Lowrance date issue-pissed right off
So the GPS date rollover has rendered most if not all Gen2 touch and non touch units useless until Lowrance software engineers push the Krispy Kreme box aside and get around to pushing a couple of buttons.
Only as recently as a couple of months ago we had another date issue with these, and it took them 4 months of scratching their ball bags before they got around to sorting it.
You would have thought they would have dealt with this issue at the same time.
Unfortunately they couldnt be bothered, maybe they saw a surge in sales last time and thought this would be a great idea for marketing?
Not this black duck, Id look long and hard at purchasing another Lowrance product, ever.
Off to the Abrolhos day after tomorrow, wont stop us going, just make it a bit less convenient.
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sea-kem
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Farrrk! I can't even get my
Farrrk! I can't even get my hands on mine at the moment to check.
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Rob H
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They are telling me it is
They are telling me it is rare for it to affect anymore than the date alone, but mine wont get a fix at all.
It can see satelites and thats all.
Not sure if they are just glossing it over but last time similar happened 4 months back they said at first no-one else had complained about it, until I found it on Google...
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Cruise Control
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Hey Robmy HDS8 gen 2 seems
Hey Rob
my HDS8 gen 2 seems to have the same problem as you did. Has yours been resolved yet ? I have downloaded the GPS legacy patch and that seemed to fix the date and it was all AOK on Sunday but checked today, can’t get a fix. Can see 8 satellites but keeps searching to get a GPS fix.
im going to call Lowrance tomorrow to see WTF is going on but would appreciate hearing if you have had any luck as well.
cheers
Rob H
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Exactly the same as mine,
Exactly the same as mine, but they reckoned mine "was the only one with no fix..."
Jump onto Lowrance and register, and in about 3 months thery'll get around to doing something.
No resolution, Ive reinstalled the legacy patch
https://www.lowrance.com/en-au/news--videos/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw4qvlBRDiARIsAHme6ov7f7ZlZZJv425t7DzoSEt6XLYwId-iD8UWYHsnNANPHUuaW4J0n98aAtDCEALw_wcB
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holth
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Haven't checked today but my
Haven't checked today but my hds gen1 wasnt affected and was working with correct date, time and position as of yesterday.
Seems strange it would only affect certain units.
Better go check mine again.
Broady
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I noticed mine was right out
I noticed mine was right out in positioning around Stragglers yesterday - wasn't sure if was related to this date issue or not and couldnt believe how innaccurate it was. You've reminded me to look into it!
Jim
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Took me awhile to get a fix
Took me awhile to get a fix on Saturday morning with my lowrance but it eventually worked. Mines an older unit than yours though Rob. Im guessing youve already done the old soft reset etc... If had the cash itd be furuno/koden all the way!
Bend over
scottnofish
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got this of hull truth
The Hull truth.
GPS date rollover affects older GPS units
BY BEN STEIN · PUBLISHED FEBRUARY 22, 2019 · UPDATED FEBRUARY 22, 2019
On April 6th, 2019 older GPS units may experience a range of problems because of a limitation in how they handle dates. Those problems could include not being able to receive location data. It turns out the way dates are stored in older GPS units has a rollover event every roughly 20 years and we are about to experience the second one since the GPS constellations came online. The rollover last happened in 1999, but in the last 20 years the use and dependence on GPS has increased dramatically.
The Department of Homeland Security has published a bulletin on the upcoming rollover, as has the Coast Guard. Both bulletins make reference to a new GPS spec (IS-GPS-200) that deals with these rollovers gracefully. Unfortunately, the bulletins also warn that not all implementations of the new specification work properly and some GPS units might be prone to trouble either at the 4/6/19 rollover or later.
The underlying problem stems from the way GPS units store dates. The original specification for GPS had dates stored by week in a 10-bit field (2^10 or 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2) which is 1,024 weeks. 1,024 weeks is 19 years, 36 weeks. Dates for the GPS constellation start at midnight on January 5th, 1980, so the first rollover occurred on August 21, 1999. Now, 19 years and 36 weeks later the same thing will happen again on April 6th, 2019.
Furuno has stated their units will experience the rollover on March 17th, 2019, almost three weeks earlier than the published date in the notices. Furuno has a list of affected units as well as information on how to cold start the units to restore location information. It appears the date will remain wrong but the location services should function correctly. The affected units appear to all have been introduced in the early 2000s and ended sale around a decade ago.
Raymarine has posted to their forum that they are confident most of their recent hardware (Axiom, a/c/e/eS-Series MFDs and Raystar 130 & 150 GPS receivers) are unaffected.
Garmin has published a support article indicating they don’t expect trouble for their units as long as they are running current software.
No comment from Navico
Silver Fox
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That’s got to suck
My old shit rocket Navman Trackfish 6600 got fired up yesterday. Luckily everything still works . Still won’t be able to catch fish though !
My wife understands why I clean my rods n reels in the shower....
Rob H
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Yeah Ive done a soft and
Yeah Ive done a soft and hard reset on it with no luck.
Trying to find an external antennae to test it as Im fucked if im spending more coin on Lowrance now.
They would appear to have known this was coming but decided just to let it go by then have a look.
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scubafish
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Just suggestion
https://www.lowrance.com/en-au/news--videos/gps-week-rollover/
Sign up to be notified when a GPS Week Rollover software release is available for your affected device.
http://img.gg/BQ91Sys
Rob H
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Yeah Ive done that-again.4
Yeah Ive done that-again.
4 months ago it happened also, took 4 months for them to put together a fix.
Youd think they would have done this also
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Simo_
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I feel your pain!! Mine was
I feel your pain!! Mine was totally stuffed until I applied the patch. Seemed to fix it up, hopefully no more fuckups.
Bring on April
sea-kem
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What model have you got
What model have you got Simo?
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Simo_
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HDS7 Gen2 Touch
HDS7 Gen2 Touch
Bring on April
Rob H
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Have you tried it today?As
Have you tried it today?
As the issue only arose on saturday with GPS date rollover and your Gen 2 touch will be affected, maybe only the date though?
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Simo_
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Just checked it and it won’t
Just checked it and it won’t connect to satellite. Piece of shit!!!
Bring on April
little johnny
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Used mine today all
Good . Picked up spot on . Marks bang on. Hook 9 . 2 years old.
bsir
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Bugger
off to Kalbarri/coral bay in a weeks time.
might be time for the Garmin upgrade.
scubafish
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Lowrance
Have removed the gps patch update from the web site for HDS Gen 2.
Hmm ,watch this space suppose.
Hey Rob, can I ask what is your datum set on ?
http://img.gg/BQ91Sys
Rob H
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WGS84 from memory.Patch was
WGS84 from memory.
Patch was there this morning, I downloaded it again?
Lowrance said to "update" it back to the previous version which I did, no change
In contact with them in the US and here at Navico.
They have been very helpful asking alot of questions and pics of screens etc.
Still hoping they come up with something but not looking good.
At the end of the day though their management didnt bother to sort a known upcoming issue and left us in the lurch.
Can I ask how many others here cannot get a fix, as opposed to just incorrect date?
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mattgreen
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HDS Gen2 touch
Got a chance to turn mine on this morning, GPS plotting correctly, no date or time.
spoke to a couple big dealers East Coast this morning if it’s worth doing the patch update or it will cause further F ups, they were either in denial about the issue or actually had no ideas .
simo, msg sent re:patch update, lowrance haven’t emailed it through yet
Cruise Control
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OK - I just got off the
OK - I just got off the phone from Navico.
After performing a soft reset and a couple of other quick diagnostics the Tech made a call up the chain and it appears that they have stuffed up the original GPS patch and that is why we can see satellites but can’t lock on for a fix and is therefore why they have removed it from the Navico site.
According to the Tech, they are working on the Patch to correct this shortcoming. I asked how far away and he was a little vague, saying only that they are currently working on it. When I pushed him, he said maybe a couple of days.
Keep an eye on the website for an update and hopefully a fix.
Rob H
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Shit, doesnt explain though
Shit, doesnt explain though why mine still cant see after putting back to previous version.
Sounds like they have been buying GPS chipsets off the cheapest seller and dont know which unit has what in it even with the serial number of it
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VaSSagO
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Running a HDS8 Gen 1 and got
Running a HDS8 Gen 1 and got GPS fix straight away last night.
Didn't check the time to see if that was working.
No patches, last time it was updated would of been in 2012.
Was pretty worried after reading comment on here re the Gen 2
holth
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Gen1s according the the
Gen1s according the the lowrance site aren't affected
Scotte
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Sounds like it's only the
Sounds like it's only the hds gen 2 .I tested my gen 2 last night the GPS is accurate but the date is out by a few years, I'm not fussed about the date whatsoever.
Marineboy
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Hds gen 2
same as scotte switched my gen 2 touch on last night and gps appears accurate but date out by about 12 months, have turned the unit on 3 times in the last 24 hours and each time I turn it on it places a test waypoint on it so in my waypoint list I now have 3 test waypoints that I didn’t create ?
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
Rob H
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Update
Got it working, with wrong date though
Mike at Lowrance US asked for pics of everything from satelite screen, boat to show its outside, SD card contents etc.
Then after a few emails came back with install the older previous update, still nothing.
Then-try deleting all the other files off your SD (the legacy patch and zip file), and it fkn worked...
Wrong date but my boat is no longer in Oklahoma...
Islands tomorrow without going blind-yeah boi!
Was still going anyway, as itd force me to look at new spots, but my luck Id find something good and then cant save it!
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Cruise Control
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Hey Robjust so I am clear on
Hey Rob
just so I am clear on this I should get a blank SD card and reinstall version 4 ? This will give me wrong dates and times but the GPS will be functional ?
cheers
Rob H
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Sorry just got back from
Sorry just got back from islands.
Yes it did on mine.
Not sure if its version 4, but the previous one Ive linked somewhere here
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Ericl
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Which software version should i load
Hi Rob
Can you advise what version we need to go back to. I have an HDS 8 Gen 2 (not touch)
Cheers
Eric
PS, mine was broken today when I went to pull my pots. Found them and marked them on my phone - not ideal
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Rob H
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This one
Make sure your SD card has nothing else on it, and you unzip the file before putting it on the SD card
Go to Pages
Waypoints and tracks
Files
My memory card
http://downloads.lowrance.com/software/index.html?r=799
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Simo_
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Mine won’t get a GPS fix. Did
Mine won’t get a GPS fix. Did the patch before.
Bring on April
Rob H
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Reinstall the old update as I
Reinstall the old update as I did above
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Simo_
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Cheers Rob, I've got the gen2
Cheers Rob, I've got the gen2 touch, they only have 6.0 upgarde available. Guess I'll try that.
Bring on April
Rob H
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email Mike on this
email Mike on this address,
Much as Im pissed off at Lowrance for fucking us around again, he really got stuck intoi it and did get it sorted
APAC Support - Lowrance <apac.support@lowrance.com>
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Simo_
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I just emailed him, will see
I just emailed him, will see what he says.
Bring on April
meglodon
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Sorry to see people not having fun with lowrance gps
If it's any consolation, and I guess it won't be look what has happened with arguably one of the biggest plane manufactures in the world, boeing. Mow there is nothing wrong with our soft ware in our planes just because the planes suddenly take a dive into the ground Hmmmm. We will fix it in a day, waiting waiting waiting
Sorry people
Rob H
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The big issue with Boeings
The big issue with Boeings situation, is that they didnt TELL any pilots or put it in the flight manual that the MCAS system was even there.
If they had been told, they would merely have had to touch the trim control and it'd be disabled.
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The problem was also damaged
The problem was also damaged pitot sensors giving false readings. Understanding what happened in the cockpit is critical to determining which safety changes are required to prevent the future loss of any additional aircraft. New reports, however, paint a damaging picture of how the MCAS system behaved. Sources speakingto Reuters have stated that the MCAS system reactivated even after being properly turned off. The system may have kicked in as many as four times before the aircraft crashed, though a third source who spoke to Reuters stated both that the system hadfired up again after being manually disabled, while also saying it had only triggered in one “significant” episode.
The Wall Street Journal reports a slightly different sequence of events. It states that the pilots initially disabled the system (following Boeing’s recommendations) but were unable to regain control of the aircraft. The system was either manually reactivated by the pilots themselves as part of an absolute last-ditch effort to recover the aircraft or came back online automatically. The WSJ points towards the former conclusion, while Reuters appears to have heard the latter. Either way, we now know the pilots reportedly disabled the system properly, yet were either unable to regain control of the aircraft after it had activated or unable to prevent it from activating again. The reasons why this happened are themselves still unknown.
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uncle
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Did you spell
Pilot wrong Andy?
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Read it again Unc.
Read it again Unc.
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Pitot
Sensors??
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uncle
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Mr google
says your right.
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Simo_
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Just wondering if Lowrance
Just wondering if Lowrance will be offering compensation? This is BS, we are being stuffed around by these flogs.
Bring on April
black gen
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boys just to ask a question
boys just to ask a question thats maybe been asked, ive switched my HDS10 Gen2 on tonight, cant see time and date (not sure where to find that) but the boat location at my house seems normal (im not right on the coast)
when i fired it up, it located the boat pretty quickly (probably s quick as normal).....should i be looking for something??
Cheers
Rob H
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Na thats as far as you'll
Na thats as far as you'll get until they provide a patch-again
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black gen
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So do you rekn it sounds like
So do you rekn it sounds like mine is working rob?
if I hadn’t I’d known about this issue I would have thought it was normal how it fired up last night
Ericl
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Thanks Rob
Thanks Rob
Have GPS again
Cheers
Eric
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Gav475
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hds12
So if I understand the process for my gen 2 touch I have to buy a SD card reader, download the software update onto the computer from the Lowrance web page, place a new SD card into ther card reader, download the software onto the SD card from the computer, then put the card into the Gen 2 and somehow activate a download internally from the Gen 2 reading the SD card that I put in. I then put the original SD card back into the Gen 2. Jeezuz im only a dum ass security guard not a computer engineer. Any help on the actual process would be helpfull.
dmck
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NO SD card reader/writer ?
Hi Gav...
are you indicating that your PC does not have an SD card slot, therfore you dont have access to write your own cards?
If so, tell us your location, someone on here must live nearby and be able to assist. At worst, PM me... I'll mail you a card with the update on it!!!
Daryn
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I am just down the road from
I am just down the road from you (Kingsley). PM me if you want some help.
Fresh herbs
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I'm about to buy a lowrance
elite ti9. Would a brand new unit have this same issue? Maybe i should reconsider my unit?
holth
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Theres a link on the other
Theres a link on the other thread to lowrances web page about what units are affected
Fresh herbs
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cheers holth. will look at
cheers holth. will look at it now
Daryn
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Hope not - I must power mine
Hope not - I must power mine up tonight and check!
The good thing about the 9ti is you can update directly from the web if necessary, no need to mess with cards.
sea-kem
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little johnny
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After reading all
I thought I would check my time and date. All spot on. Little andys 2099 his date ,and time way out . Scary stuff .
Mrlickalotopus
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I've just read this and
I've just read this and flashed up my Koden CVG80 that I use a as stand alone GPS. All works good, date time and logs onto SBAS gps.
Simo_
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A new patch is available for
A new patch is available for Gen2. I'm going to try it out.
Bring on April
Simo_
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HDS Gen 2 Touch with GPS
HDS Gen 2 Touch with GPS Patch
Release Date: 12 April 2019
Version: 6.0
On April 6, 2019, a GPS Rollover event occurred.
GPS Rollover events occur every 20 years due to the date and time scale used by the Global Positioning System (GPS), which is based on counting weeks and seconds within a week. When the counter reaches 1024 weeks, it rolls back to week zero. If GPS products are designed without taking this into account, problems can occur with GPS products including incorrect date and time values and/or the loss of position information. Lowrance can confirm that all current generation devices are 100% compatible with the recent GPS week rollover event. There, however, are several legacy products that will require a software update.
Upgrade Instructions
1. Download the file
2. Copy to a blank micro SD card
3. With the unit turned off insert Micro SD in to the card reader
4. Turn on the Lowrance display. (If the update does not automatically start, follow the steps below)
a. HDS Gen1/Gen2
i. Press Pages
ii. Use the directional pad to select Utilities
iii. Next select Files
iv. Select the SD Card and press enter
v. Select software update and press enter
5. After the update has completed, remove the SD card. The unit will shut down
6. Press power key to restart the unit
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bsir
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I Tried
Just a word of warning. I now have a HDS8 Gen 2 that will not boot up.
It just flashes the lowrance boot screen, stays there for a 10-20 seconds, then reboots continually.
I have tried both a hard and soft reset. They havent worked. It appears to load the update fine, then when removign the card to start the HDS in normal operation, things go to shit.
I had trouble during my last firmware upgrade, but the hard reset(and loss of waypoints) fixed it.
This time i havent yet managed to get it to bootup.
Backup waypoints before attempting.
bsir
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Working
After multiple attempts (more than 20), 2 different SD cards, trying various firmware revisions and trying both SD slots, hard and soft resets, it eventually worked.
I didnt do anythign that i hadnt done already.
Good news is, my GPS now turns on, and it appears to be working OK with the new firmware.
meglodon
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That’s great news
Did you get your marked locations back.
bsir
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Yup
I had backed all my waypoints up before udpdating.
I just had to load them back onto the GPS.
Next stop Kalbarri and Coral Bay.
Simo_
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New patch seems to work. I
New patch seems to work. I now have date, time and GPS fix.
Bring on April
shortfuse
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could Anyone who has done the
could Anyone who has done the update please advise if there is any need to unzip this file before copying it to the card, this does not appear to be a zip file like previous updates.
Thanks
bsir
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Nope
The file is a upd file. Just copy it on then stick it in.
shortfuse
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Much appreciated bsir
Much appreciated bsir
sea-kem
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Downloading it now, will try
Downloading it now, will try it over the weekend.
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