKiaser
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US Military Whistleblower data
Recent reports have shown evidence that the US Military have been attempting to cover up their own data of dramatic increases in medical conditions since the introduction of the Covid-19 vaccines.
Below is an extract from a letter sent by US Senator Ron Johnson to the Department of Defence detailing some of the evidence presented by the Whistleblowers;
"Based on data from the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED), Renz reported that these whistleblowers found a significant increase in registered diagnoses on DMED for miscarriages, cancer, and many other medical conditions in 2021 compared to a five-year average from 2016-2020. For example, at the roundtable Renz stated that registered diagnoses for neurological issues increased 10 times from a five-year average of 82,000 to 863,000 in 2021. There were also increases in registered diagnoses in 2021 for the following medical conditions:
Jackfrost80
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Wow sounds horrific. Let's
Wow sounds horrific. Let's break this down and think about this objectively.
The internet tells me that the data includes only US defence personnel and the US FDA approved the first vaccine being Pfizer in August 2021. Another article tells me that 98% of defence personnel got a shot by the due date of 2 Nov 2021 or be dismissed.
Are you saying that the Covid jabs caused forms of breast and testicular cancer, diseases that can remain undetected for years, that were so aggressively that the patient self detected it and had it diagnosed in two to four months from getting a shot Aug to Nov?
How does one discover they are infertile with a two to four month period? How much time did they spend at home trying if on active duty?
MS can take up to 15 years to manifest let alone two to four months.
I won't even bother with the rest...
A data error sounds like a more likely scenario to me.
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BlueKiaser
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Yes, you are correct
Yes, you are correct when you say a data error sounds like a more likely scenario ... your data error.
The Department of Defence (DoD) began their vaccine programs in Dec '20.
By early Apr '21 the DoD had administered 2.1m doses.
By Aug '21 more than three quarters had at least one dose and over two thirds were fully vaccinated.
Jackfrost80
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Make it 8-12 months for all
Make it 8-12 months for all the above conditions then and my comment still applies. exactly the same.
Going from no MS to being diagnosed with MS within 8-12 months? Testicular cancer that grows so aggressively that you are diagnosed within 8-12 months? Being declared infertile within 8-12 months? That's lot of blokes shooting into test tubes in frustration all of a sudden despite presumably spending little time at home being in the defence force and all.
You are refering one unique subset of medical data nowhere near a population level.
Why aren't we seeing similar numbers at a population level in Australia now that we are almost 18 months down the road from the first Covid shots? Let me guess... the guberment is hiding the figures?
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BlueKiaser
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Testicular cancer grows quickly
Your initial argument about the time required for the onset of some of these illnesses needing more than 2 to 4 months had some validity.
It lost that validity once I showed the time could be up to 12 months.
Even 6 months is more than ample time for those illnesses to progress to a point of detection by a Doctor.
A reported cause of MS is from an immune response that can damage the Central Nervous System (by inflammation).
Critics of the Covid-19 vaccines often discuss the possibility of a Cytotoxic response which can cause such inflammation and damage to the CNS.
Health authorities recommend that vaccines should not be given during or within 4-6 weeks of an MS relapse.
Testicular cancer growth rates are quite aggressive and can double in size within 10 to 30 days ... so 8-12 months is obviously plenty of time.
Infertility can happen quickly and the relationship between infertility and vaccines are no strangers (research Kenya 2014 Tetanus shots containing Human Chorionic Gonadotropin).
In regards to why we are not seeing similar numbers elsewhere, yes, authorities are trying to hide the figures.
I regularly see evidence of this and it often takes time and resources to get some of that data disclosed.
For example, (in the US) the Freedom of Information Act requests and multiple lawsuits required by ICAN to have the VSafe data released.
Data which then showed about 8% of the 10m VSafe participant records required medical attention for adverse reactions from the Covid-19 jabs.
Last year the FDA (US) wanted to take 75 years to release Pfizer safety data.
I have evidence that our own AusVaxSafety manipulated data related to the safety of Pfizer's boosters.
The statistics from our TGA website also suggests they have been manipulating their data.
Jackfrost80
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An absolutely laughable
An absolutely laughable clutching at straws that they'd identify and diagnose the sheer volume of diseases contracted in a 12 month period that can take years to manifest. You've said all that was needed on this one to confirm
Looks like it was indeed a data error but of course Bill Gates and Larry Fink had it all covered up with the help of Biden and the UN didn't they?
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BlueKiaser
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Doing some Research ... clap, clap.
Good to see you got there and found Chapter 2 of this story.
After the 3 DoD GPs became whistleblowers (because of the increased vaccine related events they were witnessing), they downloaded the raw data from the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED). They then presented that data to a Senate Investigation. This included accusations that myocarditis records were being removed from the DMED.
This prompted Ron Johnson to send the letter to the Secretary of Defense;
...
"In order to better understand what, if any awareness DoD has about COVID-19 vaccine injuries to service members, I request you provide the following information:
1. Is DoD aware of increases in registered diagnoses of miscarriages, cancer, or other medical conditions in DMED in 2021 compared to a five-year average from 2016-2020? If so, please explain what actions DoD has taken to investigate the root cause for the increases in these diagnoses.
2. Have registered diagnoses of myocarditis in DMED been removed from the database from January 2021 to December 2021? If so, please explain why and when this information was removed and identify who removed it.
Please provide this information as soon as possible but no later than February 15, 2022. Thank you for your attention to this matter."
...
What did the Secretary of Defence and the DoD do ... instead of responding to the Congressman's letter, they took the DMED offline and went to the mainstream media company Politifact & got them to do an article claiming the exact data in question of 2016-2020 had been under-reported.
That is, possibly the premier epidemiological database in the world, used and monitored by all divisions of the US military and the US top healthcare agencies suddenly contained inaccurate data, not for 2021, but for 5 years before and that and had gone unnoticed until 3 whistleblowers paid attention to that data.
Nobody has cared to explain how or why the data supposedly repaired itself for 2021 without any concern or consideration for the previous 5 years of erroneous data.
Further requests by Senator Ron Johnson (ranking member of the Permanent Subcommittee of Investigations) to have the data preserved were simply ignored, totally disrespecting Congressional Oversight.
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Control CControl V
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Bodgy 79
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So bk what makes all your
So bk what makes all your data collected so creditable? You seem to shoot down anybody else on here that's shares data they've read especially when it flows the opposite way to yours.I can see why other platforms give you the boot,your not having a discussion your just pushing your anti vacs scare agendas
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Walter Mitty comes to mind
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BlueKiaser
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Open for discussion
Bodgy, if you think my data is not valid, then you are free to question it and show why.
People can see my posts and others and they are free to make up their own minds (maybe even do some research of their own).
You have no idea why I have been banned on other discussions but I will give one example of a long list;
I was thread banned for reacting with a LOL emoji from the available reactions, to a post by the administrator.
I had not even posted in that discussion thread.
That same website has a warning/infraction system where if you get to 20 points you are permanently banned.
I have been on 0 points for years but keep getting banned from public discussion topics for adminsitrator/moderator reasons not in their rules of use.
I even got a personal Email that if I post any further antivax information on that site I would be permanently banned.
When I pointed out that the Email was wrongly sent to me because it spoke of details relevant to another poster, I was basically told too bad, they were watching my posts aswell.
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First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out — because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me — and there was no one left to speak for me.
Jackfrost80
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If anyone comes for you
If anyone comes for you they'll almost certainly have a straightjacket in hand methinks
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BlueKiaser
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And back to the Ad Hominem
Character attacks and cheap shots.
At least you did attempt to debate the topic for a brief moment ... before returning to a position where you possibly think you have a better chance of scoring a point.
Jackfrost80
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I don't want to score any
I don't want to score any points, I'm highly entertained by your views and 'facts' and want to hear them all.
I met a fella just like you who was a contractor (sign installer) and a Kiwi. I made the mistake of mentioning Jacinda taking NZ down a socialist path in response to something he said and boy did that that open the floodgates.... Amongst other monologue rants he told me (and I will try to get this correct) that Biden who is controlled by the world puppetmasters was destroying the US economy by design which will eventually lead to Trump coming back into power which will lead to war and defeat to the Chinese. China will overthrow the US government and place the Clintons in charge and the American people will become slaves. He also knows everything about the finance system, the RBA rate, crypto etc. The highlight was when we went to leave he comes up and asks me for a jump start because the battery on his piece of shit 1980's ute covered in rust was rooted
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BlueKiaser
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Still point scoring
Do you not realise that in a response in which you claim you do not want to score points you then tell a story about how the highlight was seeing a person with differing beliefs to you, doing worse than you financially. That is point scoring.
It would be like me telling a story about how last week while at the Perth Mint selling some of my gold which I bought for $800/oz, there was two random strangers in the queue behind me talking about how the world was going to sh!t by design. They started off talking about how the WEF was hand picking world leaders and how the US/NATO were provoking Putin (blowing up Nordstream and Crimea bridge) in to a bigger war and how this was being used as an excuse for pushing Oil and Inflation up ...
Then when I went and sold my gold, one of those gentlemen sat at the next counter to my left and went about buying 1kg of gold (about AU$75k worth).
Now, did I tell this story last week to try to score some points. Nope, because I don't need to rely on anecdotal stories to make my point and I certainly do not feel a need to talk about a person doing worse than me financially to make myself feel better.
Jackfrost80
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Wait, wait, wait, wait,
Wait, wait, wait, wait, waaaaait a minute.
So three blokes who believe the government who is handpicked and is out to get and enslave them had some physical gold and take it into an establishment run by the THE GOVERNMENT, filled out all the forms and registered their details and made a legal transaction and presumably paid the relevent capital gains tax to the ATO.
That's your best one yet.... What's next in BK's big book of things that never happened?
The point of my story above was to point out the hilarious conspiracy theory old mate actually believed in enough to tell a complete stranger the first time they meet
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BlueKiaser
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Resume normal transmission
So we are back to personal insults ... they'll come for me with a straight jacket, I'm like some no hoper with a rust bucket ute that won't start, and a liar for telling an alternate anecdotal story like yours.
Meanwhile back in the real world, I was reading today (in our Perth News) about the push for a 5th jab. That should be exciting for those who are fanging for their next hit of Spike Protein.
Jackfrost80
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Either a lier or a complete
Either a lier or a complete hypocrite but yeah you pretty much nailed it. Enjoy sleeping with your night light on while you jump from forum to forum and the rest of your 'Coral Trout'.
Looking forward to hearing about your next (or even a) fishing adventure Walter.
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marble
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Want a personal insult ?
Want a personal insult ? Mate you are a fkn nutter with nothing better to do than spew your bilgeous shit every chance you get just so you can feel important . . . There . . Ive said what plenty think
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BlueKiaser
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Projecting again
But at least now you feel important.
marble
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And I know im sane
And I know im sane
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Bodgy 79
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Bk I've just been sitting on
Bk I've just been sitting on the fence and it just appears that you think all of your info/research is better,correct and more creditable than the next blokes.How do you know all the data you read isn't all bullshit with all them conspiracy's going on? Wouldn't know who to believe would ya?
And I did not say your data was invalid because I don't know
Your the one who blabbed that you keep getting the ass from other forums on this topic,and of coarse it was your fault,and you did nothing wrong.(apart from not following there guidelines and breaking there rules)
And just a question,what's your take on why WA had a much lower mortality rate than the most of the world?
BlueKiaser
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1984 wrong-think
The majority of the social forums that I have been cancelled from was a case of the servers/forums/channels being shutdown, not me individually.
Most often this happened because of external pressure to the website administrator (eg. threats of removing financial payment systems, removing their server/domain hosting, etc...).
On the smaller AFL website they had always allowed full on Conspiracy discussion (in the right forums), until Trump was elected and suddenly, a pro-Trump voice was wrong-think because it was against the idealogy of the site administrator. This led to many people being banned not because of the site rules, but because of their political beliefs.
Then Covid-19 came along and again, the site administrator supported "The Current Thing" and everybody else was a wrong-thinker in their cross-hairs.
Being banned on that site was common for wrong-thinkers and certainly not isolated to just me.
A simple post showing the propaganda in an article produced by George Soros was construed as something anti-semitic resulting in a ban.
I was banned from a Covid-19 thread for proving a couple of GP's wrong with their understanding of how studies calculate vaccine effectiveness (I provided multiple CDC peer reviewed studies proving my position beyond doubt).
So that is that, now on to your question about your suggested WA's much lower mortality rates ...
For the first two years of the Pandemic, Australia did similar to other isolated countries like NZ, Iceland, S.Korea, Phillipines, etc...
From 2022 onwards, with the Omicron variants dominant and over 80% (5yr+) of WA (& Australia) 2 dose vaccinated, our case numbers and deaths dramatically increased.
Over 95% of our Covid-19 case numbers have occurred in 2022 and over 85% of our deaths.
Countries like India who are far more disadvantaged with open borders, densely populated and poorer standards of living have performed better than us (in terms of deaths/million population). They have also allowed and promoted the use of Ivermectin and other treatments (and are much less vaccinated than us). So it is all comparative. Compare WA to the USA and yes, we did great.
Bodgy 79
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So you assume I'm that
So you assume I'm that gullible that you only post numbers and info that you hand pick to try support your own agenda trying to pull the wool over ones eyes.You forgot to add in that load of shit that the wa hard borders came down in march 22 so of coarse the case numbers rapidly rose aswell as did Covid related deaths.And the figures you included about the double dose vacs,are you saying that them jabs contributed to the case numbers and deaths?
BlueKiaser
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In your previous post you
In your previous post you asked "what's your take on why WA had a much lower mortality rate than the most of the world?"
I was unsure what you meant by WA having a lower mortality because I was aware of our numbers that did not really highlight that ... so I showed you some of those numbers.
If you can tell me why you thought that, it may help this discussion.
I'm also not sure why you now mention the date WA's hard borders came down.
Our hard borders came down when they did because they were not working. We had considerable local transmissions of cases in WA for at least 2 months (reaching over 5k new cases in a day).
(NB: Prior to 2022, Victoria was the basket case in terms of poorly performing Australian states, then NSW, but then all the other states and territories in Australia performed similar.)
That is, if Victoria and NSW had have had closed borders, then there would have been no reason for the rest of Australia to have closed borders.
Up until 1/1/2022, just 51 of the 2,239 (2.3%) Covid-19 deaths had come from all states combined other than Vic (68.5%) & NSW (29.6%).
In my last post I tried to show that the majority of WA's Covid-19 cases and deaths (+98%) have happened in 2022.
Australia also rates about middle of the list for countries (ranked by Covid-19 deaths per 1million population), like NZ and those other island nations I mentioned previously.
If you think I am only showing cherry picked numbers to suit my agenda (whatever that may be), then please show me some numbers to support why you say that.
I am mostly guided by numbers, which will often change my beliefs. It is far more difficult for my beliefs to change the numbers.
Bodgy 79
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Do you believe that leaving
Do you believe that leaving the WA boarder's closed until a high vaccination rate was achieved helped stop a lot of Covid related deaths?
sea-kem
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No because he doesn't
No because he doesn't believe in the Jabby jab. That's why he made this triggering post, this bloke's had a field day arguing his responses. As you probbaly notice each one is the length of 'War and peace'.
We had it very easy here with the measures put in place, of coarse people sooked having to wear a mask etc bit better than the alternative.
The whole thing didn't affect me much at all tbh, maybe I'm just a sheep who doesn't question authority or maybe I'm a logical person who can see the simplicity and sense in the decisions made, albeit on the fly. But let's be real the whole world was doing the same. The science behind the vaccines was old school and had been in development for years.
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Bodgy 79
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I agree with all you just
I agree with all you just said and I should stop wasting my time with a nugget stuck in his own bubble.Fuck it,it's knock off time I'm going to the pub
sea-kem
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I'll up you one, heading to
I'll up you one, heading to the Freo beer fest Saturday ;) I'll be a kid in a candy shop.
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Bodgy 79
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That sounds
That sounds alright
yeaugerup beach for me with me young bloke and his 17 yr old mates.should be a laugh
BlueKiaser
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vaccines were NOT old school
The mRNA vaccines had never before been approved for human use.
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Did I mention MRNA?
Did I mention MRNA?
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BlueKiaser
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Possibly lives lost due to lockdowns
As usual, the devil is in the detail and if I am going to say I am guided by numbers, I need to show some in depth analysis of those numbers ...
There is little numerical evidence to support a theory that our lockdown measures followed by vaccinations have had a nett benefit of saving lives.
Australian Excess deaths for 2021 and 2022 (over 15,000) are well above those reported as Covid-19 deaths.
And here are some numbers to help understand WA's Covid-19 deaths better;
We now know that Covid-19 is (comparatively) not that deadly to the young fit and healthy.
The reported numbers tells us that 70+ year olds have accounted for >80% of our Covid-19 deaths (even though 70+ year olds account for about 11% of our population).
By July '21, WA had about 70%+ of our 70+ year olds at least first dose vaccinated and that vaccination rate continued to increase after that date.
If the vaccines worked as marketed and as expected, WA's most vulnerable were already mostly protected by 1st July, '21 (Let's use the 1st August, '21 to be conservative).
So the question now becomes how many lives did the closed borders save WA from the start of the pandemic to 1st August, 2021? (after which point WA's most vulnerable were mostly vaccinated).
Given WA has now had about 714 Covid-19 reported deaths (705 of which occurred after 1/8/21) and given most states and countries deaths have mostly occurred in 2022, we are now discussing whether our closed borders saved at most, how many hundreds of deaths? Any argument that it was above 1,000 simply does not stand up to the numbers around Australia and the broader world.
WA has about 13,000 deaths for 70+ year olds a year, so even if we are talking about 100's of lives saved, it is a tiny fraction of expected deaths in a year.
Reported Covid-19 deaths are also deaths with Covid-19, not from Covid-19, so WA's current 714 deaths is mostly made up of the elderly with multiple comorbidities (avg about 3) who died with Covid-19 so are reported as a Covid-19 death.
I would argue that closed borders and other over the top restrictions and measures has had a Nett negative effect causing more harm than good and that theory is supported by the numbers we now see with excess deaths being reported.
What do you think has caused these excess death numbers?
I have my own beliefs, but I am genuinely interested in what other people think.
Some theories are that the lockdowns meant large numbers of people were not getting their proper medical checkups during that time ... which again supports my theory that our lockdowns could have had a Nett negative effect on lives saved.
For what it is worth, I think lockdowns and over-reactions are required short term while everyone is trying to establish some good information about a virus.
But extended lockdowns as implemented by us in WA (& Australia & many other countries) do more harm than good, but were pushed by Globalists (eg. Imperial College and Doherty Institute).
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Covid Vax Story
Just my story...
Im not anti vax but Im anti Covid vax. I was forced to get the jab to keep my job... Long story short after my 2nd dose I started getting real irratic and scary chest pain. Attended emergency department at hospital and the GP who couldnt find anything so was referred to a Cardioligist. Tried numerour cardioligists and couldnt get in to see one for over 4 months...... Which then I had to get my 3rd dose. Tried going down the path of an excemption but without clinical diagnosis of something I was basically screwed. Got my 3rd dose and after a few weeks chest pain become more frequent and more severe. Finally got into a cardioligist and was diagnosed with Pericarditis and heart mummers. Cardioligist said he isnt allowed to put it in writing that its the vax but it is the vax that has caused it. Actually go back soon for further follow up
I have gotten all other vaccines, tetnus not that long ago, multiple operations had no issues what so ever with any form of medication, vaccination or anesthetic up until being forced to have the vaccine.
Like I said just my story, not going to preach what people should and shouldnt do but I will never be getting another booster or anything for it.
Cheers
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BlueKiaser
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So sorry to hear that
So sorry to thear that Piggy.
Your story is an example of why making general "Public" Health mandates can be so harmful for individuals.
Our Health system is supposed to be there to support each of us individually on our journey to be healthy.
And to then not get the proper medical help you should have been able to promptly get is horrible, regardless of anyone's opinions on the jabs.
I sincerely hope you make a full recovery.
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Common story
Mate
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davewillo
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That sucks mate. Hope you
That sucks mate. Hope you are right soon.
I've had my 3rd jab and then Covid and I think overall it has been the right thing to do, but I accept that for some it has been a bad thing.
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sea-kem
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Hope you well soon mate and
Hope you well soon mate and the treatment you deserve, I absolutely agree there are from time to time adverse reactions from vaccines and pretty well just about any medicine.
There's beers, wine fish and fires waiting for you on that big trip next year, hope to chug a few down with you and you can meet my dodgy crew lol
I know there'll be a couple of other FW crew up there as well as Terry and Nick the guys in the youtube vid.
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Piggy
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Going good
Going good really. Doesnt affect me too much, its like a dull annoying pain that is constantly there. Apart from being worried about it, it doesnt really affect me. I got stress tests, stress echo's all done to check how my heart is performing and all that is all good. So touch wood Im not going to kiel over with a heart attack but the pain is annoying haha
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Wish you well also mate
Wish you well also mate
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I've made my mind up
I've made my mind up Petermac was funnier and more entertaining. And I actually believed some of his stories, especially the sock.
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I think that was all before
I think that was all before my time Andy. I have seen many references to it so I feel like I missed out!
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Yeah Pete was out there, but
Yeah Pete was out there, but bloody harmless.
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petermac was petermacno harm
petermac was petermac
no harm intended, always a good laugh posts
sadly this post is gettin more off topic posts than a thai hooker
Adam can we have an add for a thai hooker
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And he loved a jab or three
And he loved a jab or three
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
Piggy
Posts: 549
Date Joined: 24/08/12
hahaha
The old Petermac right hook
Use to love reading all those comments hahaha
I go boating not fishing
Brock O
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Date Joined: 11/01/08
Dont forget the motor
Dont forget the motor bike...and the dog v Cop ? or am I getting mixed up..
And he won lotto...then bought a boat...but sold it because it didn't fit in the garage.
Jackfrost80
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*he won lotto and bought a
*he won lotto and bought a Trailcraft after telling everyone to 'buy a Bullet Boat from Willie' for years. He then tried to get his garage lifted but sold the boat after hating how it drove and bought prospecting gear.
He was only an AFL scout for Melbourne FC and if you haven't been invited down to Fitzy's FFF for a spar then you haven't been on here long.
Don't forget the undersize Blackarse too
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Gadsy
Posts: 1467
Date Joined: 01/05/10
Old PMac made a good move buying prospecting gear
There's still a bit of gold to be found out there and it's a similar "hobby" to fishing.
You need to find good ground, you spend a lot on good gear, you can find big lunkers and little toddlers (mostly tiddlers), technology is important if you want to increase your chances of a good "haul" and it's great fun!
I call it land fishing
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sea-kem
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Date Joined: 30/11/09
I reckon that's me in the
I reckon that's me in the future Gadsy, love treasure hunting.
Love the West!
Jackfrost80
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Date Joined: 07/05/12
Hook up a trip with Petermac
Hook up a trip with Petermac and take Bk along for a week prospecting mate. The only problem being that Pdiddy is known for administering 3 jabs in quick succession so BK may die of testicular cancer before he has the chance to take his gold to the Perth Mint and register his details with the Govt and pay CGT like a good little drone.
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still trying
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Date Joined: 27/06/17
At last something worth
At last something worth reading on this thread anything to do with Peter Mc is worth a sqiz.
rather be fishing
Rob H
Posts: 5796
Date Joined: 18/01/12
"I've won many arguments
but convinced nobody."
That seems to fit here
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Shark1
Posts: 1086
Date Joined: 21/05/12
who said u won the argument
who said u won the argument ;p
Rob H
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Date Joined: 18/01/12
Not sure if you are aware
Not sure if you are aware but when these are used "---", it is a quotation not a personal statement.
Thats why they are called quotation marks
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Shark1
Posts: 1086
Date Joined: 21/05/12
;p means having a jest
;p means having a jest
BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
0 unjabbed hospitalised again
The latest weekly report from NSW once again shows 0 unvaccinated Hospitalised and 0 ICU for the past fortnight.
For the last 10 weeks of reporting that now makes just 0.14% (4/2,869) of all Hospitalised Covid-19 cases were unvaccinated and 0.74% (2/69) of ICU cases.
Whereas the 4+ dosed accounts for 35% of Covid-19 Hospitalisations and 32% of ICU patients.
(NB: as stated before, the raw numbers are over-reported because I am totalling up weekly reports that show fortnightly numbers).
Again, these are the real world results I keep seeing that do not match up to the Big Pharma marketing or what we read and hear in our mainstream media.
Willlo
Posts: 1490
Date Joined: 07/10/11
The other day i caught a
The other day i caught a fish. ( It didnt have covid and hadnt been jabbed )
Call Sign - BZ785
Haynes Hunter Prowler CC
still trying
Posts: 1051
Date Joined: 27/06/17
You caught a fish what are
You caught a fish what are you doing reporting it ona fishing forum this forum is BKS personal bullshit spreading forum didn't you know he owns the site now.
rather be fishing
BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
NSW had an Unjabbed Covid-19 hospital case
NSW's first no jabbed Covid-19 case in hospital in the last six weeks according to their weekly surveillance reports.
And while they had 1 unjabbed, they also had 353 that had been jabbed.
But again 0 unjabbed Covid-19 patients in ICU, which makes about 7 weeks since the last one.
... while there was 30 jabbed that ended up in ICU as reported this week.
marble
Posts: 775
Date Joined: 03/09/09
So what . Your record of
So what . Your record of reading and spewing back out only what you want to is well known . Maybe give up . . .
PMY 25 Centre Console DF300 Suzuki
Jackfrost80
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Date Joined: 07/05/12
Imagine the outcome for the
Imagine the outcome for the jabbed if they weren't jabbed....
Thankfully epidemiology doesn't deal with raw numbers and I imagine the unjabbed are under-represented in ICU for two reason 1) they are a minute representation of the community 2) their exposure risk is significantly lower because they spent a significant portion of their time on the dunny conducting research on their iPhone
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Bodgy 79
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Date Joined: 04/08/22
Yep thinks he's so good with
Yep thinks he's so good with his numbers but has no idea about ratios meaning the number of people vacs- unvacs. I know a couple of anti vaccers and there still to shit scared to open the front door.quite laughable really
BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
Projecting again
Show some evidence to support your statement about my knowledge of vaccination rates.
Your statement actually shows you are ignorant of the numbers given the NSW official health data on hospitalisations and vaccination rates.
For known vaccination status in NSW Covid-19 cases in the last 10 weeks and current vaccination rates;
Less than 0.2% hospitalised have been unjabbed while the NSW population has >14% unjabbed.
For four or more doses (ie. 20.2% of the NSW population) they account for 46.2% of hospitalisations.
For three or more doses (ie. 53.6% of the NSW population) they account for 78.3% of hospitalisations.
Numbers also clearly show that the majority of responses to my posts in this forum lack supporting evidence relating to the topic about Covid-19 and vaccines.
sea-kem
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Date Joined: 30/11/09
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Love the West!
carnarvonite
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Date Joined: 24/07/07
Said
Enough said Andy
little johnny
Posts: 5359
Date Joined: 04/12/11
No punt intended
There was a guy on internet who had many followers .( anti vax guy ) some great workers I worked with followed him . They all decided to leave an unreal job . The guy who posted all this ended up getting the protein jab . There wasn’t much research in the plague that hit England well before I was born . My grandparents went through bombs / plagues ect . Soon as vaccine came out apparently everyone lined up . Saved millions of lives ,No internet back then . My grandparents / and my wife’s grandparents lived well into their 90s . One hit 99 years old . Technology back then was it better than now ? I don’t think so ( my opinion only) anti vax people are brain washed . Once again my opinion . No one will change b.k opinion. Best of not replying and let thread totally die . Some people are easy to brain washed
BlueKiaser
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Date Joined: 22/04/15
Vitamin D and K
John Campbell produces another informative video about the benefits of cheap available treatments for Covid-19 by looking at some study results relating to Vitamin D. He also discusses his reasons for his personal use of Vitamin D & Vitamin K (at about the 14:30min mark onwards).
Regardless of your views on Covid-19, this may be of some benefit to your health.
youtu.be/MbUm5FyrHRk
marble
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Date Joined: 03/09/09
Wow . another nobody on
Wow . another nobody on youtube
PMY 25 Centre Console DF300 Suzuki
Jackfrost80
Posts: 8143
Date Joined: 07/05/12
Not to mention the importance
Not to mention the importance of dietary vitamin D was established in 1923.... around about the time Henry Ford was publishing that globalists were establishing a new world order.
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BlueKiaser
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Date Joined: 22/04/15
The projecting continues
And who are you?
marble
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Date Joined: 03/09/09
Not feeling the need to ram
Not feeling the need to ram my cospiracy theory crap down everyone elses throats so as I feel important is who I am . You can bang on all you like about projection or whatever childish little label you want to use. Doesnt change the facts that your a nutter . . . .
PMY 25 Centre Console DF300 Suzuki
BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
So Vit D & K are conspiracy theories now
When emotion takes over the ability to be objective, that is when we see such a typical irrational response ... some would describe that as childish ... which again means your post is another example of you projecting.
Do you have anything to discuss about the topic other than the all too familiar Ad Hominems?
Can you tell me what my cosnpiracy theory is that I am supposedly ramming down peoples throats?
You responded to a video about a Dr discussing a study by other scientists on Vitamin D & Vitamin K.
Is this all it now takes for some of you to be triggered in to an angry emotional response?
Maybe some more sunshine and Vitamin D can bring you some benefit;
www.healthline.com/nutrition/depression-and-vitamin-d
Jackfrost80
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Date Joined: 07/05/12
Riiiiight. Ever heard of a
Riiiiight. Ever heard of a little inconvenience called skin cancer?
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BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
Everything in moderation ... including moderation
I believe the recommendation is about 10% sun exposure of what it would normally take for you to start burning.
That should be enough to soak up your daily Vitamin D3 requirements.
What that means in actual time in minutes would depend on skin types, UV ratings, season, skin exposed, sunscreen applied, etc ...
If you do not get outdoors much then supplements may be worth considering.
I think 41% of North Americans population are Vitamin D deficient. For us Aussies, it's better at 23%.
While suncancer concerners will suggest you avoid sunlight, general cancer concerners understand some evidence of the benefits of Vitamin D preventing cancers.
Let's hope that our WA Fisheries Minister and scientists do not have shares in Vitamin D suppliers ... that could be their reason for pushing extended fishing bans on us to get us Vitamin D deficient and spending our money on supplements ... it's another bloody conspiracy I tell ya' ... :).
Jackfrost80
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Aren't Vitamin D supplements
Aren't Vitamin D supplements manufactured by big pharmaceutical companies?
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BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
Mostly Australian owned for us
While some Big Pharma companies may produce some, in general, Vitamin and supplement suppliers are competitors to Big Pharma.
It's difficult for Big Pharma to profit from something they can not easily patent.
Whereas Pfizer's patented Covid-19 jab which costs less than US$2 a unit price for them to produce and sell for about US$20 is getting a price rise to about US$110-130 for new 2023 contracts.
In Australia, most of our common vitamin suppliers like Blackmores are Australian owned (Blackmores was established by a naturopath, cenovis by a pharmacist, etc...).
Reefsta
Posts: 311
Date Joined: 03/08/19
Eat it up.
Tuna one of the best natural sources of D, so lets hope we catch some. Otherwise eggs or mushrooms, but neither as much fun. Have it with green leafy veggies, or even lettuce in a salad for the K and your all good. Suspect we've all been on track without knowing.....
Billcollector
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Date Joined: 16/05/09
Just got back from 7 days up
Just got back from 7 days up the Gibb River and can't believe this shit is still alive.
still trying
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Date Joined: 27/06/17
Paranoia never stops only
Paranoia never stops only gets worse
rather be fishing
BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
Ironic
Isn't it ironic that comments like yours (and this response of mine) help to continually bump it to the top of the latest content list.
Just like 12months ago when the topic was discussed, you, like many, appear to have trouble leaving the forum alone.
marble
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Date Joined: 03/09/09
Hypocritical dribble
Hypocritical dribble
PMY 25 Centre Console DF300 Suzuki
brown364
Posts: 249
Date Joined: 25/08/15
Great that its independent
off fishing post as that was the idea. It is still a forum that attracts views and responses to the subject if it is your interest. Hat off to BK for throwing out info, not for a pat on the back , just inform a side of the deal. there is more out there than meets the eye though we all live in our own bubble and without a level dialog about issues going on around us , no one will get to the real answer , they will just ceate their own!. J
ust a thought!
hopefully catch a feed of whiting on saturday . do a catch and cook with the kid
life was simpler before we pushed buttons to communicate!
TorquenFish
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Date Joined: 30/12/12
This thread gave me brain
This thread gave me brain cancer. Absolute drivel.
BlueKiaser
Posts: 422
Date Joined: 22/04/15
Another Adverse Event
It may not be the thread that gave you brain cancer;
vigilantfox.substack.com/p/aggressive-brain-cancers-heart-inflammation