Tailor bag limit
Submitted by spook on Fri, 2012-07-06 09:12
I was wondering what everyone's opinion was on being able to take 8 tailor. They don't freeze well and need to be eaten quite soon or they go a bit mushy. 2 over 40cm and 1 over 50 has to be enough as they are available fresh off the beach near to most people. We are having a good run lately and it would be nice to keep the stocks right up so its like this all the time.
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Chris fish
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I keep a lot of tailor over
I keep a lot of tailor over winter for shark baits during summer so that way I if I don't get a fresh bait illl use a frozen one, winter ones are bigger so are a better bait to. If bled and filleted well I find they freeze well and I'll eat them fairly often if I have no other fish in the freezer.
It's only in winter when the big numbers of larger fish are around and they always come back each year, even still most people only get 2 or 3 decent ones a night. The smaller ones in summer where people take there limit each night are the ones that are more vulnerable I think but I'm no expert just my opinion.
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brenz
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Yep tailor are great bait
Yep tailor are great bait
Rig
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Bait
+3 bait
rails8291
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Good bait
++4 bait
thebrett
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if u cook them the way we do
if u cook them the way we do u will love them, but must be eaten fresh, not frozen, posting recipes soon
brenz
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they do taste good .. but
they do taste good .. but much better used as bait for even better tasting stuff
TonyT
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ive used tailor as fillet
ive used tailor as fillet baits, but no real success on them yet, find they get picked at to often by the smaller fish and also after 15 mins its too mushy and doesnt present to well on the hook, any tips or just chucked it out whole on a slide?
TonyT
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ive used tailor as fillet
ive used tailor as fillet baits, but no real success on them yet, find they get picked at to often by the smaller fish and also after 15 mins its too mushy and doesnt present to well on the hook, any tips or just chucked it out whole on a slide?
fishon
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Agreed tony t if they get
Agreed tony t if they get left out for a while they go to mush !!
UncutTriggerInWA
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Some people have families Spook.
The bag limits are what they are and allow for people who fish for someone other than themselves. Those of us who only fish for ourselves generally catch and release unless we decide we need some decent bait as mentioned above. The large Tailor are the breeders and the ones which need to be sustained. Smaller Tailor are just a part of the food chain.
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sherbert
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Bait for me
Used them to catch bigger fish on the boat or beach, Mullaway love them ////But try mackie belly its better for mullaway and stays on the hooks well
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joe amato
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bait all tailor are good for imo
bait all tailor are good for imo,but every1 to their own,also sherbs your comment on mackeral belly for mulloway sounds interesting,never thought of that before,is it because they are oily aswel?but i like spanish mackeral taste over tailor anyday
MattMiller
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Don't see any
issue whatsoever with our current bag limit of 8. It used to be 20 and still is on the whole east coast.
JohnF
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Well, at the risk of
Well, at the risk of upsetting the rednecks (hahaha......take a joke fellas) I recon its a shame to keep up to 8 fish that are great to catch but average to eat. Limit of 2 to 4 makes more sense to me. Keeping 8 for bait....well, sorry, but that aint fishing for the future.
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MattMiller
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Each to their own John
not everyone has access to a boat or live in the north of our state.
Any half decent cooking skills will turn a slab of fresh Tailor into a fantastic meal
beau
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Spot on Matt, in with you on
Spot on Matt, I'm with you on that one
Rig
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theres plenty
theres plenty around if you know where to look
Chris fish
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There sure is, I struggle to
There sure is, I struggle to find herring but tailor a can get fairly easily usually 3 or more each time I try and that's year round if you move around to find them.
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JohnF
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Haha, the bag limit could be
Haha, the bag limit could be 1 and I still would not get there!!!!! I am hopeless at Tailor fishing.
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trav32
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I'm bunbury based it sounds
I'm bunbury based it sounds like Perth metro fishers are spoilt! From my experience herring are everywhere (the small ones) and tailor are very seasonal. Plus they only hang around for a short period
Rig
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weather
most people dont want to brave the winter conditions and get out into the bigger ones
spook
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There is plenty
Although I would rather they keep it that way than have to make more servere restrictions later. I do understand family's needing to eat but 8 is alot. Being reasonably young I was bought up with sustainability and in that view I believe we could still cut bags across the board, that's with having a $70k boat and heaps of $ pumped into gear, I want to see my kids catching fish without a worry as its what I spend all my spare time doing, couldn't imagine it any other way. Proactive is the better option but it is only my opinion and its nice to hear others
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UncutTriggerInWA
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Better tell the predators that mate
Does the food chain have a bag limit? We hit the Tailor up for maybe an hour if we get lucky. In the meantime they are subject to a feeding frenzie from other fish forms. It's a tough life out there for a fish. Personally I think the bag limits are OK. Remember please that a lot of us catch and release. One decent Tailor filleted for bait surely beats a bag of Mullies. Should we set a bag limit on Mullies?
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bloodysmythe
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yeh i agree
what we should do is just eliminate that factor altogether. lets bring back whaling and just slowly work our way down the food chain, eliminate the competition so we can have all the tailor and mulies we handle!!! stupid mother nature!
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Rig
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blah blah heard it all before
spook maybe you should be targetting this at the super trawler set to clean out bass strait not a bunch of rec fishers, metro bag limits especially offshore are designed to be sustainable ie 2 demersals etc. Its a pretty good session to get 8 legal tailor and I dont think there would be many if any doing that on a daily basis.
spook
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Woah
Like I said man, just an opinion I'm definitely not "Targeting" anybody. Put it on here to get a discussion going not to get ridiculed. I still look forward to bagging out on the boat, just wondered what others thought
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Vinesh87
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Love tailor, i dont freeze
Love tailor, i dont freeze them. The limit is fine i think, not many people are catching that! Maybe if there are people taking there limit day in and day out thats not good but there won't be many people doing that.
flangies
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I reckon tailor are mint
I reckon tailor are mint eating but better ballooning bait :)
flangies
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As for bag limits.. they are
As for bag limits.. they are fine. As Rig said, I can't even remember the last time I got 8 tailor in a session (jetski excepted :P ) and the guys that are going to break the bag limits like the monkey river fishos are going to keep whatever they catch regardless of the bag limits anyway.
beau
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That was a bloody fun
That was a bloody fun session! Best tailor I have eaten too, they seem to taste better when they're plucked from out a bit further, and I think the sambos agree!
Rig
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Monkey river
Love it
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Monkey River Central
Monkey River Central America?
Rig
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Don't worry
Don't worry spook nobody's getting upset bag limits and access are just a touchy subject at the moment for rec fishos. Once you give something up you can pretty much guarantee we won't get it back
Rig
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Busted
I dunno busted arse I just liked flangies comment " Monkey river fisho's"
spook
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Yeah
That's true Rig, whatever u give up won't come back until its totally squeezed out, the fisheries know what theyre doing with the bag limits.
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MattMiller
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Know what there doing????
couldn't disagree more. The demersal limits are rediculous for the west coast zone. For example
Dhuies - West coast, 1 per person / 2 per boat. South Coast, 2 per person, high risk bag of 7.
Nannygai/ Red Snapper - West Coast, 2 per person, part of high risk bag of 2. South Coast 8 per person, medium risk bag of 16.
Harpuka / Grey Band / Blue Eye Trevalla etc. West Coast 2 per person, part of high risk bag of 2. South Coast 2 per person, high risk bag of 7.
As you can see the difference between the West Coast and South coast bag and boat limit is beyond the joke.
Rig
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Upset
Ok spook you may have upset mattmiller now lol.
Good points miller I think there is a similar problem on the northern boundary, if the bag limit stays at 2 the pink snapper are going to start eating dogs and small children they are that thick lol
MattMiller
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Not upset
just something that has bugged me and many others for a long time.
I've heard that the Pinkies in Shark Bay are in plague proportions.
spook
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MattMiller
Do they do research to justify bag limits or do they just guess them? I think your right, would be interesting to find out. I always thought that they had well trained people studying these things or that is how it came across?
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Wes F
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Bag Limits
Research is carried out all year round, information is gathered from a variety of sources. A lot of this info is possibilly gathered form boaties. Yes we do need to have bag limits not that all fisho's respect them. As our population increases so does the amount of poeple fishing and there for the pressure on fish stocks. Are the limits to small or to big? is there inconsistences form zone to zone? maybe. Every self respecting fisho should know the rules some miss understanding will occur this could be for various reasons. It is defiantly a juggling act between healthy fish stocks and bag limits. BUT THE BIGGEST PRESSURE IS FROM COMMERICAL FISHING. This is the not to say professionals don't have a right to make a living, but the cost of running a profitable fishing boat is not cheap, when you look at the price of fish in the shops who is making the biggest markup.
Well enough of that, for me presonally I love going out and catching a feed, if a few end up in the freezer for later good, (no Tailor freezing for me) if not I'll just have to head out and try to catch some more. 8 summer sized tailor will last a week, I don't need to take home 8 winter size tailor. Nothing wrong with a well trimmed and presented fillet of tailor on a set of gangs.
If I'm not back overseas in the next week I'll be heading done to send a clod one on the beach.
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MattMiller
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Yes,
they do research but the findings of the research can always be manipulated in such a way to achieve your desired outcome.
Therefore if they want to tighten bag limits they only release the research that backs up there reasons for doing so be it anecdotal or scientific.
Have a read of some of the garbage that Jessica Meeuwig comes out with. Apparently Dhuies are an endangered species??????
pale ale
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Too many humans is the
Too many humans is the problem. It is only going to get worse, so eventually the bag limits will be decreased, or the fish stocks world wide will be plunderred