looks like another firebug

i can see 3 different fires around me 2 look really bad

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not another where are they 

Sun, 2011-02-06 14:10

not another where are they

 

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not sure on exact locations

Sun, 2011-02-06 14:15

but i know ones in kelmscott. take a look outside you should see it

edit: 8 houses lost in kelmscott (just a report)

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 is there one somewhere near

Sun, 2011-02-06 14:32

 is there one somewhere near harrisdale? looks like some pretty thick smoke comin from that way.

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i think its more in the hills goodz

Sun, 2011-02-06 14:40

near kelmscott armadale area. the winds blowing it back over that area but

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fesa alerts

Sun, 2011-02-06 14:44

https://internet.fesa.wa.gov.au/alerts/Pages/Alerts.aspx

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My mother in law has just

Sun, 2011-02-06 15:10

My mother in law has just evacuated from Cope place Kelmscott, The fire is in the Brookton valley between Kelmscott and Roleystone, she's on her way to our house but from what she has relayed to us there are houses lost, My mother in Law was told by Fesa to go as it was just too dangerous too stay.

I live in Beckenham and saw the other fire that goodz is talking about, not sure where that one is, looked to be maybe wilson area but not sure.

Looks like the fireys are going to have a busy night.

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Just put a topic up

Sun, 2011-02-06 16:34

Also Sandy Cape just north of Jurien Bay is also on fire

 

correction............... 8klms inland on the Jurien Rd bushfire.

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Heard a news report 20 homes

Sun, 2011-02-06 16:15

Heard a news report 20 homes have been lost

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I'm up in Heren Hill, Swan

Sun, 2011-02-06 16:50

 I'm up in Herne Hill, Swan Valley. We have not slept in 36 hrs and still on evacuation alert, with them now calling for the road next to us to be alert & go!

This is a big fire  front and they stopped using fixed winged water bombers cause of the high winds to make it worse, BUT now with three other fires in the metro area and homes lost in Rolliestones, the Fire Fighters are stretched to the limit. To make things worse, no power since this morning and I really need a cup of strong coffee now.

 God help the bastards that started these fires, I would put a noose around their necks easily.

 

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wow seriously hope you are okay tony

Sun, 2011-02-06 16:49

update looks like a cigarette butt started the kelmscott/armadale fire

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i think its going to be a

Sun, 2011-02-06 16:52

i think its going to be a very black sunday for som

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theyre bloody idiots whoever

Sun, 2011-02-06 18:29

theyre bloody idiots whoever lit them, why cant they just take up a better past time...... like fishing

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Herne Hill

Sun, 2011-02-06 19:00

 good luck with the fires Tony. I have an aunty and uncle who live in Herne Hill and are also on evac alert so wont be getting much sleep up here till I know they're ok.

I hope the bastards who lit these fires burn in hell !!!!!!!!

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bloody reckless

Sun, 2011-02-06 19:14

bloody reckless endangerment of lives and property hope the bastards get caught in the middle of thier own fire one day and cook     good luck to all involved in this act of stupidity and arrogance

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latest news

Sun, 2011-02-06 19:25

35 homes lost and started by an angle grinder

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Nasty stuff and heart

Sun, 2011-02-06 19:47

Nasty stuff and heart breaking for all involved!

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Soul destroying

Sun, 2011-02-06 19:50

Definitely soul destroying. Hopefully no lose of life or family pets, horses etc.

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some horses

Sun, 2011-02-06 20:19

have been killed already my sisters friends house looks like its going to be destroyed

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Good luck to everyone in the

Sun, 2011-02-06 19:56

Good luck to everyone in the fire zones.  Sounds like one might have been caused by powerlines and another accidentally by an angle grinder.  Not sure which ones though.  Heard an update from FESA.  Stay safe everyone.

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well still without power and

Sun, 2011-02-06 20:02

well still without power and have fires about 2km above us now on the hills. Wind is the big issue.

Have sent wife and son off with mu sister with the horses, dogs, cats and my fishing rods  yip got save whats important to you. They at friends safe now, I'm sitting it out at the property to fight it if it changes direction my way.

 

I could kill for a hot coffee, as last cup I had was 7am this monring. oh well, got water, cordial and bread sandwidges to keep me going

 

We got confirmation earlier that the fire started in Red Hill near Swan Highieghts and is suspicouse

My heart goes out to those that lost homes in Roeliestones, heard now over 35 gone. very sad,

oh well only got 2 hrs beattery life left on laptop, will log in later again to say hi to all

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Hey Tony I am just down the

Sun, 2011-02-06 20:22

Hey Tony I am just down the road in Stratton, would you like a thermos of boiling water, some coffee, sugar and milk mate? I can drop it off if you like?

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mate I could kill for that

Sun, 2011-02-06 23:16

mate I could kill for that offer, but they not letting anyone in on Campersic now,

had a big flare up again on the ridge above the quarry, with the fire now on the move again down towards Herne Hill, Padburry rd and Stock rd area.

 

oh well all this cool water is doing me a good detox at least,

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I can see the southern fire

Mon, 2011-02-07 00:14

I can see the southern fire front from my backyard now. A mate just told me the fire started when a tree blew over onto powerlines up behind the quarry.

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yeah this morning they said

Mon, 2011-02-07 07:29

yeah this morning they said debry from the high winds hit a power line and started the main blaze near the Red Hill tip. But Chittering fire is susoect.

how we ended up with five major fire in one go is scary. Every one said they had too many helitankers and fixed wings this year, but now we can see that we could have used double the amount with ease.

We had three heli-tankers ( smaller ones) yesterday, as we lost the two big ones to the higher risk Roeliestones fire.

We really need those big air bombers the yanks use, the little fixed winged planes can hit a spot fire on a small house, but can't dent the type of blazes we had this weekend.

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 latest i heard , it could be

Sun, 2011-02-06 22:15

 latest i heard , it could be up o 60 houses destroyed and one fireman injured after being hit by a fire truck. 

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expecting 80

Mon, 2011-02-07 07:14

houses and sheds

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finally got power back this

Mon, 2011-02-07 07:24


finally got power back this morning.

and my first mug of coffee in hand,

luckily the wind has dropped off so chance for fire-brigade and volunteer fire fighters to get the fire under control now.

Fire moved down the ridge last night, but was mostly parallel to us about a kilometer away

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Good to hear

Mon, 2011-02-07 08:52

So, has most of the risk passed in the Herne Hill/Red Hill area?

I bet that coffee is tasting pretty damn good.

Mum and Dad still live in Herne Hill and they were keeping an eye on it from a safe distance.

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risk still there for the

Mon, 2011-02-07 10:23

risk still there for the north section of Herne Hill and East of Campersic.

Houses / small holdings from Oak Over to Stock rd on Alert for now, as fire is still burning in patches above quarry / concrete works.

Wind is the factor again, if it swings more Easterly, then the risk increases for us.

Just can't get the body to sleep yet, and yes that first cup of coffee was awwwwsum

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Thoughts are with you

Mon, 2011-02-07 13:35

My thoughts are with you Tony - trust you and yours stay safe.

And all the other F/W members who are in the fire's path.

So many homes lost - let's hope the death toll stays at zero! Nothing else matters really.

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Hope my trailer is ok....

Mon, 2011-02-07 14:45

Hope my trailer is ok.... haha. Seriously hope things are ok Tony, if you need any help mate just call.

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lol Paul, you'd need a

Mon, 2011-02-07 15:51

lol Paul, you'd need a furnace to damage that monster of yours, but she is safe and sound   and under  a sprinklers range

Anyways I have to keep it safe, I still need to use it too ...lol

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My thoughts also

Mon, 2011-02-07 14:41

read some fires have been contained but not letting anybody in for safety, trees falling down, power poles etc.  but one main fire is still out of control in the Kelsmcott shire. 

Glad you are ok Tony, thoughts for everybody that have lost their homes or damaged, terrible, I also read where one fire was caused by a power pole, somebody using a grinder and maybe the third is looking suspicioius.

Take care everybody that lives in the Hills, I love the hills but wouldn't live there for quids.  Take care all

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dickhead with a grinder

Mon, 2011-02-07 15:11

wasn't there one started last year with a similar mo, there is no way my wife or I could live in the bush, apart from loving the coast

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when i lived in country victoria

Mon, 2011-02-07 15:49

we were on a total fire ban there was a massive fire (nearlly got our house) later found out the head of the cfa started it with a angle grinder. so uncle no matter how much you try to control the sparks accidents happen. Then again thats easy for me to say

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understand all that

Mon, 2011-02-07 16:27

its almost as if you need to do a risk assessment for every thing,[water handy ,fire retardent] driving a truck in the out back,using a geny in a house, changing tyres on the side of the road none are deliberate acts but they can be costly for yourself and others

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Well your on the money Uncle.

Mon, 2011-02-07 17:50

Well your on the money Uncle. Every welding job I do for Halliburton ,Risk assement ,HW permit and a fire watch with extinguisher in hand. If I don't do any of these I'm liable for damage.But common sense must prevail. Grinding on a hot day near bush Hmmm makes you wonder. I hope there's an appeal for these people as well. Only too happy to give some dough or whatever they need.

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we hav been told to stop sending

Mon, 2011-02-07 19:11

money and clothes as the center is already unable to cope with the influx.

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grinder operator

Mon, 2011-02-07 20:05

i heard on the news tonight the operator of the grinder was an off duty service person , FESA are now talking to him in regards to the damage and what fine will be applied , it will be interesting to find out what service he is from

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They were saying

Mon, 2011-02-07 20:09

he was an off duty copper tonite on the news!!

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hey easy to do. i found out the

Mon, 2011-02-07 20:14

hey easy to do. i found out the hard way a few years back i had someone watching water there you name it better to leave it till winter

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 Listenig to the radio this

Tue, 2011-02-08 10:40

 

Listenig to the radio this morning and people complaining they had no warning, why did they not save more house etc, it got my blood boiling.

The joys of people living in a nanny state.

They have no idea of “cause and effect”, how to take charge of their own safety and of course the Stupid Green Experiments with forest and fire management,

rule 1: own the fuel, and you own the fire

rule 2: fire breaks are big dead open pieces of ground, yes they are unsightly, but they work. My not look nice on the ksy line, but a 300m wide fire break can be protected. A 10m wide one is pissing into a firestorm.

rule 3: if you live rural, be prepared for fires. Own a genset and pump connected to a large water tank. Have a mobiel fire fighting rig, they only cost $700. You got a million dollar house, put some money into protecting it folks. Just like airbags & safety belts in a car, if you never need to use them, they still a good investment for the day you did need them.

You have to be able to survive alone

rule 4: urban housing designs don't work in bush fire areas. Eves need to covered, no open areas of exposed painted wood etc. One hot ember in the  roof line = one house gone.

When will we learn!!! 40 years of bad fire disasters in Australia and still we live in a dream world.

 

sorry for the hard insensitive words folks. But we live in Swan Valley, in the areas burnt on Herne Hill /Red Hill.

We were prepared and so where many around us, not one house lost! Same last year.

 

Build for fires, don't let fires force you to rebuild!

 

 

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why werent more houses saved?

Tue, 2011-02-08 16:44

while yes the firebreaks would have helped but when a fire is getting fanned with gusty easterly winds on the wrong side of surburbia houses will get lost (this being the roleystone fire). fire crews had three major fires to contend with and water bombers had to stay down because of winds. not just this but embers were raining down upto 500 meters away from the front. the roleystone fire started at 11:42 and they think the first house went up at 11:55 not to  much time to react.and the swan valley fire. most of the fire front was inaccesible becasue A) the roads are to narrow for trucks to go down and safely do a u turn if they have to get out quick. and the other problem was it was mostly on rocky outcrops inaccesiable by trucks. and all the helicopter were focused on the kelmscott fire

NOT ENOUGH TIME TO REACT. Are they kidding were there any deaths. yes its sad that so many houses were lost but what do these people think fesa are miracle workers.

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don't get me wrong, FESA guys

Tue, 2011-02-08 20:31

don't get me wrong, FESA guys on the ground and volenteer firies where abosulte fab and hero's

BUT they under resourced, don't have the big guns of the air that they need and not enough heavy duty 4x4 fire tenders. We got huge massive engines at the airports, cause international law requires us to have them, but our chances of an air crash and fire are 100,000 less than bush fires in our hills and suburbs. We can spend hundreds of millions on dedicated fire tenders for the airport, but bugger all on dedicated big air tankers. Go think

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tony

Tue, 2011-02-08 20:59

it wasn't a personal attack. defiantley there undergunned.

what i dont get is why they spent millions upon millions of dollars on the fire station in the city yet are so illequiped where its REALLY needed?

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call desk jockey

Tue, 2011-02-08 21:13

call desk jockey planners.

can't see the wood for the trees!

 

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Well said! I hope to be

Tue, 2011-02-08 10:45

Well said! I hope to be buying a place in Kalamunda one day soon and this will be one thing i will make sure im ready for 

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mate you can live in bush

Tue, 2011-02-08 11:13

mate you can live in bush land, but you need to build to the conditions. THATS the issue.

houses with roof top sprays and diesel fired pumps will survive, you can't bank on pumps powered off the electrical grid, it was switched off ASAP when poles went down.

You can't have leafy trees over hanging the house and expect it not to burn. You can't have fences painted with paints that flame up in an instant. Use colour bonded fence, face  brick etc.

You can't build a house out of wood, planks and other combustible material and expect it to with stand fire. A proper fire retardant house should be able to be exposed to a passing flame front for 3 minutes and not go up in flames. I will find the youtube clip from the USA California housing codes for fire proof houses.

Big glass looks good, but it crack and imploded with the heat radiation and then the fire is in the house.

 

Paradise is a place where the wild things are calm for now! BUT it's not always calm in paradise, remember that folks

 

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What are the areas like up

Tue, 2011-02-08 11:13

What are the areas like up their ?

I can remember last year hearing about a couple suburbs where the owners have not been clearing around the homes and trees virtually on top of houses,,can't recall the suburbs but they were high risk due to a lot of Apathic home owners/renters and it was making it worse for thwe neighbours.

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why donm't we as fire prone

Tue, 2011-02-08 11:39

why don't we as fire prone country have any of these large scale water bombers??????

 

please some one tell me why???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98q5IwFrk2k

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lQ6JSX78-w&feature=fvw

yes we go the Swan river and sea, yet none of these WTF...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS77A3IPEv4&feature=related

 

we have old airframes nolonger in the hours limited for use as passenger planes just sitting and rotting at airports, when they can be retro fitted to do this kind of work. Still safe to fly, yet not used!!! WHY?????

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uDSLh53Ppw&playnext=1&list=PL994ECD4089DF841E

if you want to save houses and lives then you need this one!

 

 

Get a grade 5 kid to do them sums, they can do it!

one tanker = $25m

one fire like this one = 120 homes damaged at ~$1m per home = $120m

 

NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, JUST GOOD INVESTMENT. oh anf they have a range of over 2000km so can get anywhere fast.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Tue, 2011-02-08 15:58

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_415

 

got the bloody bug under my skin now to find out why we don't have any proper large scale water bomber shere in WA.

 

The Bombardier CL415 can carry close on 6,5 tons of water, that more than most smaller fire brigade vehicles!

And can turn around from drop to fill fsater than anything on wheels.

They still being made to order and even Malaysia has them now for fire and marine roles.

 

Why can't WA have four or five of these? They could have roles as marine and rescue aircraft, fire bombing roles and worth every penny spent.

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?

Tue, 2011-02-08 16:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzwS8Gv27J8&feature=related

 

this is the Evergreen tanker, 26,000 gallons of water!

Now one of these stationed at Bullsbrook airforce base and with a 4000km range and 600mph speed, it could service anywhere in hours.

Refills in 30 minutes, so it can land, fill, take off in 40minutes and be back in the hills or south perth etc dropping a major wet spot on any fire!

 

And here we are with our small crops sprayers and 3 heli tanks!

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scary stuff

Tue, 2011-02-08 16:32

Just read the thread.

 

Agree more needs to be done in fire prone areas when it comes to protection of life and property.

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ive seen those big jumbo jets

Wed, 2011-02-09 21:05

ive seen those big jumbo jets that they strip it and fill with bigass water containers. it think there in the US though, would be good seeing 2 or 3 of those running here.