pe vs lb rating
Submitted by grayzeee on Mon, 2012-06-25 16:37
The pe rating
Great for knowing the exact amount of line to fit on your spool ,if you're that bothered about getting 300 meters over 285, but apart from that??
"i need a rod for PE 3-5 but i'll be running 3"
"pe 3 - 30lb?"
" no , pe-3 45lb"
I guess I'm trying to say I'd much rather know the breaking strain that the cross sectional thickness.
ahhhhhhhh. got it off my chest at last! 
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anypuddle
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true that
something about this PE thing really pees me off.
Anywhere anytime
AlwaysFishin
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Yeah I don't get the whole
Yeah I don't get the whole pe thingy. Just causes confusion in my head.. I don't see what's wrong with the standard lb breaking strain to gauge your line...
Bunny
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Yes it can be annoying. In
Yes it can be annoying. In the past each whole number was generally equal to 10lbs of line weight. PE 1 was 10lbs etc. I have some PE 2.5 rated at 50lb so that rule is well and truly long gone. It is also a bit risky And a little useless with rod ratings in my opinion. I would rather know the line class and more importantly max drag and best drag ratings at 45 degrees than a PE rating. Below is a conversion for anyone who may need it.
PE 0.6 ………………………….. 0.128mm
PE 0.8 ………………………….. 0.148mm
PE 1 …………………………….. 0.165mm
PE 1.2 ………………………….. 0.185mm
PE 1.5 ………………………….. 0.205mm
PE 1.7 ………………………….. 0.218mm
PE 2 …………………………….. 0.235mm
PE 2.5 ………………………….. 0.260mm
PE 3 …………………………….. 0.285mm
PE 3.5 ………………………….. 0.310mm
PE 4 …………………………….. 0.330mm
PE 5 …………………………….. 0.370mm
PE 6 …………………………….. 0.405mm
PE 7 …………………………….. 0.435mm
PE 8 …………………………….. 0.470mm
PE 10 …………………………… 0.520mm
PE 12 …………………………… 0.570mm
PE 14 …………………………… 0.620mm
PE 16 …………………………… 0.660mm
PE 18 …………………………… 0.700mm
PE 20 …………………………… 0.740mm
PE 22 …………………………… 0.780mm
PE 24 …………………………… 0.810mm
crasny1
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Rougly I agree
It was an effort to originally get used to the idea, but has become confusing with heavier BS lines being thinner. But you can still work it out. Lines still come in breaking strain, and I agree that rods should forget about PE ratings, because we need the BS not PE on our rods to match.
Recently I had some 50lb, ie "true" PE5 on my Stella. To keep up the quality I had a quality braid spooled (I think its was Galis Ultra jigman), with the "problem" that its was very thin, hence the PE number was PE3 from memory.
That ment the old rule of PE3 approx 30lb, 8 80lb etc no longer mattered. All it matered to me was that I got more line on the spool, cost me more to spool up, and I doubt with the fishing I do that I will ever go near that lenght of line (touch wood, never had the displeasure off being spooled).
But I agree, better to match rods etc in weight class rather than PE IMO. I use wts now and have forgotten PE for matching, but still talk in PE when talking about class of rod etc.
The Japanese brought this in to have something different on their lines originally, and it has stuck. It was a way of classifying fine silk because diameters mattered in the quality.
So yes, it can pee you off.
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pale ale
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Pisses me off too
Pisses me off too
MattMiller
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Geez,
if you guys hate it so much you could always go back to Ugly sticks, mono line and Penn Spinfishers?
beau
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Dont forget the burley blobs
Dont forget the burley blobs
UncutTriggerInWA
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What's wrong with PENN Spinfishers????
I use an 850 on my LB surf setup and it does a great job. At $100 if it screws up I can happily replace it. Same as if it goes overboard as has happened to at least ONE person I know in here LOL.
I also have 3 Ugly Stiks in my collection. I mostly use graphites now but the Uglies have caught a lot of fish in their time.
I will admit though that I have been converted from mono to braid...
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MattMiller
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Nothing necessarily
wrong with them except for being old tech, weigh a tonne and don't agree with braid.
Having said that they've caught a s*&tload of fish over the years and still do the job. Just not my cup of tea.
grayzeee
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Don't hate it , it's just so
Don't hate it , it's just so wide open , and everyone, after telling you they caught on pe-whatever, will always state breaking strain afterwards.
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till
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Sometimes its good to vent ;)
Sometimes its good to vent ;)
grayzeee
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thanks Jamie . just needed to
thanks Jamie . just needed to put it out there!
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crasny1
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The modern rods still have LB on them
And so do all reels. Reels dont state their "power" in PE, but in weight, and only refer to PE for spooling. Where in Stella SW does it mention PE??
Stella SWProduct CodeMono Cap. (kg/m)Capacity Power ProGear RatioRetrieve Per Crank cmBearingsDrag PowerDrag TypeWeightSTL5000SW5/24720/2226.2:110214+113FD400STL8000SW5/29740/2545.6:110714+123FD620STL8000SWPG5/29740/2544.9:19114+123FD620STL10000SW9/20150/3685.8:111914+122FD630STL18000SW14/25665/4305.7:112714+125FD825STL20000SW14/29280/4064.4:110414+125FD835
And then:
Just a brief about good quality rods and correct me if I am wrong, but I see weights again, even though on the rod it has PE, but it comes in a range. These are both quality, aint no Ugly sticks nor Spinfishers. So PE is modern and weights are primitive???
TheseamDetailsImageProduct CodeDescription
SRJIG10Samurai Reaction Spin Rod JIG10 50-80lb M/Fast
SRJIG12Samurai Reaction Spin Rod JIG12 60-100lb M/Fas
SRPOP10Samurai Reaction Spin Rod POP10 50-80LB M/Fast
SRPOP12Samurai Reaction Spin Rod POP12 60-100 M/Fasturai Reaction Spin Rod JIG10 50-80lb M/Fast
SNow correct me amuSamurai Reaction Spin Rod JIG10 50-80lb M/Fastrai Reaction Spin Rod JIG10 50-80lb M/FastSamurai Reaction Spin Rod JIG10 50-80lb M/Fast
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crasny1
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Oops
Graphs didnt come out right, but still I see no PE mentioned in these "Modern" examples.
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Yewiefish85
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might have something to do
might have something to do with the fact that samurai rods are aussie designed and not japanese
crasny1
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My point precisely
Its a Japanese thing. Do you mean that Japanese is better than Australian etc??
PE is commercial bragging rites about how thin their lines are. 50lb = 50lb as far as I am aware. You cant fish line rated comps with a line that rated PE5 , roughly 50lb, but actually breaks at 85lb because it is thin for strenght. It has to "test" at 50lb.
So PE only matters with spool capacity and not much use for anything else.
Like I said above, I do use it. I will pick a 50lb line with a lower PE to spool, not for more strenght, but for capacity and ease of using.
If I caught a trophy fish (rare for me) I would say the weight of line (still lb) and not PE, because that tells no-one anything. If its a low PE it might only state how far your valet stretches to buy the best possible thin line, and thats bragging about an entire different matter, certainly not the quality of capture.
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Yewiefish85
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Neels not wanting to start a
Neels not wanting to start a s*&t fight but last time i checked we live in a metric world here in Australia so shouldn't we refer to the breaking strain of our line in Kg?, every line class comp i have fished were in Kg not lb
Chris fish
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I've been thinking this for
I've been thinking this for ages, seen pictures ect yeah I got this on pe2, ok cool 20 or 30lb??? Turns a great fish on that line to meh that's good but not great that's why ill always state strength, I use the pe ratings so I can accurately guess how much line I'll fit on whatever reel( especially important for my shark reel because a thinner 50lb I may fit another 200m of the same strength line on)
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grayzeee
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^^ precisely ^^
^^ precisely ^^
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JohnF
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hahaha.....PE ratng is
hahaha.....PE ratng is actuall dead easy....its all diamter based which is what counts for capacity.....its the friggn yanks that complicate it by refusing to use PE rating and using breakage......
BTW Grayzee, how did you go wiht Chris and the FG knot? Will still have to have a beer with you one day!!!!!
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grayzeee
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good mate.I had it near with
good mate.
I had it near with the sebile vid , but Chris showed the proper finish. I'm a convert.
Loved the gt ,but it did always get caught on the line roller on the sustain. Just too bulky.
The PR sure is a purdy knot too, but $250 bucks for a bobbin ..... keep it.
(does FG stand for fu(k!n$ good?)
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Ben82
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Hey mate you don't need an
Hey mate you don't need an expensive bobbin to do a PR. I got the cheap $30 bobbin and it ties perfect knot's just need to know how to set it up. ie add a bit of wieght and how many wraps but it is really not that hard as with anything it's all about practice.
flangies
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$10 fly tying bobbin from
$10 fly tying bobbin from oceanside
bradz
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PE
I agree with you Grayzee.
I fully understand what PE is all about, but if all it is about is capacity and diameter then who cares what PE the fish was caught on. If the capacity is the main issue then instead of saying "I caught it on PE3 (45lb), why not say "I caught it on PE3, Stradic 4000. At least then you can say it has 250m of PE3.
As a standard measure of diameter it is great, but what bearing, if any, does it have when comparing captures... none. For manufacturers to say their PE3 is stronger is great for marketing, but that is about it.
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Rig
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Load
I agree with alot of you it's a load of BS. Rods should state max drag at 45 deg then you can choose what line you run
meglodon
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totally agree
totally agree