squidgy plastics and s factor

I am going to be using some squidgy soft plastics for the first time on saturday (glow wrigglers / phosphorus / frostbite / white lightening) targeting dhu and baldchin.  is it worth rubbing that tube of "S Factor" on the plastic?  Does it make a difference, or just extra work, resulting in  less time that he jig is in the water?

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Hey Randall we used to

Thu, 2012-08-23 18:56

Hey Randall we used to smother our bait in this red glittery stuff we called the 'Sauce' and I reckon it made a differance. Can't buy the stuff anymore. Give it a go can't hurt and let us know.

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see, i won't be able to tell

Thu, 2012-08-23 19:00

see, i won't be able to tell you if it makes a difference, because I am a jigging novice!  there is so much scope there for technique improvement that using this stuff might mean jack shit!  just want to know if its a waste of time?

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I'm not going to lie s factor

Thu, 2012-08-23 19:17

I'm not going to lie s factor makes a huge difference for me, I use it on a heap of my other plastics mostly, I have a dickload of squidgie plastics that havent been touched but the s factor tube is missing lol. This is landbase and inshore fishing I wouldn't have a clue about demersals. I'd imagine the wrasse would smash em

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 Thats all to do with the

Thu, 2012-08-23 19:37

 Thats all to do with the tackle store... ya cant buy the sfactor on its own so the guys doing the comps etc(that already have an abundance of sps) will buy the pack, remove the s-factor and donate the pack back.... Ol mate Tim at bluewater morley ussually uses these as giveaways on demo nights.. good on him.. If this isnt the case Id be getting onto starlo about it!!!

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Oh sorry I meant I use the

Thu, 2012-08-23 19:53

Oh sorry I meant I use the tubes of s factor on all my other plastics, apart from the wrigglers im not a huge fan of their range

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 Yep.. I know what ya mean...

Thu, 2012-08-23 19:57

 Yep.. I know what ya mean... but so many say berkley is bait not plastic!!! that s factor is gold.. theres a reason they dont sell it on its own!!! good marketting

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 what, no Zmans? 

Thu, 2012-08-23 21:29

 what, no Zmans? 

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Im always a Zman man! Zman

Fri, 2012-08-24 06:59

Im always a Zman man! Zman ElaZtech is a remarkable material that is soft and pliable yet it is as much as 10X tougher than other brands of soft baits!
Some of my favourite Zman 10X TOUGH plastics include the ever-versatile 2.5inch Zman Grubz, the very hardy Zman 4inch Curly Tailz, a fantastic style plastic with a minnow shaped body incorporated with a curly grub-style tail! Lately this plastic has excelled for myself catching me species such as Skipjack Trevally, Australian Salmon and Tailor. This Zman 10X TOUGH plastic is also a proven inshore Snapper slayer. Rigged with a 1/4 or 3/8 TT jighead you can't go wrong.
Another of my favourites is the 9inch Zman Grubz. Rigged with a lightweight TT jighead this plastic makes for a great drifting plastic! This time of year the Snapper have moved inshore and the Zman 9inch Grubz is a great plastic plastic to slowly send down your burley trail, put the rod in the rod holder and let the boat do all the work, of course while you work another plastic in the Zman range with another rod! With one smart move you've just doubled your chances at catching that fish of a lifetime!

Your local tackle store should stock a vast range of Zman plastics, and if they dont, tell em to!!
Make sure to tell them Beau sent you!

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 Hahahahahhahaha ok now

Fri, 2012-08-24 07:45

 Hahahahahhahaha ok now surely you have been sponsored

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Haha actually dont say Beau

Fri, 2012-08-24 08:11

Haha actually dont say Beau sent you coz you'll just look like an idiot

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cheers

Thu, 2012-08-23 19:24

cheers

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Just ask Lloyd... he uses s

Thu, 2012-08-23 19:37

Just ask Lloyd... he uses s factor as sunscreen when he goes fishing.. and catches good fish! Definately helps, can't hurt!

 

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 throw a sp around in the

Thu, 2012-08-23 19:39

 throw a sp around in the swan... then put some sfactor on it... the blowies will tell ya how great it is!!!!

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 Throw a pair of dirty coon

Thu, 2012-08-23 20:24

 Throw a pair of dirty coon undies in the river and the Blowies eoll

Still eat them

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 dirty coon undies.. aint

Thu, 2012-08-23 21:18

 dirty coon undies.. aint seen a free pair o them since my days trucking through Meeka!!! reckon theyd be the ultimate blowie busters!!!

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Unfortunately, the smelly,

Thu, 2012-08-23 21:04

Unfortunately, the smelly, sticky crap works. So does bait.......yes, I use it when desperate.

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It was developed to get fish

Thu, 2012-08-23 21:17

It was developed to get fish to eat their medicine in aquaculture circles.Bloody oath it works.Smear some on your plastic and watch the wrasse rip it to pieces...

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Hotdogs, you are the S factor

Thu, 2012-08-23 21:45

Hotdogs, you are the S factor master!!!!!! I can smell you coming for a mile! Haha

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S-factor, gulp 'marinate', Iv

Thu, 2012-08-23 21:52

S-factor, gulp 'marinate', Iv heard the aquaculture origin story too, it works, especially at night, when wrasse are asleep, the glow gulps help as does a lumo bead on the leader. Iv caught fish, occy, cuttlefish at night on gulps, twitch and let it sit, most fish pick it up, suck it in and when you lift, bang you set the hook. Even if left to sit in the rod holder, fish still hit them. Without the smell and taste, fish are likely to spit it out quickly once they realise that its not food. Otherwise, a constant worked placcy on frenzy or ambush predators doesnt req so much of the taste and smell, its the lure action that gets em. This is what I have found so far and I have only just started to use placcys, very productive and fun way of fishing imo

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Scent

Sat, 2012-08-25 13:25

 Plenty of other scent variations available especially from the states, i have a few on order to test.

Oh and a Z-man fan also, only placcy that can really handle a few cranky barra with out getting torn up

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Onya Ken Dawwg

Sat, 2012-08-25 16:16

Onya Ken Dawwg

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Lessons learnt - day one

Sun, 2012-08-26 10:04

Lessons learnt - day one without using fresh bait:

 

I can't wait to pick up my dedicated 15 kg Ugly Stick Bluewater rod / stradic 5000 loaded with 15lb jigging braid from layby at Campbells, because my heavy overhead is an OVERKILL!; and

The convenience of true plastics as opposed to Gulp baits is my preference.  Changing the plastics is so much easier and cost effective because off all the colours / styles I tried yesterday, the only ones that have gone in the bin at the end of the day are the Gulp because it dried out hanging on the bait board (where the plastics don't) and one glow wriggler that got tailed.  All the others are still on their jig heads ready for next time; and

I need a bigger sea anchor to slow the drift down!

(and I need to find the fish, although my deckie did catch a couple of undersize snapper on frest bait)

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I would have thought 15lb was

Sun, 2012-08-26 13:20

I would have thought 15lb was quite light, especially on that gear?

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yes it would be....should

Sun, 2012-08-26 13:47

yes it would be....should read 15kg!

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 how did the combo go,

Sun, 2012-08-26 10:53

 how did the combo go, randall? its all about persistence with plastics. some days you will kill the pig, others will be slow! 

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convinced the missus that the

Wed, 2012-08-29 12:20

convinced the missus that the jigging combo should become my birthday present!  picking it up today!  As the man on the Sea World jetski would say, "I'm excited!"

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I haven't got my jigging

Sun, 2012-08-26 11:47

I haven't got my jigging combo yet...still paying it off (slowly).  using my heavy duty boat rod (25kg) and tld 25!  OVERKILL!  the other thing is drift, even with two ounce jig heads in 45 mtrs struggling to get it to the bottom, some of that will be improved with using lighter (thinner) braid but a big thing will be slowing the boat down with a much more efficient sea anchor.  i only picked up a small flat head on the jig.  i got a small snapper on a baited hook just above an octo jig on another rig that i had sitting in the rod holder (was hoping for KG or dhu).  my deckie got a 46 cm pinkie and another slightly smaller one on baited hooks.  the only other boat we spoke to while we were waiting at the ramp queue when we came in had similar luck, so I don't know if it was a great fishing day as far as keepers were concerned.  it was however a great day to be on the water.  and I did persist!  resisted the urge to chuck on a big arse hook and sinker all day!

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Good feedback Randall. Was it

Sun, 2012-08-26 13:25

Good feedback Randall. Was it a strong drift or do you reckon your sea anchor is too small? I'm going to be going through the same learning curve soon so any hands on experience is good to hear.

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 Go and see Oceanside for one

Sun, 2012-08-26 13:36

 Go and see Oceanside for one of the drift anchors they have on sale atm...

http://fishwrecked.com/forum/new-mare-nostrum-jig-rods-new-ajn-jig-rods-new-jig-bags-big-delivery-jigging-master-gear-plus-

I got one, the next size up for my boat under their advice, all pre-rigged, and it stopped it in its tracks... I only bought the canvas one and its one of the easiest sea anchors ive ever deployed

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That was what I was thinking

Sun, 2012-08-26 13:46

That was what I was thinking Troy. The one I have at the moment slows it down nicely in a reasonable breeze current etc for bottom boucing. But I'm guessing for jigging you'd want to slow it right down?

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Technique is everything when

Wed, 2012-08-29 11:21

Technique is everything when it comes to plastics. and knowning when your on the bottom or close to.

 

my pick of plastics around metro are the Mcarthy's (altho you almost cant buy them anymore). Zman's are the next best thing.

For me, at the moment im using a Tournment master 3-7 i think. With a Luvias 3000 with PE 1.5. Pretty light but not bad!

Got some 7-8kg dhu's up on it the other weekend.

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the sea anchor is definitely

Wed, 2012-08-29 12:18

the sea anchor is definitely too small, but even in water current that aint going to help, probably make things worse as the water will pull the boat along quicker.  its all about reducing the wind effect as far as sea anchors are concerned.

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No need for a sea anchor in

Wed, 2012-08-29 13:44

No need for a sea anchor in my book, just get friendly with reverse gear!

You'll put some serious hours on your motor, but mine is rarely off between when I leave port and return

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Haha thats what I do when u

Wed, 2012-08-29 22:01

Haha thats what I do when u hit a good patch, the outboard intake nearly cops water when the seas are up! Need a tough electric motor that can be set to hold a position via gps, seenem for bream tournament boats, happy with a spot, lock it in and it holds you there

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seriously...  

Wed, 2012-08-29 22:07

seriously...   would something like that have the oooommmppphhh to hold a 5m runabout in position against a decent breeze? say up to 10 knts?

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Only seen it on tv on a

Wed, 2012-08-29 22:14

Only seen it on tv on a tournament boat wasnt windy, on a river, prob impracticle on a larger scale, tougher motor and enough battery power to do the job and for the time needed. Would be a far more effecient way of productivly fishin tho, drift, find, stay, catch, move on, do it again

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just need to wire in the same

Wed, 2012-08-29 22:22

just need to wire in the same technology into a 75hp honda 4 stroke! ;p

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Squidgie wriggler and zman

Thu, 2012-08-30 10:07

Squidgie wriggler and zman grubz as a drifter produced the goods again this morning. Upload photos later :)

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Sound snaps? Same spot as

Thu, 2012-08-30 13:14

Sound snaps? Same spot as last time?

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Nah different

Thu, 2012-08-30 16:44

Nah different

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Novice question

Tue, 2014-02-11 10:06

Hi,

I bought my first set of Zman soft plastic yesterday. they are smeared with smelly oily stuff bout the size of a Mulie. My question is... and sorry if im asking in the wrong place, are squidgys only meant to be reeled in, or could i set up a tailor rig (same as you do with bait) and let them sit there until you get a bite?

I'm assuming the answer is no, but the things look so real and stink like the town bicycle's nether regions so i thought i would ask the question.

Thanks,

oh and hello to everyone.

 

Larry

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Soft plastics generally need

Thu, 2014-02-13 10:57

Soft plastics generally need some action or motion to be effective- you are trying to imitate a bait fish, prawn or whatever.  Having said that, the Gulp soft plastics do work when used as bait.

Regarding the Z Man plastics:  I've had good results in the past on tailor (and Salmon), using Z Man Grass Kickerz and Streakz, on either 1/2oz TT jig heads (surf) or on Owner flasy swimmer jig heads in 3/16oz (estuary), when using a fast, irregular twitching retrieve.  Both these plastics are also brilliant surface lures when used unweighted on either Aberdeen or wide gape style worm hook.  I usually spray a little Gulp or Yum scent into the Z Man packets too!