LBG+Shark/Ray Beach Setup

Hi All,

Wanting to get stuck into LBG and shark/ray fishing more from the beach as im in the Southwest, got a taste of it not long ago and want to give it a crack alot more now. So just after peoples reccomendations on the best rod/reel combos to buy. Probably looking at an overhead with a low mount rod to save the back haha, not a cheapo setup but not an exxy setup either. Any info would be awesome.

Cheers Sam.

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 shimano toriums work well i

Wed, 2012-04-11 09:01

 shimano toriums work well i have the 50, bit of a pain to cast but once you get used to it its fine, i use the 50 just because of line capacity. as for rods poseidon bantam 5's or loomis and franklin sharkey's seem to be the best for that use. hope it helps

cheers chris

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Second the poseidon. If you

Wed, 2012-04-11 12:51

Second the poseidon. If you havent got an educated thumb the torium can be a bit of a handful, a static mag will help that. otherwise the daiwa saltist star drag comes with centrifugal breaks. Otherwise I use a penn fathom (not available here in oz) Seems well built and I inported mine for around 200 bux. They seem to have a good write up from the guys in south africa but havent caught anything descent on it yet havent had the time this summer.

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 i would much rather a

Wed, 2012-04-11 15:05

 i would much rather a trinidad or saltiga surf but the torium is the only 50 size castable overhead and the smaller ones just dont have the line capacity once you put a mono topshot on, but the saltist's ect will work well for sharks to 2m

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Yer I dont intend chasing the

Wed, 2012-04-11 16:15

Yer I dont intend chasing the size sharks your after. lol. Ive got about 500m of 40lb braid and about 200m of 35lb 0.45mm mono on my fathom30.

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MY two favourite reels!

Fri, 2014-09-05 18:17

 Youre 100 percent right on those reels! They are awesome, i wish they came in a bigger size!!! A 50 size reel with an ultra light spool would be a dream. One day well have a reel with Titanium spool that is light enough to cast. 

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if u wanna spin reel go the

Wed, 2012-04-11 15:58

if u wanna spin reel go the fin nor 9500 and load it with 65lb tuff line. got just under 600yards on it probs about590 or somthing and stops decent rays within 100m lol and even goes hard with sharks up to 2.5 m i reken

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if u wanna spin reel go the

Wed, 2012-04-11 15:58

if u wanna spin reel go the fin nor 9500 and load it with 65lb tuff line. got just under 600yards on it probs about590 or somthing and stops decent rays within 100m lol and even goes hard with sharks up to 2.5 m i reken

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I second the toriums! Chuck

Wed, 2012-04-11 17:21

I second the toriums! Chuck some carbontex in em, then if your chasing monsters like chris you can put a spring in behind the dog pawl (the one from the star drag ratchet or wateva its called fits perfectly) so in worse case scinario if the anti reverse bearing fails the pawl is spring loaded and wont get stuck. May sound like overkill but ive heard of enough failures ending in disaster for me to decide it was worth the effort. Bullet proof reels, easy to service and casts a dream.

Chuck it on a poseidon or sharkey. For brute strength I like the sharkey but the poseidon probably casts better up to 8oz. There are much better rods out there but you start looking at big money. 

Personally I dont rate any kind of cast control, give it a few months and youll be sweet and probably end up pulling out any cast control systems anyway.  As for a 30 or 50, most ppl reckon once you get the hang of it you will get an extra 20m on your cast with a 30 over a 50, but then your losing a fair bit of line capacity, so personal preference. Plenty of 3m plus sharks have fallen to the torium 30, question is do you want to take the risk lol.

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Good gear...

Mon, 2013-04-22 07:28

 Mate check out the Fin Nor ofc 30H they are very popular in Namibia Henties bay for competition anglers, massive line capacity and carbon drag washers as standard. They are built for an american market and are tough, reel tough! Haha, it would be my go to hands down for big sharks,identical to a saltist but honestly a better reel i believe. You can pick them up for round 200 or less if theres a sale, a new model is coming soon that has ceramic bearings fitted as standard. They will cast a mile too and the construction is bulletproof (probably not really but as good as!) i use the 20 for edibles fishing and have knocked over a few sharks with it no drama. 

As for a rod, with all that cash now in your pocket having saved on the reel, go custom 100% excalibur tackle in namibia again will remote built a rod for you that will knock over anything in these waters that your body can physically handle fighting. But any rod builder you find will be able to make up something as long as you tell them what you need it to do. My suggestion though which might sound stupid is dont go over 11 foot or so, think of the rod as a lever, when you pull on a lever the higher up you go (towards the rod tip) the more pressure you can exert on the pivot point (your rod butt/gimble), seeing as how the shark which is very large is pulling on your arms and body from the very tip (the powerful bit of the lever) and you (potentialy a lot smaller than the shark) are pulling against it from lower down, you need to be exerting a great deal of force to generate a smal amount of pull on the shark! 

If you ever want to experiment get two sets of fish weighing scales. Hook it round your rod where your hands would go and load the rod up with the line attached to another set of scales tied to something very solid. You will see this effect in action and a good friend of mine has already done some maths on this, on a 14 foot rod you require nearly 75kilos of arm pull on the rod holding it 2feet up the butt to generate 10kilos of pull on the fish... Try it out, the leverage the shark has on you is enourmous. So line capacity and drag suddenly become a whole lot more important! 

Howeer keeping that in mind when chosin line to put on the reel it imakes sense that the max drag on your reel and the max pressure you can fight the fish at hould come into your mind when choosing the breaking steain for the bulk of line that youre going to be putting on the reel. It would be silly to load up with 100lb braid when the max pressure you can actualy have on the fosh is not more than 14 kilos, (i challenge anyone on this site to pull set of scales to more than 14 kilos on a beach rod of more than 10ft... So go probably no more than 20kilo line for your main allowing for shock abraision and water pressure and knot strength. The leader is another story because sharks have very abraisive skin, but your main line should be as low as possible so you have more line to actualy fight the shark with. 

 

My choice atthe end of this all would be an 11 foot rod that can cast the baits you want plus sinker (Jeri at excalibur has built a rod called the cape shark that will cast 20 ounces out to very respectable distances over 100m) and the Fin Nor 30H which is a superb fish fighting and casting tool. (Change the brake blocks in it to penn 555 blocks and they will never wear out) 

thats all from me ,

cheers Sarge'

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I also agree with the fin-nor

Tue, 2013-04-23 07:54

I also agree with the fin-nor range... Well priced and tough for the money... I have 4 of them in my kit!!

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Charter Chair

Thu, 2013-05-02 12:24

Hi Wetdreams,

 

How you goin? I think you should build a landbased game fishing chair to complement your new setup. Then maybe start up a fishing charter of some sort? Let me know how you go i already have customers willing to pay to get in on the action.

 

Thirsty

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Thirsty

Sat, 2013-05-04 06:39

Hi mate,

Funny you mention that about a landbased game chair, as I'm actually in the process of making one. It's about half way there so give me another 2 weeks and will be good to go. Should make fishing alot easier and will make for an interesting sight down the local beaches!

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!!!

Mon, 2013-05-06 08:32

Awesome WD

 

There are soooo many good fish to hook down this way we are bound to give that chair what it deserves. Dont tell anyone where youre going tho.

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i have a trynos 30 loaded

Sat, 2013-05-04 09:15

i have a trynos 30 loaded with 650m of 50pd mono and braid awsome reels for balooning not so good for casting if you want and overhead that casts go star drag like a torium or trinidad 30a or something like that as for the rod i have one of the live fibre lbg rods 9ft 15-24kg roller tip havnt had it for to long but so far its been good to me but for the price i paid theres better stuff out there.

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Tyrnos 30 on a wilson 24-37

Mon, 2013-05-06 11:25

Tyrnos 30 on a wilson 24-37 lbg rod 8' should suffice and wont break the bank

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UPDATES?

Tue, 2013-05-21 16:24

HEY WD HOWS THE CHAIR GOIN? CAN U GIVE US ANY INFO ON WHEN ITS GOING TO BE DONE?

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 what do you guys think about

Mon, 2013-05-27 20:46

 what do you guys think about a saltist 50ld with a sensor surf overhead? any good for a lbg como?

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What do i think about...?

Fri, 2014-09-05 18:11

 Hey Sheloncy23, 

Not a bad setup but the sensor surf blanks are a bit rubbish in my opinion. They dont cast great which is what ehy are set p for with that massive handle ( although you can cut it down) and as a live baiting stick i dont reckon the action on them is very comfy for fighting big fish, they dont load up and "lock" like a life fiber and they dont really have the stiffness that something like a ShoKen 6 would have for subduing big fish in close. 

For an LBG setup i love the lever drag saltists personally but they again are a little flimsy, they are apooly engineered copy of an Avet but without the option for cast controll. 

That combo would land you fish for sure, but it will not be friendly to your back with the long handle, and if you cut it down, there is nowhere to hold the rod further up with a good grip. 

for lever drag reels land based look in the jigging world of things, as the narrow spool will be easy to cast with thick enough braid. 

Or with mono, hit a Tyrnos 16 or 20. cant go wrong! 

As for a rod, i love Live fiber rods, and I have a couple of custom built overhead rods i use for serious LBG that are amazing pieces of work. 

 

Hope that helps and offers something different to the usual responses on that question. 

Sarge'

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