Have been managing to get in to some good fish land based around the cape here in Exmouth over the last couple of weekends. This one earns a spot on the brag board but I think..... could see this big boy sitting in a shallow hole about 10m from shore. I was fishing 30lb for spangoes mainly and was tossing up whether I should bother putting a bait in its face because I thought I had no chance of stopping it!

I chose to take a chance and after it sniffing around the bait for about a minute, it took it for pretty well one decent run straight for the horizon across the shallow reef. This run lasted for about 30 odd seconds before the fish largely gave in and I slowly pulled it back to the beach. 

Certainly got the heart racing and was pretty chuffed. Got a couple of spangoes also in about a 45 minute session so a decent morning!

Over the moon with job. Anyway let’s all get back . Into anti vaccine people . Who help no one . Smiley face . Smiley face . 45 thousands litres gone to waste. B.k any thoughts .? Apart from my grandkids enjoying themselves?

Nothing quite says camping like two days of strong wind warnings and the risk of a thunderstorms....but off we headed, down Waroona way on Friday after school. 

Friday night until around 4 in the morning was very windy with out Rhino awaning liberating from its aluminium frame and the 6m Kings gazebo over our swag pumping throughout the night like an obese athletes lungs. I was waiting for it to blow out.

We were up at 0245 to secure some of our gear and saw the lignitng start and boy did it deliver. Closest flash bang we got was 3 seconds which puts it at ~1km away.

Once that finally buggered off mid morning, we managed to get across to the lake for a bit of a fish with Blake very keen to knock off either redfin or rainbow on his fish ID book. A few casts later, his nephew asks for a go and instantly gets a hookup landing a decent fish. Yay but bugger. The fish is put back after a quick look and Blake gets his rod back. Over the next hour walking around the lake, we get and see nothing....

Back to camp for a couple of hours and we head off to a different dam for another go. Saw plenty of marron and one redfin pop out for a look though didnt get any hook up's. Still, it was nice and fresh so for that part, good to have a look.

Back to the first dam and 20 minutes into casting without seeing anything and time to tell Blake to put his jumper on. He passes me the rod, I jig it twice and I am on! He ditches the jumper and I hand him the rod for him to reel in a healthy rainbow trout after a couple of runs.

To say he was stoked was an understatement. Everyone across the damn new he had a fish and after a few reminders about not being a youtuber (he watches too much YBS) we sorted the fish out, got a few snaps and took it back to camp. Not another fish was cought.

It was processed, wrapped in foil and cooked on coals for 10 minutes on each side. A few had a taste and it was certainly unoffensive. 

Glad to get another species knocked off

 Stepped away from the jab chat for a bit today and got a few fish. Anyone else go well? Launched from Hillarys and to our surprise when we retrieved the boat there were no fisheries officers collecting rec catch data! Who woulda thought? 

While she was sleeping . Missed whale spotting. Missed the lot . Apparently enjoyed herself . Got some thumping squid . 1.4 the biggest . Got a huge sea pike on duo jig . Grandkids loved teeth in it .. 15 squid for 15.8 kg . Very happy . Wife took good picture .

Steamed out of hillarys for an hour in some OK conditions and caught a few fish. Would love to get someone from DPIRD to come for a ride one day! Would be able to explain to them that there's fish around you just need to look for them and not ask blokes at the ramp. 

 hi just wondering if anyone - sparky ,can help with wiring 12,000 lb winch to boat trailer with anderson plug so as to connect to back of 4x4 to retrive boat 

30 squid for 29 2 kilo . Biggest being 1.33 kgs that I weighed in . 20 off them over kilo mark . 2 nd biggest 1.284 kg .Got a good herring also .No small squid today . Some crackers around atm , great fun you can not beat squid fishing.

 Bloody great fun on light Tailor gear.

The Smiling Jack took a bashing.......

Mackie Islands 2022 

So our annual big fishing trip took us back to the Mackeral Islands this year. Havnt been for a couple of years but it is such a good time over there although the shark population is almost ruining the fishing with the amount of gear let alone fish that you loose. Even from 2 years ago it has gotten alot worse.... Crazy to see about 15 sharks destroy a Spanish Mack on the surface haha and this happened numerous amount of times at numerous different spots. Heres a bit of a write up on how the trip went, it’s a bit long winded but anyway, grab a beer and have a read. If anyone is thinking about this trip feel free to hit me up if you need any info!!

Day 1 and 2:

Left home at gentlemans hours of around 8:00am as we decided this year we will stop half way for night then continue on the next day. We drove up to Wooramel station where we met one of the other boats to swag it the night. Bloody good spot that one, kicking back with a cold beer in the warm artesian spas was brilliant after 8 hours of driving. 

Up the next morning when the sun woke us up and into Carnarvon for breaky where we met the 3rd of our 4 boats heading up... They left at midnight so met us right at the right time in carnarvon. the venture from Carnarvon through to Onlslow is pretty booring... But got there late arvo and swagged it at the caravan park and off to the pub for a feed, met the 4th boat and has a good old chin wag.

Day 3:

Up when the sun woke us up, breaky and check in at the resort to venture over to the island. Had to get over to the island before 9:00am as they were unloading a barge. This day was very very windy but we were all excited so we wanted to get out for a fish. Straight over to the island and unloaded then headed to a red emperor spot close to the island that produced well last year...... Very very sharky. Were hooking up to very decent fish but could only land 1 Red. Moved a little deeper to more good red ground and all we could catch was Rankin. As it was the first day most Rankin went back. Kept 1 Rankin and 1 Red and decided to head in shallower for a dive to get some Trout. In the water for about 30 mins and I was able to nail a big trout that went 750mm and the other guys got 2 more to top off the first days catch. Back to the island, filleted and unpacked all our gear into the cabin. A few Rums and dinner and it was time to hit the sack.............. Although getting sleep is hard work haha the mice problem there now is insane, the mice in the walls, in the roof, on your bed haha makes for a hard night sleep without ear plugs. The island is doing everything they can to control them but with all the work with Shevron going on there the mice have moved into the cabins haha

Day 4:

The wind wasnt looking too bad today so we decided to head to Rosily to try get some mackies and do a bit of bottom fishing. As soon as you hooked a mackie it got destroyed by sharks.... Actually a really awesome sight to see, but not if you dont get your $30 lure back... Gave up on that idea and went out a little wider where we got Reds and trout last time. One of the first drops I thought I got a really good red but turned out to be a Saddle at 760mm was my first saddle so was stoked. Ended up fishing everywhere from 10 – 80m but most spots were sharked out so we just kept on moving, drinking beers and having a good old time. Ended up with a few decent fish, saddletail, trout, rankin but nothing special. Headed back to the island for a cook up and a few games of cards!

Day 5:

This day was the pick of the days with wind prediction going to be glass. One of the boats decided to send it out wide to get Rubies and fish the wells. We did that last time we went so gave them the spots and we stayed in close again. The conditions were amazing. Glassy for pretty much all day, no sea anchor, no drift, was bloody awesome. Same deal fished 20 – 80m mainly targeting reds, ended up with the usual trout, rankin but no reds. Once again very sharky. Put in a bit more of an effort diving as the conditions were good and got a couple of crays and trout to top off the bag. Back at the fillet table the boat that went out wide came back in with massive smiles on their face. Ended up with 4 decent sized rubies and a 10.5kg Red Emperor amongst trout, rankin etc. They had a ripper day and that Red they caught was huge. The guys from the island went and got the scales as it was the biggest red they have seen for a while. The guys were stoked to say the least!!

Days 6 and 7:

Looking really windy these 2 days. First day snuck out to the back of the island hoping to troll up some trout and maybe a Mackie as we hadn’t got any Pelagics to this point. Ended up with a heap or school macks which make awesome bait and a decent size Spaniard. On the protected side of the island managed to jump in for a dive but was pretty dead, saw a few trout but were hoping for crays but couldn’t locate any. Second windy day was horrible, no boating this day. The Island crew took us to the back beach on the island hoping to cast for small GTs etc, last time we came this was a highlight of the trip…… This time was a total disappointment…. 1 small Trev landed between the 12 of us haha so just drank a lot of beers until we were picked up 2 hours later haha. That arvo we hit the rec room for a pool and darts comp then had a bit of fun trying to locate squid at the jetty and talking to some of the Shevron boys that were on RDO.

Day 8:

Wasn’t looking too bad wind wise so we decided to head south to a few good spots we found last year…… This time I don’t think we were getting sharked, but instead were getting Codded hahaha Would hook up to a decent fish, fight for a bit then bang something hit it which was almost impossible to stop and bricked us in the reef. One of the guys managed to get one up and it was well over a metre cod. From experience these things are bloody hard to release after being pulled up but have a bit of a method from last time puncturing their swim bladder from behind the fin and squeezing the belly to release the air, once that was done we were able to swim it for a while and then it took off with a massive swish of its tail, swam away really well. We sounded around and sounded around marking fish, ground everywhere. Managed a lot of rankin but most were released, rankin must be everywhere, almost every spot got rankin. Managed to get a couple of Cobia which was good for the pelagic bag.

Day 9

This was probably the best days fishing of the trip and what I remember the mackeral islands to be. Wind wise was looking pretty good and we hadn’t got many pelagics on board so decided to focus on trolling. Went to a few spots we had good luck on last time. Trolling for about 5 minutes and bang, massive run. Was a big Mackie. We were reversing on it getting line back then whack…. About 20 sharks attacked the poor Mackie. Sharks, Mackie jumping in the air everywhere was a bloody good sight, managed to pull the lure back in which was a bonus. Decided to move a bit further up and trolling and no joke we couldn’t even get the rods in the rod holder before we were on again, we had 3 rods out and a teaser but ended up dropping down to just 2 rods and no teaser there were that many fish. In total we caught 15 mackies, lost 4 to sharks, 3 lures and released a few smaller specimen. Literally in about 2 hours of complete chaos we ended up with out 30kgs (10kgs each) of pelagic fillets. Never had a Mackie bite like it, was complete chaos and something I will be talking about for years to come. We left the mackies biting as we had what we needed and thought if the top water action was this good then the bottom bouncing should be good too…… Not disappointed. Literally every drop we were getting fish and not many sharks. Ended up taking home a couple of rankin, a red and a couple of trout. Back at the fillet station that arvo we were the only boat out of the 4 of us that went south, all the others went North towards Rosily and Penguin and they didn’t have much luck so they were stoked to see us get so many fish, they all had the same idea to head out there the next day……. We had other plans as we were almost bagged out….. Mud Crabs!!!

Day 10:

I love mud crabs so was hoping to get back to main land and down one of the creeks, I packed a few drop nets to hopefully get a few. Headed to mainland on an incoming tide and navigated our way into one of the creeks…. It isn’t easy with a 7.2M boat haha. At one point it was that shallow we had to lift the engine and let the tide drift us over the sand bar hahaha but ended up getting in with no real issues. Went down the creek which was about 1.2m the whole way up. Dropped the nets and decided to go for a walk hooking while we wait…… Couldn’t believe it… No holes at all near the creek but once you got out of the mangrove and onto the flats there were holes everywhere. Ended up hooking 7 big bucks out of their holes. We were absolutely stoked!!! One of the boys got nailed by sand flies but it was sooo worth it…. To our surprise we got absolutely nothing in the nets, but we had enough with the 7 we hooked so decided to journey back to the island and do a bit of fishing on the way… Found a few little lumps where we decided to drop Vibes down… These vibes were given to us by Mackdog Tackle as we purchased a lot of their underdog jigs for the trip. Gave the vibes a go and these were dynamite on the trout!! Trout seemed to love them, didn’t even hit the bottom and you were on every drop. Was bloody good fun. Back to the island where we didn’t have to fillet for once with was bloody good haha. A few of the island people were stoked to see Mud Crabs so after a few pics they were cleaned and cooked up. Between the 12 of us we were eating the muddies for ages getting every last bit of meat, they were absolutely delish!!! Highlight of the trip for me!!

Day 11:

Pretty much the last fishing day of the trip. All the boats talked about what they needed to finish off their bag limits and went out accordingly. Some trolling, some bottom bashing. We wanted a few reds, trout, pretty much anything red to finish out bag off. Conditions were pretty terrible where we went. We had plans on going out and casting near the far islands for GT’s but didn’t even make it the wind turned that bad, decided to head back towards the island and fish a few spots we found on the way…… Wind was terrible but the next hour was the best bottom bashing we had had all trip. First drift got 3 Rankin, all went back. Second drift I hooked another massive saddletail going 740mm and the other guys getting a rankin each. Next drift one of the boys was on hard, great head shakes big runs and we all called it for a big red….. Saw it come up…. Right colour… Not the right height… Called it for a Chinaman… Up it came….. Absolute horse of a trout… This thing was massive and fat!! We bought him over board with high 5’s…. Trout ended up going 830mm. Was a big trout. Absolutely stoked we went around again but couldn’t get anything else besides the rankin, decided to call it early as the weather wasn’t getting any better and we needed a weigh in with the fillets.

To our surprise we ended up with 20kgs of red fish – (Reds, Trout, Saddle) And 10kgs of Rankin. Didn’t think we got that much red fish so was good to see. Got our 30 of Spanish and Cobia to top off the limit.

Day 12 and 13:

Pack up day and headed in from the island….. One of the deckies said the day before “Do we need to fuel up” I literally said “Naa if I have planned it correctly we should be going in on fumes so we have less weight for the trip home” hahahhaha couldn’t have planned it better……. As I came off the throttle at the boat ramp the pick up for the fuel is at the back of the fuel tank so as I came off the throttle the front of the boat went down and guess what… haha we ran out of fuel right at the boat ramp… Luckily one of the other boats were right up behind us so we were able to throw them a rope as they swung us around slightly to nudge up to the jetty…. Could have actually been bad as we were heading for the rocks….. but ended well in the end thank god. Basically what had happened is when we did fill up at the island a few days ago the boat wasn’t level as you fill up on the beach so I worked it out that we didn’t get an extra 20 – 30 litres in that we normally would if the boat was on a trailer…. Could have been worse but ended up all good in the end. Quick pack up, fillets in Engels and off to Carnarvon….. About an hour out of Carnarvon it bucketed down and we were swagging it hahaha. Luckily the caravan park had a games room shed that we all rolled our swags out. Good feed at the Carnarvon hotel and a few pints we were set for the trip home the next day. Pretty un eventful trip from Carnarvon home… Pretty much every floodway from Carnarvon to Wooramel had water in it so must have had a fair chunk of rain. Got home around 4pm that arvo.

 no pinkys... must all be enjoying the safety of cockburn sound? more likely you bastard recfishers have slaughtered them all!!!

12 month ban I say!!! 

anyway .. went out and got cpl nice dhueys, was able to get a 1st time boaty a 1st time dhuey... so good result. 

 Some decent whiting in 30M out of Bunno.

 Windy conditions this morning, but kept trying and found the squid.

 I was hoping to catch a few more KG's yesterday.

Oh well -not to worry!

Had a 3 hour window today between the gym and school pickup so smashed out to my honey hole and it was firing. I was working 2 rods in 23m and couldn't keep up bagging out in one long drift with some absolute belters. Shot to a spot for a sneaky couple of dhu drops but no cigar.

 Recently spent a week up in exmouth jumped on the new charter in town called exmouth fishing adventures awesome time with the lads. Spent a couple days lb fishing but man it's tough

Day 1 consisted of macky trolling in the morning a bit of reef fishing then trolling for a marlin on the way to some deep dropping. Hooked up a big black on the way out that the sister fought for a while but dropped hooks. The deep dropping was unreal 3 rubies and 2 20 odd kilo 8 bar cod. 

Day 2 was much windier so stayed inshore for the first half of the day trolling up 3 Mack's and getting a nice mixed bag on the reef. Unfortuantly the 10kg demersal fillet limit was nearing so decided to troll for a marling again. Again didn't take long before it was my turn at my first marlin. Got a smaller more manageable black but spat hooks just as we were getting the wind on onto the reel. In summary was an awesome 2 Days on the boat and these boys know what they are doing

Here's some of the pics

Took the kids out last night, was a bit sloppy so went inside the reef, 5mtrs water, first dhu 76cm then bout 20 mins later my daughter caught her first dhu at 53cm and then a 46cm skippy,

so good to get a good fish on board and for my daughter to get a decent fish.

Long time member, and long time (3 years+) between trolling or posting on here.....

I've been dhu fishing off Rockingham and Mandurah only a handful of times over the last 6 months, but the dhus have been very consistent in size and numbers. Can't seem to miss! Different spots and areas, All double figured weights. Even the missus has had a ball on a few large specimens.
There's been a heap more large sizes prior to these last 6 months, but don't want photo clog the page up....

Every fish caught on baited jigs (some not even baited, is that jigging? Lol), particularly the vexed bottom meats. They work exceptionally on the silver dollar. Great fun on 30lb gear! I personally haven't used anything else targeting them the last 3 years.

I will be giving the ole dhu fishing a rest for a while, and have some fun manual jigging for deeper critters in 300-500m. 

Thought I'd share some photos of a recent trip out of Denham. With a real emphasis on light tackle sportsfishing, especially in the shallows, we did dedicate one day to just putting 3 trout in the esky. Younger brother ended up with a pigeon pair of 80cm trout, which was probably the highlight of the trip. Notable mention to Ben who landed an absolute cracker longtail in just 1m of water.

Thought Id give some feedback.......

So I posted on here a week or so ago asking Karratha locals for info on where to get mud crabs in Karratha as I was up there for 3 days for work and had an afternoon free. Thanks heaps to Dodgey (Jon) on here he responded that I could borrow his tinny and point me in the right direction on where to go. Blown away by the generosity I grabbed his number and gave him a buzz when I was up there. Lent me his boat, nets and gave me the direction / info on where to go. Headed around his house to pick up his boat as he wasnt in town and had a yarn to his young bloke who obviously loves fishing too. Hooked up the boat, did exactly what he said and scored ourselves 7 Mud crab in a few hours. 

Thought id post this story on here as this is exactly what this forum is about. I have been a member for almost 10 years and constantly come here for info, guidence and a good read rather than going on SookBook. This is what this forum is about, not bickering and having a go at people because your opinion doesnt coincide with theirs.... Help fisho's out, pay it forward. I know I will be doing exactly that!!

Once again thanks heaps Jon. Really appreciate it

Cheers

Piggy

Headed up to a gutter i havent fished in years for few days to sit back with me mate me dog an  bottles of vodka an hope to pull a big slab out 

Took my oldest and his mate and his Dad out today. We punched out of Mindarie at 7am to 42m and found a nice showing on some ground I have marked. First drift we hooked two nice pinks and a Blackarse  and second drift my boy got to christen his NS Explorer in style.

I got railed on the next drift by a suspected monster pink. Later found out Dad had loosened the drag on my rod after the last fish and I had to start thumbing the spool.. something about not compressing the drag in storage he reckons....

We decided to head out further in search of a dhu but only managed undersized models proving an unsuccessful change in tactic for another 5hrs until we called it quit.

Took the Mrs out for a fish today and the challenge was to take no bait and try get a feed. Got some really nice squid near Little Island and shot out deeper to use some tentacles to get a feed of whiting. Love it when a plan comes together!

 looking through old photos and came across this one from up north. one of our better days.

Headed out of the Cut with the old boy and he was groaning 3 Mile into a 12 Mile journey with a good swell and a SEer but it was worth it. Outfished Dad but I've still given him FOTD for his KG.

Thanks to Ash for putting me in the right area Xmas before last and it was the first time I've been able to head offshore since then with the olds renting their house out for 18 months

 Despite hitting the water before 5 this morning my usually reliable snapper spot filed to produce.  Did get this fish which was certainly a pb for me y

 With the weather looking amazing decided on a quick 2 night trip to Abrolhos. Unfortunately this time we couldnt use the jetty we normally stay at so we had to camp on the boat. I way prefer to camp on the jetty, so much better being able to get off the the boat after being on it all day.

Anyway first day we headed over, did a bit of trolling and bottom bouncing along the way. Was pretty slow with only 1 tuna landed. Headed to the back of the island where we have done well spearing on a few bombies before. Was actually pretty quiet, only landing 1 jumbo cray and a couple of trout and baldies. Headed from the back of the island to the moorings and on the way happened to hit a rock that wasnt on the map. Bent the shit out of the prop and broke off hal of the skeg. I am usually so careful looking out, following the map, having spotters up the front. We have done this trip 6 or 7 times in the same area. All on board were fine, just my pride as hurt. Continued plotting along to the mooring to check the damage over a couple of beers.

That night met up with another boat that met us over there, a few rums and a few laughs was a good night. Putting a bit of a fish frame onto a hook and tossing it over board was fun, some of the sharks on those moorings are unstopable, would love to see how big they are. 

Second day we decided to do a bit of a run around and test the prop / gearbox. Was pretty good until you got into high revs and high torque and then it started vibrating. But it wasnt going to break down so we were alright. We headed out the back of the island again but to the north end. Jumped in on numerous bombies around the joint and managed to get our bag of trout and baldies as well as 17 crays. Some of the big riveria type boats worth millions are crazy that are getting over to the abrolhos these days, the tender boat on one of them was bigger than my 7m plate ally.

Once again headed back to the mooring, met up with the other boat for a cook up and laughs.

Last day we headed to a couple of bombies we knew had big baldies on. First spot we dropped anchor and looked over the side and had a baldie sitting there looking up at us. I said to one of the deckies have a look at this guy. No joke it was like he was almost turning on his side to look up at us, was pretty awesome to see actually. Jumped in and got a few baldies and then decided to start trolling / filleting and heading back to Gero. On the way out we decided to troll some deep divers for trout. Trout love the deep divers and we had about 4-5 hook ups with 2 decent fish landed. Was a highlight of the trip for me.

Got back to Gero and got a feed of dirty bird for the trip home... Got home around 7pm that night to find somewhere on the way one of my windows had been hit with something and shattered, must have been a very wayward rock to hit the boat on the side like that. Ahh well just another thing for the insurance company.

All up was a bloody good 3 days apart from the mishaps. 270 litres of fuel used on the boat, 2 tanks of fuel in the 200 series and alot of great memories. Well worth it

Next up Mackeral Islands!!! Cant bloody wait!!!

Cheers

My last 5 trips out have been terrible and even my whiting spot has been shite.

Tried a different tact today and pushed out of Ocean Reef. Slow bite but managed a nice baldy and dropped a suspected much heavier model. Plus an unfortunate dhu that came up with a cuttlefish attached to its brain.

Bite time was a small window before lunch and it shut down hard after 12. I then covered a heap of ground and marked up some spots out to the 36m mark. The weather was so mint I was marking ground at 32knots as seen below so hopefully they'll yield next trip.

Finally......

After doing alot of work on my boat including re-wiring it all, changing the layout of the gunnels, painting, installing seadeck flooring and alot more (Ive posted a few of these improvements in the Boating/ info forum) a month or so ago I finally go the chance to actually use the boat haha

Did an overnight trip, if you have been there you will know where Im beach launching from. The Biggest dhu was 16kgs smallest was 8kgs. Ended up with our 2 dhu, 4 baldies and 2 massive black ass.

Second day went out for a quick morning fish to try get a quick bag before heading home. Only managed 1 dhu around the 8kg mark with 3 baldies, 2 snapper and 2 black ass. Retrieved the boat before midday and headed home.

Ive been lucky enough that Ive struck up a bit of a friendship with one of the guys at Mackdog Tackle and I have been buying the hybrid "Underdog" jigs off them. They are similar to alot of the bottom meat hybrid jigs that everyone has been selling but instead of just being bought off Alibaba or Aliexpress these are hand made by the bloke so the quality of them are so much better than the alibaba crap where the hooks bend. I bought a heap off them and paid I think $10 each or something which is about half the price of the other stuff... Scored a free fishing shirt because I spent about $500 hahaha. Everyone on the boat used them and had zero issues catching everything from the Dhuies to huge Sambos and even a massive tiger shark that decided to eat one of the sambos. So if your looking for a decent hybrid jig thats locally made and supporting local business I highly recommend them.

The boat was amazing. Could not believe the difference the changes I made to the boat made fishing in the boat so much easier. Seemed like there was alot more room to fish and the flooring on your feet was brilliant.. I had rubber on there before and after a few hours your feet started hurting haha.

So this year we have an Abrolhos trip planned and for our big annual trip later in the year we decided that we are going to go back to Mackeral Islands. Really looking forward to both trips and will post a bit of a write up once the trips are done!

Cheers 

Happy fishin!

Had a ball . One in picture went 1.320 up there . I had 2 on separate rods . Ones attacking them where almost double . 200 meters of line . Couldn’t stop them x3 it happened . spoiled me got to last bit ( full lock) up there with my pb I think . 125 mm width on tube . 15 Squid 12.5 kilo . 10 over the kilo mark . I bent 60 percent off prongs on one jig . ( not weed) 1 cent peice suckers on jigs . Spew . I’ve kept big one in fridge for my andy . ( doesn’t believe me ). Only reason I went in area there was 6 boats where I normally go .