What is going to happen to Essendon
Submitted by crasny1 on Tue, 2013-06-25 14:21
After Jobe's admission what do you suspect is going to happen.
I personally dont think they will play finals because of the performance enhancing nature of the charge, or they may loose so many players they would not be able to compete.
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Well, first I think they
Well, first I think they will beat the eagles...
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I should have expected that
I should have expected that one for sure
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Rather large fine and lose a
Rather large fine and lose a few draft picks....
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not much will happen. it
not much will happen. it will basically render a large portion of this season null and void. If they are found guilty and penalised the teams that lost to them this year would attempt to claim the 4 points as ESS cheated. The whole game would become a disaster.
If it were me, no points would be awarded to any team that didn't already win. All of Essendons premiership points for 2013 would be wiped. Have no draft picks in round 1 and 2, as well as a $1m fine for bringing the game into disrepute. But hey, i'm just an amateur fisherman so what do I know.
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going to be interesting
if they don't act in a strong way, how will other teams supporters and clubs like losing a final or the big one to a club that used preformance enhancing drugs, they must work because to my mind Jobe came from an ordinary player to a brownlow player and these must have helped along the way,can't get away with I didn't know!!! Hird and the rest are culpable as well
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The Storm copped it so why
The Storm copped it so why can't it happen in this code if proven.
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they will be grabbing thier
they will be grabbing thier ankles and bracing for impact!!!
draft picks, loss of premierships points for this year and next, suspensions and massive fines. A precedence will be set, those ASADA and WADA people are looking for heads to roll and Demetreo loves his tummy being rubbed and will fall into line. Look what happened to the Melbourne Storm and they only cheated what the team was payed, lost premierships and played for the love for a year. Time will tell i guess, loke Justo82 i'm all but a fisherman so it's not my call.
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well when Carlton broke the
well when Carlton broke the salary cap they got a fine and draft pick penalties. No loss of points, but they did manage to keep their priority pick. So going on precedent club penalties could also go this way.
Individual player penalties are a different story. Until we hear from essendon and what their defence is it is all just guess work, as a die hard bombers fan Im hoping it isnt too cripling as we are in a good position at the moment in terms of young developing players.
Lets just hope we smash the eagles thursday.
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Another precedent would be
Another precedent would be the penalties handed to the crows with Tippett which were pretty severe given they didn't really do that much. - large fine, two years of first round draft picks lost and trigg banned for half a season and fined $50,000 (fair amount of his salary).
Yeah sure they had minor involement in third party payments but did not declare these (and if they did declare them they were still under the salary cap) and wrote into a contract that they would trade tipps to a club of his chosing and didn't inform the AFL but really how many players nominate they want to play for such and such at the years end and when other clubs show interest they say they will retire or not play with that club - thus influencing the draft/trade period and the AFL do jack all. Tippet himself said he would only play for Sydney and then priced everyone else out of the market.
If Essendon are guilty heads should roll within the club management but hard to say given the AFL are hardly known for their consistency.
Taking banned? substances and winning brownlow?? not a good look for the AFL
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salary cap breaches is
salary cap breaches is totally seperate to this incident and dealt solely with the AFL - there are a couple of seperate parties involved in this situation.
ASADA could impose standard 2 year bans on club or players for take a banned substance, then the AFL will put there own penalties on the club.
Honestly i dont think this is going to be a happy ending.
lets hope the ban some players before friday night haha, god im scraping the barrel now.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the girls get up John
With all the going on's at windy hill..Jobes admission ect its gota get to them sooner or later imo.
Essendon ffc deserve to go, shit we have to many clubs now one less will be good.
Hope the powers to be don't look back into the past cause their would be some locals shaking at the knees.
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before you all start burning
before you all start burning them at the stake the ACC report released in Febuary stated on 4 seperate occasions that AOD 9604 was NOT banned at the time. If the report that sparked all this gets it wrong 4 times there has to be some grey area that the club were operating under - perhaps even documentation supporting that notion.
I have thought all along I will wait until essendon publicly state their defence and not be guided by the media when assessing what actually went on.
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It wasn't on the banned
It wasn't on the banned list. But it wasn't on the approved list. Therefore making it a banned drug.
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this is a direct quote from
this is a direct quote from the ACC report when referring to some substances including AOD 9604
While these substances are not prohibited by WADA, due to a lack of long-term clinical
studies on the use of these substances or their ‘off-label’ use, their potential impact on
the health of players—both short and long-term—is unknown.
Clearly states 'not prohibited'. My guess is Essendon had this info confirmed prior to its use and will be the cornerstone of their defence.
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I have worked with ASADA,
then called ASDA (Australian Sports Doping Agency) in establishing a Drugs in Sports Policy for Motor Racing years ago. A not for human use drug/medication is automatically a banned substance. The reason for this was made very clear to me, because of animal steroids mainly. There are so many that the only way to tackle them was to ban all not for human use drugs automatically, whether steroids etc.
I dont think there is any defense to this (unfortunately). Essendon is the only Vic team I have any time for, and prior to WCE and Freo was my top team.
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I dont think Essendon are
I dont think Essendon are that silly, theres a reason why the investigation is taking so long and that the Bombers are competitive and focused on playin footy. Innocent till proven guilty. The media is doing its thing and the Bombers are tight lipped. I think there may be some little loop holes and although unsportsmanlike, the club may have gone to these lengths to get the edge without crossing the line, technically, maybe wading in a grey area, fuck knows, we will see. There's been some strong words from Bombers reps, hard to see them doing so knowing they have a gun pointed at their head. Anyways, didnt quite work out for them last year anyhow...
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It appears
that some would like to see the Bombers out of the way/competition.
It won't happen because it's typical media hype over a substance that, as tiimmbo has stated, it is not illegal.
And to add, it's sad to to see any body, club or person/s dragged down till proven..
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Ahhh, the media, the puppet
Ahhh, the media, the puppet master for all of society's suckers that choose to listen, watch and read then to believe and preach. I did, however, enjoy seeing the cat with a bow through it when I happened to look at the TV when at someone else's house on Sunday night, laughed my arse off (cat hater) so I thank them for that lol
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surely
you meant Arrow tim-o.
Must say didn't see the show, but then I don't watch much TV .
As for cat's, thats another story......
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Hahahaha, oh bugger, time for
Hahahaha, oh bugger, time for bed, yeah I meant arrow, think I was thinkin bolt
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Essendon drug cheats as good as GONE
FORMER ASADA boss Richard Ings says he could not see how Jobe Watson and possibly other Essendon players could escape an anti-doping tribunal hearing following Watson's admission he believed he took AOD9604.
Watson revealed on Monday it was his understanding that he took the drug last season.
AOD9604 is banned under World Anti-Doping Agency rules because it is not approved for human use.
Ings said he expected doping charges to be laid against players who admitted taking the anti-obesity drug.
An infraction notice, delivered by the AFL after notification of an alleged violation by ASADA, triggers a tribunal hearing.
Players face a two-year ban for a first-time breach, which can be cut to six months if athletes provide "substantial assistance in discovering or establishing anti-doping rule violations''
If a player can prove no fault - which experts say is extremely difficult to do - the penalty can be eliminated.
"Given the admission that a player was involved in using AOD9604, which is a substance that has been formally confirmed as banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency, those players now have a serious case to answer in the eyes of anti-doping authorities," Ings said.
Cartoon by David 'Macca' McArthur. Source: Herald Sun
"I can't see how they can avoid these matters going to a tribunal.
World doping boss also says they are in big big trouble. Hey mabye Freo might get that close one back..LOL
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If may be that it all goes to
If may be that it all goes to shit for the Bombers, I cant see the teams that lost to them getting the 4 points lol. Its like in soccer when no team scores, they call it a nill all draw, noooooo, they both lost, they're both shit
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And hows this for a death nail
THE world anti-doping boss has laid down the law to crisis-hit Essendon, declaring: "The moment it's in your system, you're gone, full stop."
Bombers skipper and 2012 Brownlow medallist Jobe Watson has sensationally admitted taking a substance he believed to be the banned peptide AOD9604.
As the Bombers were in damage control yesterday, World Anti-Doping Agency president John Fahey told the Herald Sun that there were no "ifs or buts" about banned substances.
'If it's in your system, you're gone'
"Ninety-five per cent of athletes blame someone else," Mr Fahey said.
"There's strict liability here ... if it's in your system, you take the consequences."
The club is fighting to avoid drug bans for its players over the club's 2012 supplements program.
AFL chief Andrew Demetriou last night declined to discuss the fate of Watson.
Asked if it was appropriate he line up against the West Coast Eagles in Perth tomorrow night, a league spokesman said: "We are not going to pre-empt the investigation. That means we will wait until it is completed."
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/national-news/victoria/w/story-fnii5sms-1226669739324#ixzz2XEpaxkjk
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Everyone seems to be forgetting that Essendon are big & popular "Victorian" club & Jobe Watson is one of it's favorite sons. The fact he came clean & admitted taking them will stand in his favour in the AFL's eyes. Oh hang on didnt another footballer admit to doin drugs without the AFL knowing & he got hung out to dry ?? That's right, he wasnt victorian hey.
Demitriou will turn to marshmellow over this & Jobe will become a hero for speaking out & admitting it. Personally i dont think many of the above mentioned penalties will come into it for Jobe, maybe the club will bare the brunt of it.
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Oh dear!!!
Surely your not talking about Cousins??? How is that situation anything like this. Cousins was a danger to himself and the community in general taking recreational drugs and strutting around Perth like he was Queen Muck. Hung ut to dry? He played AFL again at Richmond and treated like a legend of the game.
As for Jobe and Essendon.... what did he think he was injecting? If it wasn't to enhance his perfomance, what would he put it into his system for? Guilty your honour.
Penalties... ASADA will deal with the players, the AFL will try and draw it out until we forget about it like we forgot Melbourne tanked for draft picks and got a little fine that the AFL is going to give back with a nice juicy Priority Pick for thier trouble
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I agree
I agree Jason, injecting yourself with anything unprescribed is gotta be a danger to yourself. Wether or not its a danger to the community is a legal matter, i guess that depends on if you have an adverse reaction to it. lol Yep the AFL have a way of sweeping the things they want under the carpet & hoping people will forget about them, its only when someone makes their "perfect" system look stupid that they cut up about it.
I still dont understand why players are allowed 3 strikes before they are named & sacked, it's kinda like them condoning the first 2 then helping out after the third one. I just wish the drugs penalties were as heavy as the ones for betting on your own team to win, & then losing your money cos you lost haha. aka a certain Adelaide player.
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Victorians
are very good at sweeping matters under the carpet. It would be a lot different if it were a WEST Aussie.
Not a supporter of, but, I hope all the dockers stay clean as or all the V artillary will be aimed at them for sure..
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If Watson and the Bombers can
If Watson and the Bombers can get away with this, then there are going to be quite a few unhappy atheletes out there that had the book thrown at them over the years.
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Given he knew what was being
Given he knew what was being injected I'm suprised he and any others didn't ask why they were being given an anti-obesity drug - Jobe hardly has a weight/skin fold issue.
Studies have shown AOD 9604 also has other benefits in that it promotes both recovery and muscle growth so if its not banned it should be (performance enhancing).
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Worth a read
WHAT IS AOD-9604?
A peptide (combination of amino acids) with fat-burning qualities.
Believed in some quarters to help recovery from soft-tissue injuries.
CAN ATHLETES USE IT?
Australian Crime Commission report on drugs and crime in sport released in February stated AOD-9604 "is not currently a WADA prohibited substance".
This is stated four times in the report.
I took drug
THAT'S NOT RIGHT, IS IT?
Correct. The World Anti-Doping Agency said: "AOD-9604 is a substance still under pre-clinical and clinical development and has not been approved for therapeutic use by any government health authority in the world.
Therefore, under the 2013 Prohibited Substances and Methods List, the substance falls into the S0 category - any pharmacological substance which is not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the List and with no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use … is prohibited at all times."
DID THE CRIME COMMISSION MAKE A MISTAKE IN NOT STATING THAT AOD-9604 WAS PROHIBITED FOR USE BY ATHLETES?
The Herald Sun asked that question.
This was the response from ACC executive director Paul Jevtovic: "The World Anti-Doping Authority (WADA) is the pre-eminent authority and expert in this field and the Australian Crime Commission (ACC) welcomes the clarification of the status of AOD-9604 as a banned substance under the S.0 classification.
"The ACC sought expert advice from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) at the time of developing the Organised Crime and Drugs in Sport report and was advised (correctly) that AOD-9604 is not currently prohibited under category S2 of the WADA prohibited list."
SO HAS ASADA EVER TOLD AN INDIVIDUAL OR ORGANISATION THAT AOD-9604 IS OK FOR USE BY SPORTSPEOPLE?
ASADA did not respond directly when asked this question, and others. This is what a spokesman said: "ASADA's primary role is to apply the World Anti- Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Agency's Prohibited List in Australia.
"The S0 category was introduced into the Prohibited List in 2011.
WADA has advised ASADA that 'at that time AOD-9604 fell under S.0 since it was not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the List and since it had no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use'.
"ASADA provided advice to the ACC that AOD-9604 was not currently prohibited under category S2 of the WADA prohibited list.