No surprise really, but nothing could be assumed. Looks like I'm not going to get invaded after all . I'm all for sustainability, but let's see more level heads this time round. Good luck with the V5s WCB fishos
I missed the program, is it possible to relisten to it or see a transcript?
Colin Molloy
(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
Takes the presure off trying to get out before the 15th
If a ban was to take place, something the father in law came up with was to have allocated fishing days based on the last number of the boat rego - odd or even number... similar to that of sprinkler watering days !
Somewhere there would have to be turn around point(s), so you wouldn't get stuck with only fishing the same set days for 3 months.
Straight away you have reduced the number of boats fishing at any one time (possibly half), reducing the catch rates, keeping retailers happy and in business - not to mention keeping fisho's happy that they can still fish over the 3 month period (just not on their non-allocated days)
Sure, guys would team up with mates who have the right to fish on the day, but you would still be reducing the physical number of boats (and people fishing on those boats) by half. After all you can only fit so many passangers on a boat !
I've mentioned this to the research guys back the ramps a few times and every guy I've spoken to thinks it's a great idea.
I heard it on the radio as well, but didnt catch all of it (96fm if they repeat it for those who want to catch it).
Pretty sure he mentioned about needing to implement measures to reduce numbers caught, but I dont think anyone here is against bag limit reductions or introduction of boat limits if it will help our fish stocks.
Kaney68, if they had it so you could fish odd days of the month if your rego was odd and even if it was even then it would alternate each week. So if you got sunday one weekend, it would be sat next weekend (for most of the month).
it Colin Barnett? There is no details on either's Govt sites and the Fisheries Department is still stating info about the bans coming into effect. But the wheels of government do move slowly.
(Colin 1 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)
Just had Ian Keay out here 5 mins ago to collect a heap of dhuie frames, he hadn't heard anything about the removal of the ban but did mention that they were still desperate for frames to continue the research on a number of species.
Interestingly the govt has cut budgets in the research area and I am not even sure they have provided any more funding to the tagging guys.
Hopefully they will see the light and start increasing funding to the research guys so quality data can be used to help manage the resource.
In the meantime, don't waste your frames, give Ian a call and arrange a pick up or drop off.
I've got some pinky frames that i'll drop off to Hilarys research
tomorrow Andy. The 2001-2006 Sound tagging program funds have dried up
and whats avaialable for research is yeh very limited now. They need
more research but as you mentioned budget cuts to this area!!!
I have a meeting with a few researches tomorrow. They're wanting to do a
new study re Biomas/egg survey and female pink snapper population. Getting an
exemption for myself and another person re the Sound closure wasn't
easy. We'll get a few free hooks but the rest is at our cost...happy
to do it but!
I think that sactuary zones would be better for sustainablty of fish stocks. More reasch would need to be done so that breeding areas weren't still open, like what happens in the cockburn sound. I know this is hard because not all of the 5 species migrate to specific areas to spawn but sactuary zones would be better than an outright ban. JMO
Yeh thats what I thought. Also with a sactuary zone the pro's shouldn't be able to fish them either. I should be a blanket ban from all fishing within those zones
I didn't hear that it was shelved, I heard the new minister was looking at the details and was going to make a decision in a few days time on what will happen?
I watched the news and saw the segment, Frank was on for a few seconds but the phone rang when he was on and I missed what he said.
Had some lady from the wilderness society on there that knew all about the fishing ban "the Dhufish and snapper and those other fish are in danger" or words to that effect.
Why they interviewed her I'll never know, she didn't appear to know what was going on. Bandwagon jumping in my view.
Quote by Ginger Meggs:- Complicated problems have simple, easy to understand WRONG answers....
Fact:- Too many fish being caught/killed for sustainability of some of the species.
Fact:- No easy answers (sorry, yes there are easy answers, but they are the wrong answers)
As far as I know:- It's true that Fisheries Minister Norman Moore is reviewing the proposed rules.
It's true that the Minister will announce his decision on Friday.
It's true that even 10 year old kids understand that people have to fish for the future and have to look after the fish stocks for the future.
It's true that there are no simple, no easy answers to cutting the catch to protect the future of some vulnerable species.
It's true that there is a lack of information about the impact of different management/rule changes on cutting the catch.
It's true that there are lots of different ideas out there about how the fish should be protected. Lots of those are based on an incomplete understanding of the issues, and lots of ideas will actually not give enough reduction to the total catch over the full year.
It's true that WHATEVER decision(s) are made, some people will be unhappy
The PACKAGE of rules proposed by the previous Labor Government was a set of compromises. It's true that a lot of people disagreed with different parts of this, and disagreed with the compromises
Recfishwest's position is in its April 2008 submission on the proposals - see "Recfishwest submission:- Recommended changes to recreational fishing of vulnerable iconic fish, Strategy for Managing the Recreational Catch of Demersal Scalefish in the West Coast Bioregion" http://www.recfishwest.org.au/SubDemersalFishingFMP228.htm
Part of that included shorter closures, plus proper research on the impact, as part of a package because nothing else actually protected the fish enough.
Everything Recfishwest does is aimed at the things enjoyable and successful recreational fishing depends on, such as:-
* Healthy stocks of fish of all species, sizes and ages
* Good environmental conditions so fish can survive and breed successfully
* Recognition by everyone that regardless of what has been done before, the fish stocks always belong to the whole community, not just to any one group, and the community should decide how those fish are used and shared. Leading to:-
* Recreational fishing having a guaranteed share of the fish which can be caught sustainably, sharing with commercial and other needs.
* Reasonable and practical fishing rules which balance the enjoyment of fishing with the need to manage and share the catch and preserve the fish stocks.
* Access to fishing spots, without unnecessary restrictions or closures which don't make sense.
It seems that what most of you are saying that you don't want closures to be part of the package of answers.
But no other possible rule changes or restrictions cut the catch by enough.
Hard decisions have to be made. Catch 22.
These proposals are about recreational fishing rules and will apply to Charter and Recreational. Yep I know about the possibility of charter exemptions raised by Dept of Fisheries but there's a new Minister.
Commercial fishing is managed under different rules. Recfishwest doesn't make the rules - the Minister and Dept of Fisheries make the rules.
It's OK for people to make smart arse remarks about cancer which could be seen as being aimed at one of the people involved, and it's OK to misrepresent things, but it's not OK for me to say what children at this morning's Recfishwest fishing clinic said.
Mixed standards.....
TerryF
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Beavering away in the background.......
I would rather have to only keep one fish from each class for every outing, than not be able to fish at all.
Is this an answer? Make the bag limits tiny, make it catch and release for all i care, but for gods sake LET US AT LEAST GO OUT AND PARTICIPATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least that way the recreational community can still exist in its present form. Is there a chance for an outside influence on a decision being made in 2 days? I doubt it, they would already have there changes drafted, and ready to release in my opinion.
Best we all wait till friday, see what type of tumour is revealed...
why are members asking what % of your "members" support you guys in regards to the closures??
The full story
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...have any data on what percentage of support rec fishwest has for your 2 month closures from members ???..does it sit comfortably with the members of recfishwest ? yes or no ??
The reply
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Recfishwest asked members via "Casting Around" and people on fishing forums for opinions on the draft comments on the proposals.
Show us what you think should be done. Pick out the parts from all those suggestions and make up a package which will not have closures AND will achieve the cuts AND will be accepted by the majority AND will be enforceable AND will give catch information, etc, etc.
TerryF
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Beavering away in the background.......
I dont like to get involved in these but after reading all of this I would have to say that the majority are simply after the same thing. NO CLOSURE. IMO I would like to see reduced bag limits on the V5 and tighter control of the pro industry including charter between the proposed closure dates ( without a closure ), sensible and realistic sancuarys and better research
Closures are not the answer. ESPECIALLY if the charter, and professionals are not in the same boat.
Terry your asking for someone to propose a package...but all packages proposed by the old labour government and recfish are done on limited data? limited information on whats actually happening. You said it yourself previously, how can restrictions be brought in when there is limited data provided.
Is this period between oct and dec selected because this is the breeding period for all the V5 fish??
Terry recfish is hitting in the Dark. You say now is the time to act, then act on getting some substansial data. How do you expect the rec community to understand and participate in anythinmg recfish says or offers when the facts are limited.
I think recfish's narrow vision is missing thebigger picture. Your trying to do what the US government is doing, and taking a last ditch effort to do something drastic, without knowing what the concequenses will be.
But personally, 9 weeks isnt that long for a ban, and parts of me think banning fishing for a certian period cant make the 'fish stocks' get any worse. But if the ban stays for Recreational people, then it should be uniform across the board, no charter, no professionals.... No point only restricting one group. The only thing this achieves is creating a very unhappy recreational community.
Guys I know this is an emotive topic and as a moderator my jobs to sit on the fence and see both sides. I know about and have read the 'cancer comment' being used in the discussion, but please refrain from using it again as it won't lead anywhere good for anyone.
Getting that sort of fisheries data is NOT a one-off activity. Also that's the job of the Dept of Fisheries, not Recfishwest.
Ideally several years of data is needed. Recfishwest has criticised lots about the quality and lack of data.
Bigger changes should have been made 10 or more years ago and all the data gathered since then, and these difficult decisions would either not be needed now or would have proper data to use.
Few people disagree that real and effective changes HAVE to be made VERY SOON for the sustainability of the fish.
These proposals are about recreational fishing rules and will apply to Charter as well as recreational. Yep I know about the possibility of charter exemptions raised by Dept of Fisheries but there's a new Minister to make those decisions.
Commercial fishing is managed under different rules. Recfishwest doesn't make the rules - the Minister and Dept of Fisheries make those rules.
The period Oct -Dec and later all of Oct- all of Jan were chosen because they cover SOME of the spawning times, but not all, and were calculated (although there are arguments about that) to cut the catch by the target amount (and there are arguments about that too).
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Terry your asking for someone to propose a package.
I actually was asking those people who say it isn't rocket science and it's all been said to put up and post THEIR package so that others can see if THEIR package IS better.
I personally never agreed with the labour 4 month proposed Ban (that was bullshit) but if "I" was "forced" due to some drastic action required had to have a closure then i'd expect 1st October to end November (8 weeks) also in line with the Cockburn Sound closure. Going into X-mas or close to will effect the whole state industry....more so than the "fishing impact"!
I still stand by heavy reduction in the bag limit, cat 1 species take and imposing boat limits " FIRST " then after some heavy digging/research is done then look at plan B limited closures "if" required.....jmo
Like the majority of rec anglers i am not happy with a complete ban. I for one would be happy to see size limits raised and bag limits cut. I would rather be able to bring home one snapper or one dhuie for the family than nothing at all. Why wasnt something done years ago? If it had of, then it could have been small changes over a long period of time rather than slap on a complete ban.If a 10yr old child understands fishing for the future why didnt the government and fisheries years ago? Surley a daily limit of one snapper instead of four and one dhuie instead of two etc... would have an impact bigger than a ban.
Arent anglers going to make up for the ban before and after by keeping there daily bag limit every time? If a ban must happen then make it fair across the board! Pro, rec everyone! I understand that pros have a business to run, but only banning recs is taking away our freedom to fish. Having zoning areas for vunerables would be better than a ban. The cockburn sound for one is a breeding ground for the vunerable pink snapper yet even when the ban is on in the sound the pro boat is still raping the stock. You cant have one rule for them and one rule for the recs. Do pros have a limit on what they take or do they have free run of whatever they want? If not why not?
JMO on the subject.
I am curious to know if there is any research done into dhu fish and their spawning grounds???
Pink snapper spawning ground is cockburn sound.. = a closure
Baldchin groper are Abroholos = Complete ban
Does anyone else know if there is 'Areas' Dhuies congregate for breeding?
This could be important if there were some 'zoning' restrictions put in place.
And from all reports, Snapper numbers seem to be increasing due to the spawning closure int he sound (Or so the reports say, and the rec anglers, and the amount of small snapper caught)
People who go to the abroholos say Baldchin are everywhere outr there, because there is a ban in place then can breed without being fished out.
Surely this data proves restricting spawning grounds DOES have an impact.
Whatever it takes but have the research to back it up,shorter bans would ease the pain with reduction in bag limits???
But ban everbody especialy the one's who have put us in this situation
I have just been told a group of pro fisherman have all chipped in and brought a wet liner for cervante's and jurien, what will happen up there to the V5 would'nt that have any impacts on them absolute crap!!!
I have read many of the comments made by you all and I agree with most.
Lets face it,we all understand that the V5 fish are not a numerus as they were 10/15 years or longer ago. but then the boating (Fishing) pressure was not as great either ,we all have sounders,gps and bigger boats,and the water near the available ramps is hammerd,So ,something must be done or there will not be any fish left in the future.
I will willingly forgo fishing for a couple of months during the breeding season,Which I believe is December,January<Febuary.but ,I will not do so if the professionals ,who are able to get ou far more often than me due to weather Ect, are allowed to fish,it must be a total ban,not a half arsed plan that was propossed as one fish less ,in the eco system,taken before its breed is gone for ever,along with its replacemnt young.Do it for five years,and then see what the fish stokes are like,if it works we will all gain,if not ,we have tried to protect our sport at least.
If the minister has the balls,and if they trully recognice the dollar value of recreational fishing to this states economy,he and fisheries should make a stand,Cray fisherman ,can and must only catch crays,No fin fish,No nets ,as most of you will know, Traweller nets are indiscriminate they catch big and small fish,and regardles of size ,if its dead its dead, Charter fisherman can fish for sambos or other not threatend fish stock during the lay up months,and any one caught doing the wrong thing,goes bigtime Fines or convercastion of gear. The problem is ,the pro lobby has too much money and is far better organized that we recreational fishers,money breds coruption,My view ,not this site. jersey
Cockburn sound for one is a breeding ground for the vunerable pink snapper yet even when the ban is on in the sound the pro boat is still raping the stock. You cant have one rule for them and one rule for the recs.
If he is catching snapper on or after 1 October then he's breaking the law and should be reported to Fishwatch.
Im new to the boating scene and had a ball last weekend getting my first dhuie!
Cant wait to get out there and do it all again. Been land based most my fishing life 30yrs.
Will be a shame about the closures but its that what needs to happen them im down with it ASLONG as its across the board! Pro's and charter!!!
So what will be the deal while the ban is on? No bottom rigs???? How are you suppose to fish for other species without looking like your targeting snapper/dhuies if bottom fishing?
loads of good comments, but tha majority of pple here and elsewhere are responsible fishermen,now why dont they introduce the 250m depth rule for down geo bay and sth of cap nats, the pros even fish skippy rock, a very small reef 1km offshore..
this makes absolutly no sense, we r trying to preserve, increasing the depths prob has had a good effect up in perth areas, but i tell you the amount of new pros down south is staggering.. uwa dropped cameras around the bay on numerous dropoffs, areas that breed, this was 2yrs ago for research.. what happened to this data..
we are all keen for some serious new bag limits, but tellin pple to stay out of the water is getting very ruling/ we,ll end up like north korea soon.
if they reduced the ban time for spawning and made it across the board,,
many many more pple would of agreed.
but charters and pros still pounding the areas that we fish with our kids families doesnt seem right.
either ban for all, or lower the limits.
i have seen some areas in the bay that r totally cleaned out..
hence the reason u need a big boat now to get out wide.
look at wrights bank, a poular diving fishing spot for holiday makers/families close in..
cleaned out totally, and still pros drag it .
the 4 mile cleaned out.
skippy reef cleaned out.
next they will be allowed to hammer the dive wrecks.
i have nothing personal against pros. but the rules that r set .
one thing postive now that has happened is that the pro cray guys cannot drop pots on surf breaks.. only because a cple surfers have been caught up.
If they,the goverment,want us recreationals not fish during certain times of the year,but they are willing to allow proffessionals to continue fishing,why dont we, get together as one and refuse to pay our boat registration for the time we are not able to fish,after all.If the fish are being taken by the commercial fisheries they are just as dead,I feel a bit of civil, organized,rebelion may be all thats left to us,radical yes,but how dinkum are we about this anomoly in the fishing industry,after all ,recreationals contribute to the state revenue through buying ,and servicing their boats, motors, trailers,gear,bait,fuel,we pay fuel tax and all the other taxes related to our sport, but proffessionals claim lots of taxes back?jersey just a thought
Permanent bans in certain Victorian areas were introduced a couple of years ago or more. Of course it didnt suit everyone specially the pro`s but eventually everyone learned to live with it. Just like the scallop boats were banned from Port Phillip bay about 20 years ago to save the snapper & yep theres great improved fishing as a result.
Heard a whisper that Frank from Recfish was sacked from his previous job in NSW equivalent of Recfish,you only have to listen to the mess they have over there and see whats happening here now---interesting!!!
I don't know, and I say it's no one else's business.
Frank Prokop has been working in WA for Recfishwest for over 10 years, and has proved himself here by giving sterling service to the WA recreational fishing community.
Funny how Frank and Recfishwest have been involved saying in several cases "There's a problem" only to get told by Fisheries and others (including recreational fishermen) "no, you're wrong, there's no problem" for some years, until suddenly it's "oh, hell, there is a SERIOUS problem, the fishery will have to be closed or cut back drastically."
Then everyone screams and says "why didn't somebody stop that from happening?"
Shark Bay Pink snapper, Cockburn Sound Pink Snapper, Cobbler in the Swan and Canning, Crabs in Cockburn Sound (Yep RFW is working on that) Crabs in Peel Harvey, Swan River prawns, Sharks, Rock Lobster, Abalone, and more.....
The West Coast demersal fish situation has many similarities and will be interesting to watch over the next several years.
Of course there are people who won't accept anything less than 100% delivery of EXACTLY what THEY want.
So they niggle and criticise from the safety of their computer keyboard, and many refuse to get involved in doing anything about the many problems.
Trouble is, there are lots of OTHER people who want different things. So satisfying some people will/might upset some others.
No win when the 100%ers demand that THEIR ideas get supported, regardless.
Sorry guys, it can't and doesn't work like that when sustainability and the interests of future generations of fish and fishermen are at risk.
TerryF
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Beavering away in the background.......
Not just frank and recfish been screaming about something needing to be done, I know of three people and one has been banned from 17 fishing sites because of his ranting and roaring.
Those 3 people have changed my thinking thats for sure.
I and a lot of others agree with the closure,the only thing I do NOT agree with is the commercial interest body be given special considerationSI am sure that if the recreationals were allowed to fish during this closed season but the pros were not there would be blue murder to pay.
I realise that fish stokes are depleted,I realise that something MUST be done for sustainability,and I endorse theplan for a closed season,(while the fish breed) but I do Not think it equitable nor fair allowing a section of money interested concernse have a special consideration (Commercial/Proffessionals) to the detrament of the rest of the fishing community.that smells of corruption in the highest levels.
And Terry,I will be more than happy to met with any oneface to face to put my point of view over.THAT IS A SEASONAL Ban FOR All.not just one section. let the minister and fisheries call an interested partise meeting. jersey
A do agree re Cockburn Sound having such Unique Vunerable Pink Snapper (UVPS) but as mentioned, the Com
guy slays it before & well after the ban. The 1 over 70 for us but no
limits on him and he knows exactly what/where/how.....that sux's....he
shouldn't be there if UVPS is a Big issue.
The Sound crabs, similar....when
re-opened the "no limits" slaying by com's and then we recs get tarred
when things go to shit again!
Is the word that comes to mind in all this,Its just that I would like a little consideration and input to the event before I get SCREWED or is it raped ,when a person is left helpless to do anything to stop what happens and is expected to go quitly along without a fight,well lets make sure the minister responsible knows our feelings,lets ask our reresentitives to tell the minister we,the recreationals demand a open meeting with him,after all ,he is a servent of all the West Australians not just some vested interest groupsjersey
Get the Minister to read this thread? Aparently hes out and about get info from the fishing and boating industry, would be good if he hears from the rec fisherman before making a decision, heard that he might be having a meeting in Rocko soon??
im only 14 but IMO restricted bag limits are an excellent idea because if u put closures in from one dat to another people are just gonna hammer the stocks before the ban comes in
we all know this because every rec fisho is saying gotta get out their as much as possible for the ban
even in the fishing reports we all read they sasy get out before the ban kicks in
this is just an easy way out for the fisheries
there is much better ways of getting around these problems
and i personally think they need to be much more pro active instead of going oh crap thers bugger all fish left better put some bans on or something
Fishermen and conservationists remain divided over looming fishing bans for five of WA’s popular fish species, with the Fisheries Minister due to announce today whether he will back away from the controversial reform package.
WA Fishing Industry Council chief executive Graeme Stewart said commercial fishermen had been banned from fishing in the metropolitan zone since late last year and subject to increased restrictions in other areas in order to maintain the sustainability of WA fisheries.
“We would be disappointed if (the recreational bans) didn’t go ahead because it was part of the entire package that each fishery reduce their catch by half and if you don’t do that you are wasting your time,” he said.
The Wilderness Society WA has also warned urgent action is needed to protect the iconic species dubbed the “vulnerable five” while recreational fishing groups have claimed annual bans of up to four months over the popular summer fishing period would be too harsh.
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yeh!
Yeh heard the same thing. About time things went in our favour and now some good "researched decision making required".... not knee-jerk!
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For real
Hopefully now for a program that makes sense
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No surprise - congrats - relisten?
No surprise really, but nothing could be assumed. Looks like I'm not going to get invaded after all
. I'm all for sustainability, but let's see more level heads this time round. Good luck with the V5s WCB fishos 
I missed the program, is it possible to relisten to it or see a transcript?
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kaney68
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That's good for now..
That's good for now...
Takes the presure off trying to get out before the 15th
If a ban was to take place, something the father in law came up with was to have allocated fishing days based on the last number of the boat rego - odd or even number... similar to that of sprinkler watering days !
Somewhere there would have to be turn around point(s), so you wouldn't get stuck with only fishing the same set days for 3 months.
Straight away you have reduced the number of boats fishing at any one time (possibly half), reducing the catch rates, keeping retailers happy and in business - not to mention keeping fisho's happy that they can still fish over the 3 month period (just not on their non-allocated days)
Sure, guys would team up with mates who have the right to fish on the day, but you would still be reducing the physical number of boats (and people fishing on those boats) by half. After all you can only fit so many passangers on a boat !
I've mentioned this to the research guys back the ramps a few times and every guy I've spoken to thinks it's a great idea.
cheers,
Paul
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I heard something about this
I heard it on the radio as well, but didnt catch all of it (96fm if they repeat it for those who want to catch it).
Pretty sure he mentioned about needing to implement measures to reduce numbers caught, but I dont think anyone here is against bag limit reductions or introduction of boat limits if it will help our fish stocks.
Kaney68, if they had it so you could fish odd days of the month if your rego was odd and even if it was even then it would alternate each week. So if you got sunday one weekend, it would be sat next weekend (for most of the month).
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G'day hlokk, Just mapped
G'day hlokk,
Just mapped it out..
Week 1
Monday odd
Tuesday even
Wednesday odd
Thursday even
Friday odd
Saturday even
Sunday odd
Week 2
Monday even
Tuesday odd
Wednesday even
Thursday odd
Friday even
Saturday odd
Sunday even
Everyone gets to fish alternate weekends !
cheers,
Paul
Fish today.....work tomorrow !
Rodrat
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Great news
Its great news for all rec anglers but especially for myself and others that only get out for a fish maybe a couple times a month.
FISH FOR THE FUTURE
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Did Stormin Norman make that announcement or was
it Colin Barnett? There is no details on either's Govt sites and the Fisheries Department is still stating info about the bans coming into effect. But the wheels of government do move slowly.
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Good news,,leave the bans on
Good news,,leave the bans on the website Col 1,,there will be less crowds on the water,,lol
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Lol Number 3 As long as they don't all start taking up beach and
rock fishing.
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Lets delete the thread (mums
Lets delete the thread (mums the word,lol)and start a new one,,all rock and beach fishing banned 2008-9 while research is carried out
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LMAO #3
NOOOOOOOOOOO! Then I'll get invaded again
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Research Frames
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research!
I've got some pinky frames that i'll drop off to Hilarys research tomorrow Andy. The 2001-2006 Sound tagging program funds have dried up and whats avaialable for research is yeh very limited now. They need more research but as you mentioned budget cuts to this area!!!
I have a meeting with a few researches tomorrow. They're wanting to do a new study re Biomas/egg survey and female pink snapper population. Getting an exemption for myself and another person re the Sound closure wasn't easy. We'll get a few free hooks but the rest is at our cost...happy to do it but!
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I think that sactuary zones
I think that sactuary zones would be better for sustainablty of fish stocks. More reasch would need to be done so that breeding areas weren't still open, like what happens in the cockburn sound. I know this is hard because not all of the 5 species migrate to specific areas to spawn but sactuary zones would be better than an outright ban. JMO
So many fishing spots. Not enough sickies!!!!!!!
Neander
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Yeah Watto I agree with
Yeah Watto I agree with Sanctuary zones.
Even islander fishermen worked out if they didnt fish a blanket area, those fish stocks would then repopulate areas where fishing had depleted stocks.
Watto069
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Yeh thats what I thought.
Yeh thats what I thought. Also with a sactuary zone the pro's shouldn't be able to fish them either. I should be a blanket ban from all fishing within those zones
So many fishing spots. Not enough sickies!!!!!!!
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Good news Wednesday
At last a little bit of common sense by our new government.
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Mate your post yesterday was
Mate your post yesterday was all doom & gloom what happened
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Big Kev
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No Fish Ban
AAAAH good I wont have to use the secret hidey hole in the boat haha
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HuggyB
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anything concrete?
or just a radio announcement?
No media release by the governement.......I'll continue not holding my breath.
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gpc123
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premier was on 6PR this
premier was on 6PR this morning said mr moore was working it now, and we will have an anscer this week. Regards:Geoff
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I didn't hear that it was
I didn't hear that it was shelved, I heard the new minister was looking at the details and was going to make a decision in a few days time on what will happen?
VAGABOND
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Just watched CH10 news,
Just watched CH10 news, there was a guy from Recfishwest wanting the bans to stay in place,
Andy Mac
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on channel 10 news just now
Just a review, no definate removal of the ban. Norman will be making his decision later in the week.
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so who from recfishwest was
so who from recfishwest was on the news ????
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Frank Prokop
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Shorty
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Whats up with that ? I
Whats up with that ? I thought Recfish were on our side ?
"Please explain "!!! *said in my best Pauline Hansen voice "
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apparently not colin 3
I reckon there should be lower bag limits etc etc but an all out ban is a bit too much.
bit disappointed in recfish west.
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Shorty
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My thoughts exactly Huggy,
My thoughts exactly Huggy, then everybody will be happy (most anyway)
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Is this a flip or a flop
Quote Huggy in V5 ban
I agree with the ban Mav
And now you don't.
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So what did Frank actually say?
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HuggyB
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frank prokop
basically said that he wanted the bans to stay in place as they were.
baffling as to why he would say this? certainly isn't the majority view of rec fishers I would say....
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ROCKPOM
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Very silly boy!! Theres a
Very silly boy!!
Theres a quick lesson on how to cut ones throat in the Recfish world.
TerryF
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Who thought the V5 bans would be lifted completely???
Quote by Ginger Meggs:- Complicated problems have simple, easy to understand WRONG answers....
Fact:- Too many fish being caught/killed for sustainability of some of the species.
Fact:- No easy answers (sorry, yes there are easy answers, but they are the wrong answers)
As far as I know:- It's true that Fisheries Minister Norman Moore is reviewing the proposed rules.
It's true that the Minister will announce his decision on Friday.
It's true that even 10 year old kids understand that people have to fish for the future and have to look after the fish stocks for the future.
It's true that there are no simple, no easy answers to cutting the catch to protect the future of some vulnerable species.
It's true that there is a lack of information about the impact of different management/rule changes on cutting the catch.
It's true that there are lots of different ideas out there about how the fish should be protected. Lots of those are based on an incomplete understanding of the issues, and lots of ideas will actually not give enough reduction to the total catch over the full year.
It's true that WHATEVER decision(s) are made, some people will be unhappy
The PACKAGE of rules proposed by the previous Labor Government was a set of compromises. It's true that a lot of people disagreed with different parts of this, and disagreed with the compromises
Recfishwest's position is in its April 2008 submission on the proposals - see "Recfishwest submission:- Recommended changes to recreational fishing of vulnerable iconic fish, Strategy for Managing the Recreational Catch of Demersal Scalefish in the West Coast Bioregion" http://www.recfishwest.org.au/SubDemersalFishingFMP228.htm
Part of that included shorter closures, plus proper research on the impact, as part of a package because nothing else actually protected the fish enough.
Oh, and here's more from that Recfishwest page "What Recfishwest does for recreational fishing, and for YOU." http://www.recfishwest.org.au/WhatRFWDoes.htm
Anyone think that it's easy????????
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ROCKPOM
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I dont think anyone said its
I dont think anyone said its easy Terry
But when the majority of fishos think the BAN is extreme shouldnt the majority be listened too!
My kids love Ginger Meggs also!
TerryF
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Cacth 22
It seems that what most of you are saying that you don't want closures to be part of the package of answers.
But no other possible rule changes or restrictions cut the catch by enough.
Hard decisions have to be made. Catch 22.
These proposals are about recreational fishing rules and will apply to Charter and Recreational. Yep I know about the possibility of charter exemptions raised by Dept of Fisheries but there's a new Minister.
Commercial fishing is managed under different rules. Recfishwest doesn't make the rules - the Minister and Dept of Fisheries make the rules.
It's OK for people to make smart arse remarks about cancer which could be seen as being aimed at one of the people involved, and it's OK to misrepresent things, but it's not OK for me to say what children at this morning's Recfishwest fishing clinic said.
Mixed standards.....
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Albee Mangles
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Bag Limits
I would rather have to only keep one fish from each class for every outing, than not be able to fish at all.
Is this an answer? Make the bag limits tiny, make it catch and release for all i care, but for gods sake LET US AT LEAST GO OUT AND PARTICIPATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least that way the recreational community can still exist in its present form. Is there a chance for an outside influence on a decision being made in 2 days? I doubt it, they would already have there changes drafted, and ready to release in my opinion.
Best we all wait till friday, see what type of tumour is revealed...
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Full story
The full story
The reply
And the response, (minus a detail...)
Yep sounds really unhappy, that guy.
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TerryF
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Throwing in ways and methods
Show us what you think should be done. Pick out the parts from all those suggestions and make up a package which will not have closures AND will achieve the cuts AND will be accepted by the majority AND will be enforceable AND will give catch information, etc, etc.
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pgreen1
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I dont like to get involved
I dont like to get involved in these but after reading all of this I would have to say that the majority are simply after the same thing. NO CLOSURE. IMO I would like to see reduced bag limits on the V5 and tighter control of the pro industry including charter between the proposed closure dates ( without a closure ), sensible and realistic sancuarys and better research
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Bodie
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i agree with everyone on
i agree with everyone on here.
Closures are not the answer. ESPECIALLY if the charter, and professionals are not in the same boat.
Terry your asking for someone to propose a package...but all packages proposed by the old labour government and recfish are done on limited data? limited information on whats actually happening. You said it yourself previously, how can restrictions be brought in when there is limited data provided.
Is this period between oct and dec selected because this is the breeding period for all the V5 fish??
Terry recfish is hitting in the Dark. You say now is the time to act, then act on getting some substansial data. How do you expect the rec community to understand and participate in anythinmg recfish says or offers when the facts are limited.
I think recfish's narrow vision is missing thebigger picture. Your trying to do what the US government is doing, and taking a last ditch effort to do something drastic, without knowing what the concequenses will be.
But personally, 9 weeks isnt that long for a ban, and parts of me think banning fishing for a certian period cant make the 'fish stocks' get any worse. But if the ban stays for Recreational people, then it should be uniform across the board, no charter, no professionals.... No point only restricting one group. The only thing this achieves is creating a very unhappy recreational community.
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Emotive thread
Guys I know this is an emotive topic and as a moderator my jobs to sit on the fence and see both sides. I know about and have read the 'cancer comment' being used in the discussion, but please refrain from using it again as it won't lead anywhere good for anyone.
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TerryF
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West coast rules
Have got clarification: 9 weeks Wed 15 October to Mon 15 December, not to 25 December is what Recfishwest was proposing in the Channel 10 interview. That's consistent with the submission http://www.recfishwest.org.au/SubDemersalFishingFMP228.htm#Rec5
Yep the data is limited, no one denies that.
Getting that sort of fisheries data is NOT a one-off activity. Also that's the job of the Dept of Fisheries, not Recfishwest.
Ideally several years of data is needed. Recfishwest has criticised lots about the quality and lack of data.
Bigger changes should have been made 10 or more years ago and all the data gathered since then, and these difficult decisions would either not be needed now or would have proper data to use.
Few people disagree that real and effective changes HAVE to be made VERY SOON for the sustainability of the fish.
These proposals are about recreational fishing rules and will apply to Charter as well as recreational. Yep I know about the possibility of charter exemptions raised by Dept of Fisheries but there's a new Minister to make those decisions.
Commercial fishing is managed under different rules. Recfishwest doesn't make the rules - the Minister and Dept of Fisheries make those rules.
The period Oct -Dec and later all of Oct- all of Jan were chosen because they cover SOME of the spawning times, but not all, and were calculated (although there are arguments about that) to cut the catch by the target amount (and there are arguments about that too).
I actually was asking those people who say it isn't rocket science and it's all been said to put up and post THEIR package so that others can see if THEIR package IS better.
Oh and just saying "no closures" won't cut it.
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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me!
I personally never agreed with the labour 4 month proposed Ban (that was bullshit) but if "I" was "forced" due to some drastic action required had to have a closure then i'd expect 1st October to end November (8 weeks) also in line with the Cockburn Sound closure. Going into X-mas or close to will effect the whole state industry....more so than the "fishing impact"!
I still stand by heavy reduction in the bag limit, cat 1 species take and imposing boat limits " FIRST " then after some heavy digging/research is done then look at plan B limited closures "if" required.....jmo
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Rodrat
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For the Future
Like the majority of rec anglers i am not happy with a complete ban. I for one would be happy to see size limits raised and bag limits cut. I would rather be able to bring home one snapper or one dhuie for the family than nothing at all. Why wasnt something done years ago? If it had of, then it could have been small changes over a long period of time rather than slap on a complete ban.If a 10yr old child understands fishing for the future why didnt the government and fisheries years ago? Surley a daily limit of one snapper instead of four and one dhuie instead of two etc... would have an impact bigger than a ban.
Arent anglers going to make up for the ban before and after by keeping there daily bag limit every time? If a ban must happen then make it fair across the board! Pro, rec everyone! I understand that pros have a business to run, but only banning recs is taking away our freedom to fish. Having zoning areas for vunerables would be better than a ban. The cockburn sound for one is a breeding ground for the vunerable pink snapper yet even when the ban is on in the sound the pro boat is still raping the stock. You cant have one rule for them and one rule for the recs. Do pros have a limit on what they take or do they have free run of whatever they want? If not why not?
JMO on the subject.
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Bodie
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I am curious to know if
I am curious to know if there is any research done into dhu fish and their spawning grounds???
Pink snapper spawning ground is cockburn sound.. = a closure
Baldchin groper are Abroholos = Complete ban
Does anyone else know if there is 'Areas' Dhuies congregate for breeding?
This could be important if there were some 'zoning' restrictions put in place.
And from all reports, Snapper numbers seem to be increasing due to the spawning closure int he sound (Or so the reports say, and the rec anglers, and the amount of small snapper caught)
People who go to the abroholos say Baldchin are everywhere outr there, because there is a ban in place then can breed without being fished out.
Surely this data proves restricting spawning grounds DOES have an impact.
ROCKPOM
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Sure is mate and Naturliste
Sure is mate and Naturliste Reef (spelling) is one of the areas
Camera work comes in handy in looking at the ground and fish in these types of areas.
As for the Snapper its always dependant on good recruitment years in the sound with a lot of factors contrbuting to good or bad years.
Snapper had a great sprawning year in and around 2000 and the the indication of that is the increase in spawning Bio mass 7 to 8 years later.
Plankton towing on the new and full moons picks up on eggs produced during spring.
But as everyone is screaming NO pro in the sound why are they not listerning????
diji
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Put the V5 ban on
Whatever it takes but have the research to back it up,shorter bans would ease the pain with reduction in bag limits???
But ban everbody especialy the one's who have put us in this situation
I have just been told a group of pro fisherman have all chipped in and brought a wet liner for cervante's and jurien, what will happen up there to the V5 would'nt that have any impacts on them absolute crap!!!
jersey
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What is the Answere
I have read many of the comments made by you all and I agree with most.
Lets face it,we all understand that the V5 fish are not a numerus as they were 10/15 years or longer ago. but then the boating (Fishing) pressure was not as great either ,we all have sounders,gps and bigger boats,and the water near the available ramps is hammerd,So ,something must be done or there will not be any fish left in the future.
I will willingly forgo fishing for a couple of months during the breeding season,Which I believe is December,January<Febuary.but ,I will not do so if the professionals ,who are able to get ou far more often than me due to weather Ect, are allowed to fish,it must be a total ban,not a half arsed plan that was propossed as one fish less ,in the eco system,taken before its breed is gone for ever,along with its replacemnt young.Do it for five years,and then see what the fish stokes are like,if it works we will all gain,if not ,we have tried to protect our sport at least.
If the minister has the balls,and if they trully recognice the dollar value of recreational fishing to this states economy,he and fisheries should make a stand,Cray fisherman ,can and must only catch crays,No fin fish,No nets ,as most of you will know, Traweller nets are indiscriminate they catch big and small fish,and regardles of size ,if its dead its dead, Charter fisherman can fish for sambos or other not threatend fish stock during the lay up months,and any one caught doing the wrong thing,goes bigtime Fines or convercastion of gear. The problem is ,the pro lobby has too much money and is far better organized that we recreational fishers,money breds coruption,My view ,not this site. jersey
Justin Poole
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Time to read up
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/WestCoastDemersal/management.php
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TerryF
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Cockburn sound snapper off limits to everyone
If he is catching snapper on or after 1 October then he's breaking the law and should be reported to Fishwatch.
Metropolitan Pink Snapper Rules http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/WestLimits/snapper.php?0102 are now in force, independent of any changes to general West Coast fishing rules which were proposed to start on 15 October.
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ROCKPOM
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Unfortunately fish dont
Unfortunately fish dont carry a calender .....
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Im new to the boating scene
Im new to the boating scene and had a ball last weekend getting my first dhuie!
Cant wait to get out there and do it all again. Been land based most my fishing life 30yrs.
Will be a shame about the closures but its that what needs to happen them im down with it ASLONG as its across the board! Pro's and charter!!!
So what will be the deal while the ban is on? No bottom rigs???? How are you suppose to fish for other species without looking like your targeting snapper/dhuies if bottom fishing?
Will it be trolling and surface fishing only?
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harro
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naturaliste reef
loads of good comments, but tha majority of pple here and elsewhere are responsible fishermen,now why dont they introduce the 250m depth rule for down geo bay and sth of cap nats, the pros even fish skippy rock, a very small reef 1km offshore..
this makes absolutly no sense, we r trying to preserve, increasing the depths prob has had a good effect up in perth areas, but i tell you the amount of new pros down south is staggering.. uwa dropped cameras around the bay on numerous dropoffs, areas that breed, this was 2yrs ago for research.. what happened to this data..
we are all keen for some serious new bag limits, but tellin pple to stay out of the water is getting very ruling/ we,ll end up like north korea soon.
if they reduced the ban time for spawning and made it across the board,,
many many more pple would of agreed.
but charters and pros still pounding the areas that we fish with our kids families doesnt seem right.
either ban for all, or lower the limits.
i have seen some areas in the bay that r totally cleaned out..
hence the reason u need a big boat now to get out wide.
look at wrights bank, a poular diving fishing spot for holiday makers/families close in..
cleaned out totally, and still pros drag it .
the 4 mile cleaned out.
skippy reef cleaned out.
next they will be allowed to hammer the dive wrecks.
i have nothing personal against pros. but the rules that r set .
one thing postive now that has happened is that the pro cray guys cannot drop pots on surf breaks.. only because a cple surfers have been caught up.
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jersey
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From left wing
If they,the goverment,want us recreationals not fish during certain times of the year,but they are willing to allow proffessionals to continue fishing,why dont we, get together as one and refuse to pay our boat registration for the time we are not able to fish,after all.If the fish are being taken by the commercial fisheries they are just as dead,I feel a bit of civil, organized,rebelion may be all thats left to us,radical yes,but how dinkum are we about this anomoly in the fishing industry,after all ,recreationals contribute to the state revenue through buying ,and servicing their boats, motors, trailers,gear,bait,fuel,we pay fuel tax and all the other taxes related to our sport, but proffessionals claim lots of taxes back?jersey just a thought
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From left wing
We shouldn't be paying road tax on boat fuel either.......
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LMAO. Nice to see a bit of humour.
I'm sure I'll catch a biggy oneday.
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Anymore news on this V5
Anymore news on this V5 being canned?
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Shorty
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Can't be long now Marc, i
Can't be long now Marc, i have not been listening to the radio today but hopefully Norman has annouced a sensible compomise.
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rainbow
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Victoria has blanket bans
Permanent bans in certain Victorian areas were introduced a couple of years ago or more. Of course it didnt suit everyone specially the pro`s but eventually everyone learned to live with it. Just like the scallop boats were banned from Port Phillip bay about 20 years ago to save the snapper & yep theres great improved fishing as a result.
Labour government b.t.w
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HuggyB
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so no media release?
Hmmmmm......
good or bad?
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carnarvonite
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Curious???
Heard a whisper that Frank from Recfish was sacked from his previous job in NSW equivalent of Recfish,you only have to listen to the mess they have over there and see whats happening here now---interesting!!!
TerryF
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Rumours and innuendo. I
Rumours and innuendo.
I don't know, and I say it's no one else's business.
Frank Prokop has been working in WA for Recfishwest for over 10 years, and has proved himself here by giving sterling service to the WA recreational fishing community.
Funny how Frank and Recfishwest have been involved saying in several cases "There's a problem" only to get told by Fisheries and others (including recreational fishermen) "no, you're wrong, there's no problem" for some years, until suddenly it's "oh, hell, there is a SERIOUS problem, the fishery will have to be closed or cut back drastically."
Then everyone screams and says "why didn't somebody stop that from happening?"
Shark Bay Pink snapper, Cockburn Sound Pink Snapper, Cobbler in the Swan and Canning, Crabs in Cockburn Sound (Yep RFW is working on that) Crabs in Peel Harvey, Swan River prawns, Sharks, Rock Lobster, Abalone, and more.....
The West Coast demersal fish situation has many similarities and will be interesting to watch over the next several years.
Of course there are people who won't accept anything less than 100% delivery of EXACTLY what THEY want.
So they niggle and criticise from the safety of their computer keyboard, and many refuse to get involved in doing anything about the many problems.
Trouble is, there are lots of OTHER people who want different things. So satisfying some people will/might upset some others.
No win when the 100%ers demand that THEIR ideas get supported, regardless.
Sorry guys, it can't and doesn't work like that when sustainability and the interests of future generations of fish and fishermen are at risk.
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Maverick
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Not just frank and recfish
Not just frank and recfish been screaming about something needing to be done, I know of three people and one has been banned from 17 fishing sites because of his ranting and roaring.
Those 3 people have changed my thinking thats for sure.
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Shorty
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No media release,,,hhmm the
No media release,,,hhmm the plot thickens
Take your time Norman theres only 100,00 people holding there collective breaths,,lol
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diji
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What happend to the crabs in the sound
Will it be open this year
jersey
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On the money
I and a lot of others agree with the closure,the only thing I do NOT agree with is the commercial interest body be given special considerationSI am sure that if the recreationals were allowed to fish during this closed season but the pros were not there would be blue murder to pay.
I realise that fish stokes are depleted,I realise that something MUST be done for sustainability,and I endorse theplan for a closed season,(while the fish breed) but I do Not think it equitable nor fair allowing a section of money interested concernse have a special consideration (Commercial/Proffessionals) to the detrament of the rest of the fishing community.that smells of corruption in the highest levels.
And Terry,I will be more than happy to met with any oneface to face to put my point of view over.THAT IS A SEASONAL Ban FOR All.not just one section. let the minister and fisheries call an interested partise meeting. jersey
Maverick
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Breeding
This ban has nothing to do with helping the fish to breed it's to stop people taking fish !!!!!!
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Ryan Thipthorp (not verified)
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The Sound!
A do agree re Cockburn Sound having such Unique Vunerable Pink Snapper (UVPS) but as mentioned, the Com guy slays it before & well after the ban. The 1 over 70 for us but no limits on him and he knows exactly what/where/how.....that sux's....he shouldn't be there if UVPS is a Big issue.
The Sound crabs, similar....when re-opened the "no limits" slaying by com's and then we recs get tarred when things go to shit again!
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jersey
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Passion
Is the word that comes to mind in all this,Its just that I would like a little consideration and input to the event before I get SCREWED or is it raped ,when a person is left helpless to do anything to stop what happens and is expected to go quitly along without a fight,well lets make sure the minister responsible knows our feelings,lets ask our reresentitives to tell the minister we,the recreationals demand a open meeting with him,after all ,he is a servent of all the West Australians not just some vested interest groups
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Get the Minister to read
Get the Minister to read this thread? Aparently hes out and about get info from the fishing and boating industry, would be good if he hears from the rec fisherman before making a decision, heard that he might be having a meeting in Rocko soon??
schecky
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im only 14 but IMO
im only 14 but IMO restricted bag limits are an excellent idea because if u put closures in from one dat to another people are just gonna hammer the stocks before the ban comes in
we all know this because every rec fisho is saying gotta get out their as much as possible for the ban
even in the fishing reports we all read they sasy get out before the ban kicks in
this is just an easy way out for the fisheries
there is much better ways of getting around these problems
and i personally think they need to be much more pro active instead of going oh crap thers bugger all fish left better put some bans on or something
just my opinion
reuben.
Bodie
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http://fishforlifealliance.co
http://fishforlifealliance.com/Media24060%5B2%5D.pdf
Thats a very very interesting read.
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Good read there Bodie :)
Good read there Bodie :)
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