spot the problem ?

check out this link , anyone spot the problem with the gear he is selling ??
it looks well made , but i would not buy them with the problem they have
hezzy

www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/doubleview/fishing/craypots-/1058217049

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 Bars over the escape

Thu, 2014-10-16 07:48

 Bars over the escape hatches? Can't see properly.

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can see at least 3 problems

Thu, 2014-10-16 08:29

 plastic neck is a no no.... neck too close to escape hatches , needs to be furtherest away  from escape hatches  ...1 bait box too close to the outside edge

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The bar over the escape gap

Thu, 2014-10-16 08:53

The bar over the escape gap is the plastic tab that just snaps out of the plastic escape gaps. The issue for me would be the bait box next to the end of the pot. Why would a cray go in when it can get a feed from the outside... As a single bait basket it should be a pretty good pot by the looks.

Gumtree has so many dodgy (illegal) craypots popping up on it over the year it is ridiculous, some of them should not be given away let alone sold.

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 those bait boxes are common

Thu, 2014-10-16 10:07

 those bait boxes are common on pro pots in that position, there are no holes on that side of the bait basket

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There are 3 things wrong

Thu, 2014-10-16 09:49

1 there is no Anode.

2 no sea lion device to stop them getting their heads stuck..

3 no ballast in the pot.

as for the rest of it no worries would work fine..

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 sealion device is only at

Thu, 2014-10-16 10:05

 sealion device is only at the islands and around Jurien stretch of coast I think?

needs an anode

steel bottoms without extra ballast are pretty common for amateurs though

 

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no prizes, but so far only

Thu, 2014-10-16 10:17

no prizes, but so far only one bloke has picked what to me is the fundamental flaw in the pot,

the other stuff mentioned is small bickies

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dont think the pine slats

Thu, 2014-10-16 10:29

dont think the pine slats would last too long....

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pine definitely doesnt last

Thu, 2014-10-16 12:45

pine definitely doesnt last as long as jarrah, but it also much cheaper and very common for commercial fishermen during the whites

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Yeah I have spotted the problem..

Thu, 2014-10-16 11:30

THE PRICE.. Local bloke here who makes the pro pots does a far better amateur pot for a far better price and with all the fruit..

such as anode, all Jarrah, ballast, sea lion device, access gate on the end.. Etc etc etc..

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 2 inch bolt sticking out of

Thu, 2014-10-16 11:36

 2 inch bolt sticking out of the bottom. Perfect for taking gouges out of boats and legs 

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apart

Thu, 2014-10-16 11:46

 Apart from the first photo the pot looks square eg straight sides all round. Would just tip over? 

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I'm going with steel base. 

Thu, 2014-10-16 11:50

I'm going with steel base.

 

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No expert.

Thu, 2014-10-16 12:13

But if in line with the rules, I would prefer the top arrangement around 180deg so when pulling pots the crays have less chance of flicking out the top plastic entry, if I'm correct that the haul rope has to be tied to opposite end to escape holes. Not sure what end I would have the grab handles,(if that's what they are).

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Gaps

Thu, 2014-10-16 12:42

 Escape gaps are on the wrong sides of the pot.. It's on the top side as your pulling other then the back sides.. Pretty big issue as far as fisheries are concerned.

Other then that pot looks nice!!

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Gaps

Thu, 2014-10-16 12:42

 If the jarah sections are grab handles , all the escape gaps are at the wrong end

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belly , you and saulty picked

Thu, 2014-10-16 15:11

belly, you and saulty picked it right, for both the right reasons. first time i looked at his pics, i noticed the escape gaps are at the wrong end of the pot, or you could say his red neck is at the wrong side of the pot middle frame either way , you'll have trouble with fisheries or you will lose a lot of crays out of that pot built that way , basically what that does is when you are pulling the pot up to the boat , the crays [if your lucky to have caught some] will all be falling to the bottom end of the pot as it is lifted vertical in the water on retreive, they will flood into the shallow end of the pot, this design fault makes it real easy for the crays to fall/spill out the red neck as it sits at the side of the boat, before you lift it in, they should be flooding into the deep or long end of the pot on the bottom side of that red neck as its lifted vertical without swapping the escape to the other end, your going to lose a lot of crays, or the fisheries will have you as the escape gaps are not at the opposite end to the bridle ropes, by law they must be. pots look well built, just not a correct pro design, hope it filled in the day for some of us anyway , lol hezzy

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 Can't see any bridle onthe

Thu, 2014-10-16 15:14

 Can't see any bridle onthe pot so you could attach to the correct side.

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seakem , yep you could attach

Thu, 2014-10-16 15:22

seakem , yep you could attach the bridle to opposite end from the escape gaps, no probs
that makes the pot legal

however look at the pic of the underside of the pot, then you will see how short/close the distance is between the neck and the end of the pot , basically the width of the bait basket

that is very short, when lifted vertical your crays will flood to the short end and you will lose many more than if there in the deep end

it was just a bit of fun with observation of gear, really , you would never see a pro pot set up like that, , they haul the cray to the deep end always for max efficiency

lots of blokes will buy them , spend the dollars, and catch crays , but small things can make big differences in the set up of gear & how well it catches

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 Ha ha he's probaly

Thu, 2014-10-16 16:05

 Ha ha he's probaly scratching his head wondering why so many visits but no sales lol.

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 Hezzy I am in the market for an

Thu, 2014-10-16 16:23

Hezzy

I am in the market for an extra pot, based on the comments here, thsee look ok.  Your thoughts?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/bertram/fishing/new-craypots/1058362901

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will just add my 5 cents worth

Thu, 2014-10-16 18:02

 spot on! except need to add extra baterns on 3 sides to stop them eating from the outside ,mentioned on another post pot needs to be at least 38kg dry weight 

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randall I reckon there

Thu, 2014-10-16 19:45

randall

I reckon there pretty good value for money in that second link ,
they look ok ,steel bottoms , galv bolts, two bait baskets, red neck ,anode , timber and his time is accounted for ,

it takes me about 4 hours to build one , but I don't rush , and im not set up for it full on , at that price, of $130 he,s asking you,d have to be happy I think

id probably only add one more fish plate at the bridle end if they where mine though

devo correct .. apologies mate , missed your post earlier on ,

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 Would you put additional

Thu, 2014-10-16 20:19

 Would you put additional ballast in something like that?  I have some spare brake disks I could use if required.

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randall yeh imho I would

Thu, 2014-10-16 21:14

randall yeh imho I would still put in an extra fish plate or weight

to give you an idea of the weight in ours for down south
when my son and I build our steel bases we make them the full pro size , we use 50x50 x 5mm steel angle with rio bar rods , usually about 16 rods across the bottom per pot, and a smaller 25x25x 3mm angle along each side to weld the escape gaps to ,

that makes a heavy base to build off with your timber top , but then we still add another fish plate bolted in at the front , bridle end of the pot to help them hold bottom ,

I personaly think a lot of blokes either lose pots or they don't catch as well as they could purely because their pots are too light ,

light pots move in a heavy swell , or even a good sea breeze if the ropes are short, with 2 floats on them

example below in the link of how quick the swell can rise , on Tuesday off the capes it went from low @ 1 metre odd up to nearly 3 by midnight , so if light pots where set , in the am , they could move to hell overnight with that increase in swell , enough to either lose em or make you think they have been pulled

http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/comparative-swells-data.asp

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Haha didnt even notice that

Fri, 2014-10-17 16:12

Haha didnt even notice that one, the old assumption missing the obvious and making an ass and all that. There are so many dodgy pots that get sold on there. There must be a hell of a lot of stolen pots too. I hear what you say Hezzy but I lose too many pots and use far too much weight for them to be moving. Funny how it is always for me the newest rebuilt pot or the one that is brand new that goes missing. Gets pretty annoying.

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Signs

Fri, 2014-10-17 16:58

All they have to do is look for new floats, its a dead give away that the pot is new as well.
I used to pick up any pro float I found on the beach and if possible burn my numbers in it then repaint it to colours I can recognise but not identical to pro pots, that way it gave some protection from wood ducks pinching them.