Metro Blue-Eye Trevalla & Bass Grouper on jig!!!!
With the weather being very average and the forecast showing a continued trend I looked at yesterdays weather and thought half a chance!
Decided to take deepwater jigs only which i do periodically and no bait. The stormfronts really whipped up the offshore current which I thought might happen but what the heck. It was screeming at a fast rate and very hard to get my favourite jig down there. I rate the Sanme 650g jig which Kasey got me onto a while ago and well worth the money despite not being cheap. We've been having great success together with this jig but yesterday was a stretch for it to find & hold bottom!
With my sounder showing the right fish i kept on persisting, i know if I dropped a bait with a heavy lead we would of got fish but it was an artificial jig day only. After persisting I got a hook-up, it felt like a descent Blue eye and I wasn't disappointed.
* 15kg Blue-Eye Trevalla on jig *
Adonis
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top fish ryan!
top fish ryan!
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Good one Chief
Another crackin fish.
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milsey
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awsome fish an well worth
awsome fish an well worth the effort.
hlokk
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Awesome capture Ryan,
Awesome capture Ryan, especially on jig. Guessing around the 300m mark?
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Good eating?
Are they good to eat, bloody huge fish! Is that kevlar cord from the hooks to the jig?
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good fish ryan
water/weather doesn't look to bad
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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deep jigy!
Deeper Hlokk, I did try in closer also where the current was a bit better but no fish on my sounder.......they move around heaps!
Matt T, the Blue-Eye are an awesome eating fish, high quality fish for sure. Yeh thats heavy kevlar on that assist, the Blue-Eye have very raspy teeth!
Yeh Damo, we had a lul in the wind (photo time period) but she was really choppy & lumpy in general. The winds out further are definatly higher than say the normal offshore i've found!
Cheers fellas!
till
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Whoa another awesome fish
Whoa another awesome fish Ryan, I was wondering if you were going to be in the office =)
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nice ryan
top fish mate bastard ha ha j/k
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What a beauty, top fish Ryan
What a beauty, top fish Ryan
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Great reward for what sounds like difficult conditions
They must live very deep judging by its eyes.
they lo0ok like they would pull real hard too.
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Nice one Ryan, not good when
Nice one Ryan, not good when the current is running that strong but persistence payed off well done.
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SamC
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Nice Ryan. Luke has been
Nice Ryan.
Luke has been doing well lately jigging some nice Ruby's and Puka's!
Don't choose to run twin assist's in that depth?
Cheers
Sam
Cheers,
Sam
Rosco
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Nice Fish
That is a great fish Ryan. I know they taste great and I hope you ate it after all that effort.
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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The last 3 months!
Kasey & myself have been trying different stuff out there Sam on the deepwater species. I've experiemented with short versus long assist, two assist versus one and have caught plenty of fish with all. The doubles however, especially long versions to suit this jig have tangled due to its eratic action. That said is the reason why i've gone back to singles!
I've had a few PM's tonight re jigging deepwater species so to those ppl, keep an eye out. Kasey has an awesome WAFM "Feature article" coming out in a weeks time (July/August) issue, runs through all what we've been doing out there in the last 3 months!
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Fair enough! I spose it
Fair enough!
I spose it would be a different story with the slim jigs and SW Labs, being a faster actioned jig!
Cheers,
Sam
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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eratic!
Yeh spot on Sam, fast slim-line jigs no worries but eratic/enticing jigs no!
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well done, another monster
well done, another monster from the deep, wouldnt mind trying out there one day , but that time will come eventually with a new business obout to get underway fishing time will be scarce
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great fish Ryan. well done
great fish Ryan. well done
Bring on April
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Another Cracka
Top fish buddy. Makes the trip all the way there worthwhile when you get an awesome fish on jig. That's my next challenge I think. Good photo aswell; straight to the pool room.
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Wait til you see the WAFM
Wait til you see the upcoming WAFM cover shot!
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Impressive
I have buddy, it's awesome. I'm looking forward to reading your article.
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Great Blue eye Ryan...you
Great Blue eye Ryan...you picked the best day of the week to be in the office too!
You'll have to get some close up pics of these fishies to highlight eyes/mouth etc.
Looking forward to the Mag Kasey.
Cheers Pete
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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Fish Pics!
Taken plenty of pics mate but more so on the fish & jigs out of their mouth etc. Normally i take a shit load of profile pics but i've been mainly getting required article pics. I'll have a look at home on my PC and see what I can find!
All the best Russ with the new business, you wont be missing much fishing over winter!
Cheers guys!
crewsy72
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I take my hat off
You have raised the bar yet again well done!!
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Nice fish! cats out of the
Nice fish!
cats out of the bag now eh.
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Ryan,
By the way, good on ya for always taking the time to answer all the questions thrown at you all the time. Your wealth of knowledge is very well known and you never shy away from sharing it with those of us who ask. Cheers mate
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cracking fish ryan...fancy
cracking fish ryan...fancy one of those bad boys!!
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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pics!
Happy to help, have done since i first started in this tackle industry 14 years ago and will continue!
Yep Bodie, its hard holding back good pics and info but worth the wait!
On that note Pete, had a look on my PC mate. Plenty of fish pics & jig pics re deepwater species but too many step on article photos. We'll catch up soon as discussed!
Cheers Crewsy :)
Bodie
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wonder if thats the reason i
wonder if thats the reason i can feel hits but miss alot of jigs.
Your Hook runner hangs ALOT further down than mine do.
Kasey L.
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That sounds like a Trevalla
That sounds like a Trevalla bite Bodie. The length of the assist cord is not so important because predatory fish always attack the head first - but Trevalla tend to peck and slash rather than gulp and swallow.
Either that or small sh1t fish, depending on what you see on the sounder.
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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in-depth look!
Blue Eye Trevalla hit and miss jigs but "return" to take the jig however. The hits your getting would be smaller fish....probably pinks & or yellow eye red snapper etc
The length assist i'm using on that Sanme is too long. I agree with KC, its not that important but type of jig and action "very" important. I'm using & recommending shorter assist than what I've been using!
All the bite marks on my jigs are from the head down to mid body (1/2 way) of my jigs. The pic doesnt show it properly but my assist hook is 3/4 down the length of the jig.....too long!
I've had a few PM's re the jigs we're using. I'm using the 500gram Zest and the Sanme 650g jigs. We stock both and the Sanme is great for extra current and deep deep jigging!
hlokk
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I've heard the 1/3-1/2
I've heard the 1/3-1/2 'guideline' before, and thats how I rig up my jigs (two hooks different lengths). Though sometimes I've used assists on jigs meant for jigs half the size and they still get hit. I have a few mackie bites just missing the hooks though (must be tail nippers :p). I've found for my jigs and jigging style, often the hooks will be 'trailing' behing the head, so super long assist cords means your hooks are far away from the jig. Fish still hit it, but i feel more comfortable having it shorter. Big fish just engulf everything though(sucking the hook in first most of the time :D).
Though as Ryan mentioned, sometimes you just chuck on whatevers available :p.
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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discect!
I didnt say "chuck on whatever is available" Matt!
I discect things in "detail" and use the correct gear to suit. That said i've experiment on the water alot and have tried different assist lengths & tried one versus two assist as mentioned. I've found that two assist of different lengths will jag one hook also and prolong the fight/make it harder . So I rather use only "one" assist on deepwater fish/jigs now!
These jigs I'm using are long so longer assist are required and they inhale the jig so long assists not an issue. However, just a bit shorter than what i've been using is better and thats only to do with hook grab on jig curve with this particular jig!
hlokk
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Oh, right, must of
Oh, right, must of misunderstood what you meant when you said normally you'd go shorter. Might look into the action of those jigs to see if I can improve my hook setup on various jigs and match them a bit better.
Dean
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impressive fish ryan
impressive fish ryan
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congrats
Congrats Ryan, thats very well done mate! Top pic too.
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Nice fish, nice pic and good
Nice fish, nice pic and good tips thanks Ryan.
GO BLUES
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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Bass Grouper!
Cheers fella's!
One of my Bass Groupers, 27kg (weighed) on Sanme 650gram jig, decky was very shakey with my camera (happens) so this pic didnt make it to Kaseys WAFM article!
uncleben
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27kg?????????? sorry.... but
27kg?????????? sorry.... but to me that doesnt look 27..... more like 15-18kg...jmo
Bodie
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no way its 15kgs mate.....
no way its 15kgs mate..... look how fat it is. Imagine a 15kg sambo next to it, it would be no where near that size.
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compare it to the 15kg blue
compare it to the 15kg blue eye above
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Groper are round and fat -
Groper are round and fat - trevalla have a much slimmer profile.
It's always hard to make a call based just on a photo because they can be decieving.
uncleben
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but....and i might be
but....and i might be wrong..... arent trevalla a more solid fish?????
and looking at the 2 pics together and the size of the person in the pics they are roughly the same size fish...... definitley not 12kg difference in my opinion
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Honesty
After being out fishing with Ryan more than a couple of times, one thing I can guarantee is that Ryan normally under-estimates the weight of the fish he catches (and mine). He won't post a weight on any website unless he has put in on the scales. My point is: no matter what it looks like 27kgs = 27kgs.
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prick... day after day
prick...
day after day you're out there killing all those poor fish...
:-D nice job thippy- i've been keeping an eye on the weather too, gotta get me onto 1 or two of those bad boys huh..?
(i didn't know you were related to honsu??)
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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accurate!
Uncle Ben, i too over the years have looked at fish on this site and judged. What i have learnt is to weigh my fish and remove all doubt for my own catch. I guessed all of Soupys fish (water guess) he caught on my boat recently and i'm known as an "underestimater" of fish. I was supprised also that i guessed "well under" when all fish were weighed on land with my accurate scales!
All my fish are "weighed" if killed and they're standouts, I've spent some $$$ on a digital scale that is near on certified accuracy so very very accurate. I recently got them tested at a certified weight station for claiming a record (not going into that, you'll see later) So my digital scale weights on all my standouts/big fish that I post up on FW are spot on!
That Blue-Eye was held by my two hands and in a normal photo hold. The bass was "LAYING" against my chest and not a good picture. I guessed that fish would go 22-25kg, my decky said more Ryan.........when i got home it weighed exactly 26.89kg
Thanks fella's!!
uncleben
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Ryan..... i am not saying
Ryan..... i am not saying your scales are wrong but a 12kg difference between those 2 fish is a big difference when they look so similiar.... even between holding the fish against you or not..... sorry but just my opinion
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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easy to!
Thats okay Uncle, I agree its easy to be an arm chair judge....we've all been there at some stage BUT PHOTO'S NEVER DO JUSTICE (often going either way)
I do everything by the book ie Catch limits, Legal size limits and Fish weights....that way there's no legal issue or confusion
26.89kg Weighed, asked Zen or PM Zen on this website he was there
uncleben
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not being an "arm chair
not being an "arm chair judge"..... have caught and seen caught my share of "largish" fish and am only posting my opinion of the difference of kg between the 2 fish you have posted right here.....
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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said!
I said in my original post (Weighed)....I posted that because it was weighed!
26.89kg ......ask Zen or PM Zen on this site, he was there. I was wrapped with that fish....my biggest on jig
Dean
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solid grouper, hard work
solid grouper, hard work jigging at that depth hey!
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You have to make every drop
You have to make every drop count and try and keep the ratio as close to 1 drop : 1 fish as possible.
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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can be!
Thanks Dean, yeh if the currents running fast, missing the fish or they're not hungry then that makes jigging hard work. For me as the skipper thats more frustration added but that pressure makes me think harder also! We've had days where KC & myself rock up to one of my spots, drop jigs and baggout after a few drifts.Wish it was always that way but not!
Your old mans new setup is perfect mate, had a look at Pauls workshop a little while ago......sweet!
Dean
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yeah will be good, hopefully
yeah will be good, hopefully can get out there while i am back here, weather isn't helping!
should try catch up for a beer ryan, back for 2 weeks before im off again.
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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no probs!
Yep the weathers crapola atm. The storm fronts will keep that current pushing hard and we need a few straight days of no fronts to slow it down i reckon!
Count me in Dean, send me a PM or call when ya in town & we'll catch up!
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The wave height is forecast
The wave height is forecast to drop from 5/2m on Monday to 1.4m on Friday which is certainly a step in the right direction!
I hope to take my tinny out a few miles Wednesday, my last chance before my brother takes it up north for a few weeks and I'm stuck land-based again.
I might find some shallow water pinkies, won't hold my breath on shallow-water ruby, bass grouper or trevallathough =)
shabba
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top report again ryan.
top report again ryan. persisting with the strong current, u def got your rewards, with a plump 15kg blue eye. top pic ( potm contender )
cant wait 4 the wafm article, will b an awsome read with some top pics......
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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Sanme Jigs!
I've finally received a few of the jigs i'm using out deep deep......limited stocks!
Rick, I have a few put aside for ya!
Faulkner Family
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are you sure
you dont carry enough already
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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Tackle Trade Show!
ha ha ..... yes got plenty of stock for a small shop mate but more coming. I've just attended the first of the Tackle Trade shows here in WA recently to see the New stuff coming. That being for the New season 2009/2010......some great gear being released!
My order from that trade show starts arriving next week and more Trade shows between now and September.....geez the season comes around very quickly!
Honsu is getting in New "heavy Jig" rods in Spin & Ovehead models for deepwater jigging and they should be arriving next week also. Plenty more to come from that niche area!
Last but not least, we've got out deepwater jig order (second order) arriving by air-freight next week. So, if ppl are chasing the deepwater jigs feel free to pop in then or PM!
I'll post up when the New products start filtering through!
kane
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Nice fish Ryan
As for the other crap, who gives a toss, its only a forum, people will always have opinions that differ and sometimes say thigns that accidentally upset other people, dont worry about it.
At the end of the day who really gives a toss what someone else thinks.
Gooooone Fishin!
Rosco
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great fish full stop
Great fish Ryan and well done for giving all the info and feedback on your exploits including the weights of the fish. Who cares what people think. They can have an opinion but at the end of the day you know what you caught and what it weighed because you were there doing the hard yards. Reward for effort. Well done.
PS Thanks for the drift anchor. It's a ripper.
Rosco
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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Rewards!
Cheers Fella's!
Glad you like the Sea anchor Rosco. Yes the "Reward for Effort" is so true and I love being out there on the water and pushing the limits. Happy to help out others as its a big circle and we can all benefit from it.....Thanks for poping in mate!
Tim Moloney
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Cracking Fish!
Great fish Ryan, I would not have even thought it feasible to go wet a line with the way the weather has been. I didn't even wanna go outside.
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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limited good days!
Cheers Tim, I went the only day last week that looked do-able. Limited days this time of year which suxs!
Just booked a holiday to Exmouth next month, get some nice weather & fish
Alan James
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Jigging style out deep
Any hints as to the style of jigging that is successful for these deep water critters. Yoyo / MJ?
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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antagonistic action!
These Sanme jigs have a curved body so fast rip up/lift & wind will depart an antagonistic action. Speed jigging also helps when things are a bit slow!
Alan James
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Light Sticks
I haven't heard any mention of light sticks being used in conjunction with deep water jigging or is it unnecessary. The bait soakers seem to think light sticks make a difference.
Kasey L.
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Hi Alan, It's hard to see
Hi Alan,
It's hard to see how one could secure attach a lightstick to a jig without either having it fall off very quickly or ending up in a massive tangle.
Some jigs have lumo paint on them but I haven't found myself needing to specifically hunt for these.
crasny1
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Ryan proves
Lay off. I could post and nobody would care about my (false) brag about the 13kg red etc.
Just because Ryan has proved what he can do and what we dream of doing, does not give us as a fishing community the right to EARN respect to criticise.
Opening up new frontiers for us to dream about is what I see Ryan as doing.
I commend him on that.
As for light sticks, use them everywhere at night, and I dont have to prove to it.
Neels
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joe amato
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mafa mag looks gr8
just picked up the mafa magazine,cant w8 to read it,great pictures of the fish,well done
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mafa or nafa?? U mean WAFM
mafa or nafa??
U mean WAFM mag....WA Fishing Magazine
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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glowys!
The jigs vibration and highly reflective prism tape does the job just nicely. If it wasnt effective i'd look at other alternatives/add ons like glowys but its not broken so no fixa!
Cheers Neels, yes theres always a few out there mate.....tad jelous perhaps!
Good to hear Joe, its being very well recieved and will be another winner issue for WAFM!
Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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Deepwater Frames!
We'll I've just handed over all my deepwater frames on Friday to Research!
If anyone is getting deepwater fish and they want their frames "picked up" then PM me and I'll give you his details and more info on whats going on with frame research!
My 27kg Bass Groper (pictured further up) had a Frame Weight of 19.78kg
Faulkner Family
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thats not a lot of fillet
thats not a lot of fillet left on a heavy fish. what sort of frames do the want, not that i have any or get any in the near future
, but what do you class as deep water , over 100mtrs or greater
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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Deepwater!
Yeh the fillet take versus frame weight on Bass is lower than normal, i do go around the stomach to preserve that area also!
For shallow water they're chasing WA Dhufish, Pink snapper and Baldchin groper in particular I think!
For deepwater ie 200m plus they're wanting Bass Groper, Blue Eye Trevalla, Hapuku, Ruby, Greybanded cod as the main ones in particular.
Faulkner Family
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whats this no greeneyes, jk
whats this no greeneyes, jk , good to clarify for those that were not too sure on "deep water"
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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ha ha
Green eyes taste great and recommend ppl taking them.....ha ha
Yep agree, some excellent research already done and I'm intrigued by some of the things already learnt about these species and how they're traveling at the moment!
I'll post up more details on this at a later date!