The Second Post - 3 Mile Experiences

Hello All,

Well, time has passed after my First Post (http://www.fishwrecked.com/forum/first-and-hopefully-not-last-post-full-edition) about my lack of local knowledge and experience relating to fishing the waters of WA after moving here from Queensland in December.  I thought I might update the knowledgeable FishWrecked Members about some of the recent experiences in the hope that these may provide insight that could assist other “newbys” in the nuances of trying to get the family a feed in waters you know nothing about.  I must say at the outset that a lot of my motivation was about trying to stop the torments of immediate family members - “where are these fish that you spend so much time chasing”, “I want slabs not bites”, “you got the wrong boat as you can’t go far enough to get us decent fish”, “how much cash are you going to spend on your fishing gear with no return”?  I am sure many of you are all too aware of these types of comments!

So, where I left off in the First Post was to concentrate on the dawn and dusk and see how we went.  I had proven that the 5m Quintrex Hornet Trophy had the required navigation gear to do this successfully when the conditions were right.  The real problem is that over the past months the conditions have rarely been right and I have gained an appreciation as to why Perth is called the Windy City.

Based on the local knowledge and experience I had gained so far, I saw a real need for an “all round” combination that would catch anything from the Sand Whiting to the Sampson Fish.  This need was also brought about by my interest in fishing the MAAC monthly competitions where there is a real incentive to catch the maximum number of different species whereby I didn’t want to have heaps of different gear for this purpose.  After much research and internet reviews I settled on a Shimano Stradic CI4+ 4000 spooled with 300m of Diawa Accure Tournament 30lb 8 strand braid fitted to a Storm PE3 Jig Stick.  What a lovely little light combo that could land most things as long as you fought the fish.  I don’t eat the things so it is all about the sport for me.

Another thing that my limited local knowledge and experience had suggested, and following a number of posts, was the importance of burley.  It is not something I had routinely used fishing the beaches and running rivers but I could see the real need for it in the reef environments off Perth Metro.  So, it was off to Nana’s to see if she still had one of those old style mincers (the cast iron ones that you anchor to a bench and they can just about mince anything with a bit of elbow grease).  Hooray, I could get one and it is now a much loved item of my ever growing fishing equipment.  The burley making however is not a much loved event of the family as I do it out the back and let’s just say it creates the odd impact or two on the local amenity in the way of air quality.

Off to the pet food shop and I purchased 25kg of chook pellets as a base for the burley.  Off to the tackle shop to buy tuna oil with aniseed.  Off to the fridge to pull out all the old bags of bait, small fish kept for dead baits and fillets of those less than desirable eating quality fish, collection of those old frames that had been frozen for disposal on bin day.  In the end, I ended up with pellets, oil, whiting (whole and fillets), pilchards, squid, prawns, octopus, Skippy fillets and various offcuts from all sorts of things.  The mincer got a real workout as I created a bucket load of brown smelly paste that I then mixed and mixed and mixed.  Loaded it up into sealable plastic bags so the roll would fit into my burley bomb and then into the freezer to become rock solid.  Experience with using it suggests that if you make it right it lasts between 2 and 3 hours.  One lesson however is don’t use too many pellets – it makes the mix too crumbly and lasts about 15 minutes – make sure there is plenty of fish and other solid flesh to get a thick toothpaste type of consistency, and grind the pellets up as well.

Anyway, the alarm clock is permanently set on 4.30am and the wind forecasting web sites are reviewed many times a day to pick those meteorological abnormalities where winds are light and seas are small around the dawn and dusk time frames.  Luckily there have been a few such occurrences over the past couple of months.

The following is a gallery of some of the recent captures and a bit of commentary.  Note that these have all been caught on the 3 Mile Reef in about 10m-12m of water – shows that you don’t have to always go a long way to get some decent fish although the desire to go a bit further afield is growing more and more. 

The first fish with my new rod and reel.

 

A nice Sampson at first light.

 

Skipjack Tuna at dusk - what a good fight that was.

The bag on the night we got the Tuna.

A good sized flathead - this was the only fish not caught at the 3 Mile - got him in about 30m with a live slimy on the drift.

A school of Skippy that liked our burley.

A bag from a night fishing with the nephew and kids.

Sarah's Sambo.

Luke's 700mm pinky - I rate this as the premium catch so far.

The bag from the night we got the big pinky.

Luke's first legal Dhu.  We had caught about half a dozen or more undersized, including a 480mm, so it was good to finally land this 580mm specimin.

The bag on the night we got the legal Dhu.

This one inspired us to go and get some cray pots.

A "heart starting" Sambo and sign of things to come.

The biggest Skippy caught so far.

Double 600mm pinks.  The Sambo, big Skippy and these two made for a great morning.

I reckon Snook are the mongrels of the sea.  They always come on just after dark and smash your mono.  We have lost good fish because of line damage caused by these bastards.  At least I have a use for them in the cray pots now.  Those Harlequin are quality eating fish though.

Unusual catch day - a big Wobby, a Spangaled Emperor, and a big mongrel Snook.

The 430mm Spangled - needed to ask for confirmation as they really shouldn't be this far South.

Our first legal cray from the 3 Mile.

 

A few of the “golden rules” I have picked up using my limited, although growing, local knowledge and experience are as follows.

  • Burley long and hard.  Get a slick going and keep feeding it with “chunks” but don’t overdo it and feed the fish – you want their interest only.
  • Burley works best at anchor, and make sure the burley is in your fishing zone.
  • Always have a floating bait out and only let out enough line so the bait won’t hit the bottom – or better still, free spool until it hits the bottom and then set again.
  • Learn how to rig a snelled hook set as whole pilchard bait presentation is much better than on gangs.
  • Expect to lose some gear as there are some ocean “beasts” attracted to the burley that you will just struggle to stop.
  • Pilchards are a really good bait that most things like.  Yes they go soft, yes they come off easily, yes they are stinky and sloppy but you do get really good results.
  • When the sun is up it is the playtime of the wrasse and parrot – it is only the odd black arse we have caught on the shallow near shore reefs during the day, in amongst the thousands of red and brown nuisances.
  • You can catch big fish with little hooks but you can only foul hook “little” fish with big hooks.
  • Big Sampson Fish like little live wrasse.  Sampson Fish are not worth keeping but are great sport.
  • Use solid mono leader and avoid all weak points – attaching a hook with a loop just doesn’t work on big fish and we have lost many because of this – spend the time on tying the pana properly.
  • Watch out for cray pots in the dark – always best to try and plan your dusk and dawn trips in pairs so you can see and note the positions of the cray pots in the afternoon and set your morning course to avoid them.
  • Be very wary of charter boats – see: http://fishwrecked.com/forum/seeing-eye-dog-needed-charter-boat-skipper
  • Behave yourself at the boat ramp and be courteous to others – see: http://fishwrecked.com/forum/rampies

The images show that we have been generally lucky and have landed some nice fish from near shore waters.  We have put the effort in though and it is good to see that you can get the rewards when you do.  I still feel that we are complete novices and have a lot to learn.

It is fair to say that I have nothing but admiration for the WA waters and am looking forward to continuing the adventure.  I do hope this post can inspire other new to WA fishers as it is an aquarium out there.

Good luck to all.  Mick

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Nice Fish

Sat, 2014-04-19 12:01

 Some nice fish there & some good advice. Nice to see the family enjoying it all too. I dont know what the spanglie is doing there. Might be lost.  

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Good report

Sat, 2014-04-19 12:17

Mick C, great report, great photos and some very good fishing advice and information, great to see info like this on this website, it helps a lot of fishos improve their knowledge and skills and improve their catch rates. Well done, keep the reports coming, good to read and enjoy.

Cheers

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You pretty much...

Sat, 2014-04-19 12:43

...touched upon everything a shallow(ish) offshore angler should know about fishing local waters...for those of us down Rocko/Mandurah way, this info applies to the Five Fathom Bank as well!

 

Obviously Mick, you really have it wired but as a suggestion you could bring out another outfit and flick softies around while waiting for the bait to work...everything you've posted up will go a sp so if you're keen to mix it up a bit, that's a good way to go!

 

PS: Just noticed the leccy motor on your bow...I'd be using that bad boy to slow troll Halco/Rapala divers for pinkies...slow and quiet, just like the yakkers!

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Good Calls

Sat, 2014-04-19 17:39

Thanks for the advice.  We have just recently started to flick the plastics while the red and brown mongrels are still on the bite.  So far we have picked up one Harlequin and a lot of strikes without hookups.  Been using the Gulp Pilchard on 3/4oz jig heads in 3/0 but any suggestions on gear would be appreciated.

It is fair to say that I have a lot of time for my Minn Kota - the kids torment the wife that her spot in bed is going to get taken by Minn.  I have only really used the spot lock feature, and what a good feature it is, however I know you can record a trolling track (up to 3 miles) and then set the speed (in mph) for it to follow the track using GPS technology.  No doubt it is worth a go setting up the track over and between the bombies to troll the divers.  Any chance of advice regarding the best speed for the troll?

Thanks again.

Mick 

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Plastics...

Sat, 2014-04-19 18:43

...3/0, 4/0 good all around sizes and if you can, try to go lighter with the jighead weight. I regularly fish the back of the five, depths ranging 16-20 meters, and getting away with 1/4 ounce. The snapper in particular like a slow sinking "natural" appearance but ultimately the drift/current may force you to go heavier.

 

Gulp pilchard colour = good choice, in fact all the neutrals like browns and greens work well. Of course plenty on here have scored with bright stuff, like the good 'ol Nuclear Chicken!

 

For snapper trolling (and I have NO experience with leccys) my not-so-educated guess would be somewhere around 2 knots and a smallish diver that would get a bit of depth at that speed would be a Rapala Xrap in the 15 or 20 sizes.

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Great post Mick, what was the

Sat, 2014-04-19 13:33

Great post Mick, what was the fish jumpin in the last pic?

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A Dolphin tim-o

Sat, 2014-04-19 17:43

Not normally happy to see these guys when I am fishing as the bite always goes to s*&t.  It was a beautiful day on the water and this pod of about 30 odd came through jumping to their hearts content.  I got some long range photos with the phone, and although not great resolution I couldn't resist posting the one with Perth City in the background. 

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Thanks for the good post

Sat, 2014-04-19 17:40

There is nothing like the enjoyment of fishing with the family and bringing home some good fish well done.

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 Well done Mick, some good

Sat, 2014-04-19 20:07

 Well done Mick, some good captures there. 

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 Well done Mick on a very

Sat, 2014-04-19 20:18

 Well done Mick on a very good read and decent fish pics. I'm in the same position as yourself trying to sus out the decent marks not too far out with the kids on board and trying to be one step ahead of the winds and swell. Do you launch from ocean reef? This would be my closest harbour to launch but have always found it to be quite swelly around the opening of the harbour which deters me a little at times with the little ones on board. How long does it take to steam out to the 3 mile mark? Is it directly out from Ocean reef or is there a set co-rods you use?

Apologies for all the newbie questions....

Cheers Stewart

 

 

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Hillarys

Sun, 2014-04-20 11:50

Stewart,

I live near the Hillarys ramp so use it most times.  I have heard that Ocean Reef can be subject to swell but the times I have been there the conditions have been good (light wind, low swell) and I have had no problems.  I believe there are good lead lines out of Ocean Reef that can get you through the nearshore reef with little risk - on good days.

3 Mile Reef is a long linear structure running from about Scarborough to near Mindarie.  As its name suggests it is approximately 3 miles from the coast.  It is not the breaking reef that is visible from the coast, you need to go through that and go approximately 1 more mile.  The reef is clearly visible on chart plotters with navigation cards.  I have no special spots, just pull up on likely structure and give it a go.  How long it takes to get there depends on the conditions.

It does seem to fish quite well but as always depends on times, tides, baits, rigs, etc, etc.  Happy to answer any questions that you have however as noted in the post, I am just a novice.

Mick 

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Always appreciate the time a

Sun, 2014-04-20 08:05

Always appreciate the time a member puts in to write up something of this quality, cheers it was a great read & not the usual perspective you get.

The old school mincers are worth their weight in gold, I used to add beach sand to the 'home brew' & make golf ball sized balls into the freezer ready for a trip to the shallow stuff. Throwing a few out wide then a steady supply closer in with the sand sinking them down through the water column worked well (but then I didn't attach a berley bucket) which is obviously proving you well.

You will have 3 mile pinky's wired in no time by the looks

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Those snook are awesome bait

Sun, 2014-04-20 08:56

Those snook are awesome bait for big pinkies mate!!!
If too big, cut it in half and slap on a 2 hook gang!

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 Good write up mate, somehow

Sun, 2014-04-20 10:08

 Good write up mate, somehow missed the first one also but love seeing the progression of catch rates. As you say, time on the water is everything.

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 Thanks mate!Awesome post. Im

Sun, 2014-04-20 11:41

 Thanks mate!

Awesome post. Im sure everyone got something out if it. 

Pity all fishos arent gentleman like you!

Cheers and happy easter to all!

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 Thanks a lot for the much

Sun, 2014-04-20 18:51

 Thanks a lot for the much needed information Mick, very much appreciated. I was having a play around with my GPS and have marked the 3 mile reef so I hope to get out and give it a go as soon as the weather is right, maybe early tomorrow morning! 

Thanks Again,

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such a great read and some

Mon, 2014-04-21 07:41

such a great read and some good pointers in your post. well done on your catches 

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 Was this of of Hillary's at

Mon, 2014-04-21 14:07

 Was this of of Hillary's at the three mile ?

 

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Yes, Hillarys

Mon, 2014-04-21 18:00

Tim,

Yes, but we head north and south as there is good ground in both directions.

Mick 

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Great post Mick

Mon, 2014-04-21 17:20

Thanks for the info Mick. Some really useful info there, and great to see the family enjoying the fishing. I have just spent 3days of Easter (couldn't get out Friday or we would have) out with my 11yr old daughter and her grandfather. Only catching bread and butter species, but she loves it. Couldn't wipe the smile off her face when she skippered the boat all the way home and even pulled us up to the finger jetty.

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Nice One

Mon, 2014-04-21 18:04

Yep, it is fantastic when the kids get into fishing.  The only trouble is that Luke regularly outfishes me so you have to put up with the torments.  My young daughter fished her first competition last weekend and the happiness when she landed her first fish was infectious - she got a break sea at 29cm and if it had been one cm longer she would have scored more points than her brother - bugger. 

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 Ok thanks mick 

Mon, 2014-04-21 19:48

 Ok thanks mick 

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Seem to be doing well there.

Tue, 2014-04-22 08:04

Seem to be doing well there. Nice range of fish from in close.

Just a heads up, cant really tell from the photo, need to clip the crays tail or punch a hole in the central flap or they may not let you keep them. Not having a go just a heads up to someone new to WA.

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Cheers Choc

Tue, 2014-04-22 18:55

I am aware of the rule but to be honest, in all the excitement of getting our first legal WA cray we forgot all about it - will remember in the future for sure, thanks.  Funny that fisheries didn't mention it though as they surveyed our catch at the ramp on the day.  I think the people were the "surveyors" rather than the "inspectors" as they didn't seem to know much about the rules.

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few good tips there. good

Tue, 2014-04-22 10:42

few good tips there. good post
Grab a smoker and smoke those snook fillets - you won't think there such mongrels then - they taste great fresh or smoked but don't freeze well - they do tend to spin and mess up your rigs at times though

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 You seem to have it sorted

Sun, 2014-05-11 21:23

 You seem to have it sorted Mick. 

Can I just ask about your use of burley? I have used burley when beach fishing for herring and so on, but never for demersals from a boat. I have always just drifted over the lumps and hoped a figs would be there. So how exactly do you do it? Do you have one of those burley masher things on the back of your boat? Surely that's just for fishing on the surface.   Or do you get the burley to the bottom somehow? Burley cage (herring style)? Or do you send one of those big burley things down your anchor line?

thanks for your help