For those people that don't know me . Im a 61 year old dad of 6 kids thanks they have all grown up and been good respectful citizens of Western Australia. I grew up on a farm in bindoon area started shooting from a early age of 12 years with a air rifle on the farm and competing for wa police boys . I couldn't play the usual sports eg football or cricket due to a knee injury from a cow whilst miking . I did my trade as a butcher in midland and did a lot of home kills for farmers in the area as well as a pro shooter on stations .Im avid prac pistol shooter and love my sport but im now pissed that I will have to conform to this new proposal and it will affect alot of the jobs I do. PLEASE LOOK AT THIS AND HAVE A SAY thanks wayne .
Yes. Please put a submission in. The proposed changes will make it nearly impossible to be a recreational shooter unless you own a large property due to property letter changes. Also they are proposing to cancel your licence if your attitude, opinions, views, domestic living conditions or deemed not to be of good repute, annual physical and mental checks all being determined by a police officer. It is a massive over reach and not the Australia i grew up in.
What's to come next, registration on all your sharp knives, including steak knives because more people get stabbed to death than shot , seems enough reason for this Govt to legislate it
stiff fines if caught drinking on boat , silver linning is that the imposed demersal ban will protect the average fisher person question! where is it going to end?
Yo can still enjoy a beer whilst on the water, just sensibly same as if you were driving a vehicle on the road ! Pretty sure a couple of boating accidents down Mandurah way that didn't end well in the last few years were alcohol related.
Would think it will be much the same as in force in the east, the skipper has to be the sober one regardless of who is actually driving.
Personally I welcome it coming in as have seen and heard of some real beauties over the years. Take for example the skipper of a crayboat heading out from Two Rocks being that pissed he fell overboard while going through the entrance in calm condition, the boat went for about 1/2 a mile before decky woke up that he was alone . Another had 4 blokes out near the islands off Carnarvon who were that full they could even read the Gps to work out where home was and called sea rescue to bring them in
More than likely bow hunting will be banned next as it is happening now in South Australia. The proposed changes are simply a politicians attempt to be the next premier using shooters as a way to get cheap votes, using the guns are bad, catch phrase. Wa already has the toughest gun laws in Australia with very low gun crime rates. The minister states 316000 guns in WA is to many. Both Vic and NSW both have over 1 million registed firearms and nowhere near our land area. The property letter changes, which Western Australian is the only state that has this ridiculous requirement, will result in thousands of shooters having to surrender thousands of dollars worth of firearms as they will be deemed unlicensed and not subject to a buy back because the requirements are not obtainable. Thousands of dollars worth of your associated equipment, lights, optics, thermal imaging equipment, will be virtually worthless as the market will be flooded with shooters trying to sell it. Its a bit like saying you have to licence a fishing rod to a single beach with written permission from the beach owner registered on a police data base, a limit of five fishing rods per fisher, no public beach fishing, you can only use each licenced rod on that registered beach and only for the target rig cant change rigs from herring to Taylor. Cant use it anywhere else if your invited to a mates beach as it isn't licenced to be used there. Then you have to have a physical and mental check every year and if at any time we don't like your attitude we will seize your rods. Now you can pay a fee 10 times more than any other state
There is alot more to it but you get my point. It is a total disgrace and needs to be dumped and Wa bought into line with the rest of Australia under the National Firearms Agreement.
These are registered firearms held by law abiding people but the police/pollies try to justify this by saying there are too many guns on the street and then point to illegal incidents that occur.
Punishing the majority who do the right thing for the few acts of the minority is just insane.
They will bend over for the primary producer ( to not cause an uproar just like allowing school holidays to remain open for the demersal ban ) and muck the law abiding fella up that has an interest in rifles/shotguns etc...
I have a 1955 Brno Model 1 with a Weaver scope on it, both in virtually immaculate condition. I don't use it very often but its sentimental now to me, I'd like to buy a Model 5 in also very good condition and give oone each to my two boys when they are old enough to appreciate them and have their own firearms licence....
My point is, I'll have to weigh up what to hand in if they go ahead and make these changes.... For what reason??
I've got a Sako 250 that I've never put a shot through, I bought it off a former boss of mines widowed wife when he passed away too young...
I guess that has to go also..... Some would say, why have you got it, why not??? One day I'd like to rebarrell and reload for it and turn it into a tac driver but apparently I'm too dangerous with more than 5 in the safe....
I'll be looking into "primary production" and or joining a club and or looking into a pro pest certificate....
I found this out a week after I ordered a Tikka CTR 223.....
FK mongrels, Cook needs ten rifles jammed in his ass
I will most likely loose everything. I'm 58 and had my licence since I was 16. Under the new rules I will have to supply another property letter. My letter came from the Pilbara many years ago and I doubt I will be able to source another. Always shot by invite or pay to hunt properties but that won't be possible under the new rules. I have no interest in clubs, too many range Nazis's. I don't get it, 2 blokes can put on a dress and marry each other and everyone says good on you, but if I want to go and shoot a rabbit for the table there is something wrong with me.
Maybe the government is afraid they will get shot up the arse by Timboon... thats about the logic to it. Plenty of illegal guns out there in posession of those that don't give a shit about the law.
I'm 44 now and had my licence and rifles since 16 without incident.Mum used to park at local Charlie Carters back then to do late night shopping on the Thursday while I walked a few hundred metres down the street with me air rifle in its bag to the pcyc to shoot target run by the local cops.( was 13 then with the weapon on dad's licence) but all good.The good old days are definitely nearing the end.I'm probably a lucky one still having permission to shoot on large property's around home
That's my point. I was taught air rifle shooting in Hedland senior high school in 1981. We are now vilified by the media and a large section of the community while other minority groups are applauded. I have not had as much as a speeding ticket in the last 20 years. The tragic events of the last 24 hours, where a male known to police and out on bail still got hold of an unlicensed firearm makes a mokery of cracking down on law abiding firearms owners. Its a bit like cracking down on Pharmacies to stop the illegal drug trade. There is no logic to it and innocent people like me will pay the price for political ambition and will be forced to give up something they love and have done for years without hurting anyone. We just ask to be treated like the rest of Australia.
Well here's a perspective, a fellow student of my son's engineering class blew his brains out on campus last week. Took a loaded revolver on site and made a statement imo, he could have taken himself off into the bush but decided to do it in a very public place.
My son is absolutelty rattled and at a time when exams are on. A lot of people would have seen the aftermath and now have to deal with that shit for a lifetime.
I'm still shaking my head as to how he got his hands on as reported "a large revolver"
I don't really buy that last sentence Boon but it's largely true here in Oz. The NRA use words like that but in the US their gun laws are far to lenient and we know the results there.
I don't own any guns but I like shooting and respect the rights of lawful, legitimate gun owners. A good mate is often contacted by country councils to eradicate feral and other animals so he is actually providing a service. The changing rules here are part of a wider agenda without a doubt. A lot of this stuff comes down to senior police and what they want, then it becomes political like fishing bans. Pricks.
Dave, my last sentence is virtually aimed at America ( pardon the pun ), Canadians are outdoorsy people who hunt and fish and it's common for people to own firearms.
There is NOT a death by firearm problem in Canada.
Step over the border and it's a huge issue.
Politicians will use statistics to their advantage, suicide should not count in their statistics but no doubt they include it when it suits.
Back to my last sentence, it's the mentality of the gun owner. Where I grew up in coastal SA, every ute parked out the front of the pub would've had rifles/shotguns in it, unlocked and keys in the ignition. Fights were common in the bar but no one ran out wild west styles and started shooting.
Now, they are talking that having the security measures they have previously introduced isn't adequate enough. Give me a break.
It's a misconception there is some firearm issue in Australia, we are educated people who don't live in fear unlike America.
Guns don't kill people, guns will kill people when they get in the hands of undesirables, don't penalise law obiding citizens, get the crooks in jail.
Yeah we're on the same page there Boon. When I grew up in Geelong we all had air rifles and I got my first .22 at 12 and never shot a soul.
No one ever wants to be comapred to the US, especially when it comes to gun control! I'd have a few guns if I could do it easily and could be bothered but I really have no need.
I'm far more concerned here about some meth head going postal without a gun than I am about the potential for a licensed gun owner to do me or my family harm!
The amount of firearms isn't an issue to me ( anymore ) but having to get renewed station letters will be a problem.
I live in Kununurra and previously had 2 station letters. Those stations have changed hands and i don't know the new owners.
A consideration i am sure the firearm branch won't take into account is the lack of stations available in our area.The NT border is 50 KM east of us hence we really can only access ( North & west is 1 Station Carlton Hill )
Further West is ElQestro with a number of smaller stations south of us. EG most stations are 250000 hectares or bigger.
Question if the station you get is over a certain size is that good enough ? EG Carlton Hill is 1 million acres surely that is big enough !
The best Idea to keep firearms is to apply more political pressure to the current government rather than just rolling over.
The Law reform commission review of the Firearms Act back in 2016 had 145 firm but fair/balanced recommendations - the current Minister/Police have ignored around 5 of the key recommendations with the stated aim of making it too difficult for time-poor/financially-poor people to re-apply for 1/3 of the firearms in WA. (i.e. forcing the surrender of over $150million dollars worth of currently legally owned items without compensation).
The 5 ignored recomendations provided balance by being equitable and proportional. i.e. they didn't favour the rich/Landed-Gentry and they didn't place undue burden on licence holders that has no real impact on criminals, criminal use, or safety of the community.
If they get the proposals through without amendment, then there will be a lot of new club-memberships so that people can retain firearms while the class action against the Minister and the Police for full compensation is initiated,funded, and commenced, during the period of the next State Election.
OOH YEH
Posts: 390
Date Joined: 16/06/15
Please have a voice
For those people that don't know me . Im a 61 year old dad of 6 kids thanks they have all grown up and been good respectful citizens of Western Australia. I grew up on a farm in bindoon area started shooting from a early age of 12 years with a air rifle on the farm and competing for wa police boys . I couldn't play the usual sports eg football or cricket due to a knee injury from a cow whilst miking . I did my trade as a butcher in midland and did a lot of home kills for farmers in the area as well as a pro shooter on stations .Im avid prac pistol shooter and love my sport but im now pissed that I will have to conform to this new proposal and it will affect alot of the jobs I do. PLEASE LOOK AT THIS AND HAVE A SAY thanks wayne .
Gav475
Posts: 397
Date Joined: 16/11/11
Submission
Yes. Please put a submission in. The proposed changes will make it nearly impossible to be a recreational shooter unless you own a large property due to property letter changes. Also they are proposing to cancel your licence if your attitude, opinions, views, domestic living conditions or deemed not to be of good repute, annual physical and mental checks all being determined by a police officer. It is a massive over reach and not the Australia i grew up in.
Coastrunner
Posts: 424
Date Joined: 25/10/14
Massive over reach is an understatement
What next...I'll be putting my two bobs worth in for sure.
Fishing, free camping, 4wding, dirt bike riding and shooting all going to shit because the tree hugging, lefty woke shit that is todays noise.
carnarvonite
Posts: 8650
Date Joined: 24/07/07
Whats to come next
What's to come next, registration on all your sharp knives, including steak knives because more people get stabbed to death than shot , seems enough reason for this Govt to legislate it
Saulty2
Posts: 650
Date Joined: 28/05/10
just heard on the news
stiff fines if caught drinking on boat , silver linning is that the imposed demersal ban will protect the average fisher person
question! where is it going to end?
Marineboy
Posts: 842
Date Joined: 14/03/14
Not quite true saulty
Yo can still enjoy a beer whilst on the water, just sensibly same as if you were driving a vehicle on the road ! Pretty sure a couple of boating accidents down Mandurah way that didn't end well in the last few years were alcohol related.
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
carnarvonite
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Date Joined: 24/07/07
Skipper
Would think it will be much the same as in force in the east, the skipper has to be the sober one regardless of who is actually driving.
Personally I welcome it coming in as have seen and heard of some real beauties over the years. Take for example the skipper of a crayboat heading out from Two Rocks being that pissed he fell overboard while going through the entrance in calm condition, the boat went for about 1/2 a mile before decky woke up that he was alone . Another had 4 blokes out near the islands off Carnarvon who were that full they could even read the Gps to work out where home was and called sea rescue to bring them in
Gav475
Posts: 397
Date Joined: 16/11/11
Hunting
More than likely bow hunting will be banned next as it is happening now in South Australia. The proposed changes are simply a politicians attempt to be the next premier using shooters as a way to get cheap votes, using the guns are bad, catch phrase. Wa already has the toughest gun laws in Australia with very low gun crime rates. The minister states 316000 guns in WA is to many. Both Vic and NSW both have over 1 million registed firearms and nowhere near our land area. The property letter changes, which Western Australian is the only state that has this ridiculous requirement, will result in thousands of shooters having to surrender thousands of dollars worth of firearms as they will be deemed unlicensed and not subject to a buy back because the requirements are not obtainable. Thousands of dollars worth of your associated equipment, lights, optics, thermal imaging equipment, will be virtually worthless as the market will be flooded with shooters trying to sell it. Its a bit like saying you have to licence a fishing rod to a single beach with written permission from the beach owner registered on a police data base, a limit of five fishing rods per fisher, no public beach fishing, you can only use each licenced rod on that registered beach and only for the target rig cant change rigs from herring to Taylor. Cant use it anywhere else if your invited to a mates beach as it isn't licenced to be used there. Then you have to have a physical and mental check every year and if at any time we don't like your attitude we will seize your rods. Now you can pay a fee 10 times more than any other state
There is alot more to it but you get my point. It is a total disgrace and needs to be dumped and Wa bought into line with the rest of Australia under the National Firearms Agreement.
Brock O
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Date Joined: 11/01/08
Fuck Gav...hope fishing dont
Fuck Gav...hope fisheries dont read that...
Lefty 44
Posts: 158
Date Joined: 04/12/17
I will never understand.
These are registered firearms held by law abiding people but the police/pollies try to justify this by saying there are too many guns on the street and then point to illegal incidents that occur.
Punishing the majority who do the right thing for the few acts of the minority is just insane.
timboon
Posts: 2931
Date Joined: 14/11/10
Yep this is ridiculous, They
Yep this is ridiculous,
They will bend over for the primary producer ( to not cause an uproar just like allowing school holidays to remain open for the demersal ban ) and muck the law abiding fella up that has an interest in rifles/shotguns etc...
I have a 1955 Brno Model 1 with a Weaver scope on it, both in virtually immaculate condition. I don't use it very often but its sentimental now to me, I'd like to buy a Model 5 in also very good condition and give oone each to my two boys when they are old enough to appreciate them and have their own firearms licence....
My point is, I'll have to weigh up what to hand in if they go ahead and make these changes.... For what reason??
I've got a Sako 250 that I've never put a shot through, I bought it off a former boss of mines widowed wife when he passed away too young...
I guess that has to go also..... Some would say, why have you got it, why not??? One day I'd like to rebarrell and reload for it and turn it into a tac driver but apparently I'm too dangerous with more than 5 in the safe....
I'll be looking into "primary production" and or joining a club and or looking into a pro pest certificate....
I found this out a week after I ordered a Tikka CTR 223.....
FK mongrels, Cook needs ten rifles jammed in his ass
Gav475
Posts: 397
Date Joined: 16/11/11
Property letters
I will most likely loose everything. I'm 58 and had my licence since I was 16. Under the new rules I will have to supply another property letter. My letter came from the Pilbara many years ago and I doubt I will be able to source another. Always shot by invite or pay to hunt properties but that won't be possible under the new rules. I have no interest in clubs, too many range Nazis's. I don't get it, 2 blokes can put on a dress and marry each other and everyone says good on you, but if I want to go and shoot a rabbit for the table there is something wrong with me.
This whole system and government is a putrid joke
Swompa
Posts: 3847
Date Joined: 14/10/12
Whats two blokes getting
Whats two blokes getting married got to do with shooting?
Billcollector
Posts: 2032
Date Joined: 16/05/09
Maybe the government is
Maybe the government is afraid they will get shot up the arse by Timboon... thats about the logic to it. Plenty of illegal guns out there in posession of those that don't give a shit about the law.
Bodgy 79
Posts: 274
Date Joined: 04/08/22
I'm 44 now and had my
I'm 44 now and had my licence and rifles since 16 without incident.Mum used to park at local Charlie Carters back then to do late night shopping on the Thursday while I walked a few hundred metres down the street with me air rifle in its bag to the pcyc to shoot target run by the local cops.( was 13 then with the weapon on dad's licence) but all good.The good old days are definitely nearing the end.I'm probably a lucky one still having permission to shoot on large property's around home
Gav475
Posts: 397
Date Joined: 16/11/11
My point
That's my point. I was taught air rifle shooting in Hedland senior high school in 1981. We are now vilified by the media and a large section of the community while other minority groups are applauded. I have not had as much as a speeding ticket in the last 20 years. The tragic events of the last 24 hours, where a male known to police and out on bail still got hold of an unlicensed firearm makes a mokery of cracking down on law abiding firearms owners. Its a bit like cracking down on Pharmacies to stop the illegal drug trade. There is no logic to it and innocent people like me will pay the price for political ambition and will be forced to give up something they love and have done for years without hurting anyone. We just ask to be treated like the rest of Australia.
sea-kem
Posts: 14912
Date Joined: 30/11/09
Well here's a perspective, a
Well here's a perspective, a fellow student of my son's engineering class blew his brains out on campus last week. Took a loaded revolver on site and made a statement imo, he could have taken himself off into the bush but decided to do it in a very public place.
My son is absolutelty rattled and at a time when exams are on. A lot of people would have seen the aftermath and now have to deal with that shit for a lifetime.
I'm still shaking my head as to how he got his hands on as reported "a large revolver"
Something to ponder.
Love the West!
timboon
Posts: 2931
Date Joined: 14/11/10
That is fucked up Andy on so
That is fucked up Andy on so many levels and I'm sorry your boy has to be involved in that....
That sounds like something out of the US not Aus....
Would be interesting to know where that pistol came from, was it licenced etc....
How long will it be before people are 3D printing their own pistols??
They have been chipping away for years now, relicencing every year instead of a longer term licence etc etc....
Guns don't kill people, People kill people it is just thr firearm that gets the blame....
davewillo
Posts: 2339
Date Joined: 08/09/16
I don't really buy that last
I don't really buy that last sentence Boon but it's largely true here in Oz. The NRA use words like that but in the US their gun laws are far to lenient and we know the results there.
I don't own any guns but I like shooting and respect the rights of lawful, legitimate gun owners. A good mate is often contacted by country councils to eradicate feral and other animals so he is actually providing a service. The changing rules here are part of a wider agenda without a doubt. A lot of this stuff comes down to senior police and what they want, then it becomes political like fishing bans. Pricks.
PGFC member and lure tragic
timboon
Posts: 2931
Date Joined: 14/11/10
Dave, my last sentence is
Dave, my last sentence is virtually aimed at America ( pardon the pun ), Canadians are outdoorsy people who hunt and fish and it's common for people to own firearms.
There is NOT a death by firearm problem in Canada.
Step over the border and it's a huge issue.
Politicians will use statistics to their advantage, suicide should not count in their statistics but no doubt they include it when it suits.
Back to my last sentence, it's the mentality of the gun owner. Where I grew up in coastal SA, every ute parked out the front of the pub would've had rifles/shotguns in it, unlocked and keys in the ignition. Fights were common in the bar but no one ran out wild west styles and started shooting.
Now, they are talking that having the security measures they have previously introduced isn't adequate enough. Give me a break.
It's a misconception there is some firearm issue in Australia, we are educated people who don't live in fear unlike America.
Guns don't kill people, guns will kill people when they get in the hands of undesirables, don't penalise law obiding citizens, get the crooks in jail.
davewillo
Posts: 2339
Date Joined: 08/09/16
Yeah we're on the same page
Yeah we're on the same page there Boon. When I grew up in Geelong we all had air rifles and I got my first .22 at 12 and never shot a soul.
No one ever wants to be comapred to the US, especially when it comes to gun control! I'd have a few guns if I could do it easily and could be bothered but I really have no need.
I'm far more concerned here about some meth head going postal without a gun than I am about the potential for a licensed gun owner to do me or my family harm!
PGFC member and lure tragic
timboon
Posts: 2931
Date Joined: 14/11/10
Yep exactly Dave...
Yep exactly Dave...
Rob H
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Date Joined: 18/01/12
Link to draft your submission
Western Australian Firearms Community Alliance (wafca.com.au)
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
timboon
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Date Joined: 14/11/10
Thanks Rob, submitted
Thanks Rob, submitted
striker
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Date Joined: 26/09/14
Mines
Sent as well
Absolute overreach from Labour again
twicther
Posts: 200
Date Joined: 31/12/11
Gun Laws
Thanks Rob i have submitted also.
The amount of firearms isn't an issue to me ( anymore ) but having to get renewed station letters will be a problem.
I live in Kununurra and previously had 2 station letters. Those stations have changed hands and i don't know the new owners.
A consideration i am sure the firearm branch won't take into account is the lack of stations available in our area.The NT border is 50 KM east of us hence we really can only access ( North & west is 1 Station Carlton Hill )
Further West is ElQestro with a number of smaller stations south of us. EG most stations are 250000 hectares or bigger.
Question if the station you get is over a certain size is that good enough ? EG Carlton Hill is 1 million acres surely that is big enough !
Rob H
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Date Joined: 18/01/12
Link to E-petition, Firearms
https://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/Parliament/LCePetitions.nsf/petitions/23-0036
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
timboon
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Date Joined: 14/11/10
I'm looking for ideas to
I'm looking for ideas to keep my rifles and not hand anything in.
Any ideas?
Billcollector
Posts: 2032
Date Joined: 16/05/09
Shhhhhhh don't tell them how
Shhhhhhh don't tell them how many you've got....... the criminals certainly don't..
timboon
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Date Joined: 14/11/10
A couple might fall over
A couple might fall over board next time I go Dhu hunting
Breaksea
Posts: 22
Date Joined: 15/06/15
The best Idea to keep
The best Idea to keep firearms is to apply more political pressure to the current government rather than just rolling over.
The Law reform commission review of the Firearms Act back in 2016 had 145 firm but fair/balanced recommendations - the current Minister/Police have ignored around 5 of the key recommendations with the stated aim of making it too difficult for time-poor/financially-poor people to re-apply for 1/3 of the firearms in WA. (i.e. forcing the surrender of over $150million dollars worth of currently legally owned items without compensation).
The 5 ignored recomendations provided balance by being equitable and proportional. i.e. they didn't favour the rich/Landed-Gentry and they didn't place undue burden on licence holders that has no real impact on criminals, criminal use, or safety of the community.
If they get the proposals through without amendment, then there will be a lot of new club-memberships so that people can retain firearms while the class action against the Minister and the Police for full compensation is initiated,funded, and commenced, during the period of the next State Election.
Breaksea
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Date Joined: 15/06/15
The best Idea to keep
double post
Rob H
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Date Joined: 18/01/12
Firearms, Only a few hours
Firearms, Only a few hours to get your submission in
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
timboon
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Date Joined: 14/11/10
Cheers fellas
Cheers fellas